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Justin T November 14th, 2007 6:39 PM

Attacks and Speed
 
I'm starting to see it, but maybe it's just me. Does just Attack or Sp. Atk and seem to be above the rest in stats to care about?

Azonic November 14th, 2007 6:41 PM

It depends on which pokemon you're talking about.

Umbreon's EV spread scraps the offenses for better defensives. But Weavile on the other hand wants the offensive and speed power.

Justin T November 14th, 2007 6:43 PM

Ok don't think about "wall pokemon".

shining-Celebi November 14th, 2007 6:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin T (Post 3081801)
Ok don't think about "wall pokemon".

???

And yes it depends on the pokemon.
Why spend 252 EVs on a Weavile's defence if it will still take a good dent from common physical moves?

Anti November 14th, 2007 6:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin T (Post 3081801)
Ok don't think about "wall pokemon".

lol

You won't be winning any battles against a good player without walls. There are many other stats to worry about besides attack and speed, HP is a good start.

Justin T November 14th, 2007 7:00 PM

But I see so much attack and speed power!!! It's like most people here don't even care about walls.

flamehaze94 November 14th, 2007 7:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin T (Post 3081827)
But I see so much attack and speed power!!! It's like most people here don't even care about walls.

I lol'd at that statement. Stall teams are the most common teams out there.

True fact: HP is the most important.

Iceman3k November 14th, 2007 7:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin T (Post 3081827)
But I see so much attack and speed power!!! It's like most people here don't even care about walls.

Only the inexperienced don't care much about walls. A lot of us here actually have at least 2 walls on our teams.

Justin T November 14th, 2007 8:01 PM

Oh I do believe walls are important. I use some myself. But even when it's ev vs. ev the attack strong and speedy just seem to take out almost anything.

Arcknight316 November 14th, 2007 8:10 PM

Neither Walls or Sweepers are better; they have different purposes. Often with low power, Walls can't OHKO Sweepers, unless it's SE. And, because of Walls' high Defenses, Sweepers can't OHKO Walls, unless it's SE.

Justin T November 14th, 2007 8:37 PM

Well So far I only battle sweepers with high speed. It seems without walls whoever goes first has the floor and there attack will just wipe you out even if your defense can hold up.

flamehaze94 November 14th, 2007 8:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin T (Post 3082029)
Well So far I only battle sweepers with high speed. It seems without walls whoever goes first has the floor and there attack will just wipe you out even if your defense can hold up.

That's not the best logic >_>

Not every sweeper is fast. Look at Tyranitar, the CB set is a monster. Speed won't matter if nothing can safely switch in.

And not all teams need walls, the best thing a team can have is synergy. You can have a bushel of sweepers and still win, if they have synergy.

HP again, is the most important.

Justin T November 14th, 2007 8:50 PM

Would you mind explaining the synergy of pokemon?

Arcknight316 November 14th, 2007 9:12 PM

nvm it was pointless filler

Justin T November 15th, 2007 8:25 AM

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Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3082109)
if you play that way, id rly like to battle u and get my first win here on PC

Hey what's that supposed to mean:cross-eye. I do pretty alright so don't think I'm all weak

sims796 November 15th, 2007 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3082109)
if you play that way, id rly like to battle u and get my first win here on PC

That was useless.

Synergy, or Poke co-operation. How well your team works together, flows together. Does your team fit well? Or do you have 4x weakness to Ice that you can't handle? Can some members take blows others can't? Can one poke throw a punch for the other? Can a poke cover the weaknesses for another?

These are a few of the questions you must ask yourself for team synergy.

Anti November 15th, 2007 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3082109)
if you play that way, id rly like to battle u and get my first win here on PC

That was really...contradictory, perhaps.

You've obviously battling n00bs, or you just don't know what walls are. It's as simple as that. both are important, but it depends on the kind of team you're running. Stall teams tnd to have more defense than you raverage team, for example.

sims796 November 15th, 2007 1:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3083155)
That was really...contradictory, perhaps.

You've obviously battling n00bs, or you just don't know what walls are. It's as simple as that. both are important, but it depends on the kind of team you're running. Stall teams tnd to have more defense than you raverage team, for example.

Regardless, even Stall teams has a way to cause pain.

Faceless* November 15th, 2007 2:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3083371)
Regardless, even Stall teams has a way to cause pain.


Yeah Richard, LOOK WHAT YOU DID!!


Without walls, after you send your sweeper out, you can't switch the sweeper out since most sweepers have low Defenses.

Anti November 15th, 2007 3:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3083371)
Regardless, even Stall teams has a way to cause pain.

Yeah, which proves even very defensive or offensive teams still need a bit of balance, yes?

sims796 November 15th, 2007 3:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3083639)
Yeah, which proves even very defensive or offensive teams still need a bit of balance, yes?

Its impossible to have a team of all sweepers or walls & hope to win. As you said, balance.

Justin T November 15th, 2007 4:51 PM

Then why do all those darn guys on the stadium have hardly any walls and still do great. You know what I'll just post my team. Sorry for the trouble you guys.

Faceless* November 15th, 2007 4:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin T (Post 3084088)
Then why do all those darn guys on the stadium have hardly any walls and still do great. You know what I'll just post my team. Sorry for the trouble you guys.

??? Computer Players? Lol

J-Rad November 15th, 2007 5:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin T (Post 3081938)
Oh I do believe walls are important. I use some myself. But even when it's ev vs. ev the attack strong and speedy just seem to take out almost anything.

lol
1) skarm lols at weavile an dmost other pysical attacks ,were's ur power now?
2) Bliss lols at every specail attacker
this is just 2 examples, out of many more were daring sweepers are destroyed by walls they can't tear through janything that is prepared for them...

Anti November 15th, 2007 6:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin T (Post 3084088)
Then why do all those darn guys on the stadium have hardly any walls and still do great.

ALL INGAME OPPONENTS SUCK. that is all.

You know what I'll just post my team. Sorry for the trouble you guys.

Really, saying walls aren't important is just downright lol. you HAVE to have walls, unless you like to lose.


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