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Lonely Nature on Vire. Naive is just..
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Definately looking better than your first team. Looks to be solid. Taking away the Slowking also helps with your Electivire weakness, and Tyranitar should be able to KO it, as long as it has a Sub in place when Vire is switched in etc. Regards, ~M51 |
I appreciate the advice about slowking, but i really need a special tank/wall. Why does a wall have to be fast? Skarm can take the physical ones. I also like more solid reliable movesets. Not at all saying yours is bad, it just requires everything to be precise. This is a Wifi team, so i'm not too keen to have to do serious IV breeding.
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I never stated that a wall had to be fast, I just said that Slowking's services are better suited to a Trick Room team. I just gave you a set that has worked extrememly well for me, in regards to the Tyranitar. If you don't like it, fine, but I never once said anything about speed... ?_?
~M51 |
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Can anyone suggest any other special wall/tank other than Blissey/snorlax? I like the idea of Slowking. One idea i was discussing with my friend the other day is that I could use a really slow pokemon to help when versing trick room teams. Oh and Itachi, could you please explain your reasoning behind the Natures on Vire? Just incase it seems otherwse, i do appreciate all of your help. I never intend to offend anyone. I may not have, but looking back, some of my posts seem to be a little blunt. ~Archer~ |
You do remember that Rock types get a really big boost in Sp. Def when a Sand Storm is in play? Mine survived 3 Ice Beams from a Choice Specs Porygon-Z when it was asleep....lol
That is good. ~M51 |
Forgot the 1.5x Boost yes. One main concern is that it will be a pain to breed for one with a 31 HP IV. Will try on Shoddy but i just realised that sandstorm stuffs up my Gengar real bad. (Focus Sash, which I'm not changing)
Still, can you suggest any other walls/tanks? |
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[email protected] Clay Calm Serene Grace 252 HP, 252 Sp, Def, 6 Sp. Atk Light Screen Air Slash/Tri Attack Counter Wish or [email protected] Calm Serene Grace 252 HP, 252 Sp. Def, 6 Sp. Atk Thunder Wave/Body Slam Seismic Toss/Air Slash Encore Wish/Roost/Softboiled ~M51 |
As for a special wall Slowking, here's a set that I came up with, that I'm breeding for right now, in fact.
Slowking (♂) @ ??? Ability: Own Tempo EVs: 252 HP/58 Def/200 SDef Sassy nature (+SDef, -Spd) - Calm Mind - Thunder Wave - Surf - Slack Off I'm not sure about the item yet, because I did go for the Chesto/Rest combination, but Loquacity reminded me that Slack Off was possible. |
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EDIT: Can you tell me why you used that particular EV spread? Oh, and it shoud have lefties. |
Hmmm... You should take out maybe Slack Off, You don't really need it, it's a tank after all, and you have lefties backing you up, but try replacing it with either pyshic or Grass Knot
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I chose this spread because (this was tested on Shoddy, so we're assuming Max IVs) it tops his defence up to 210, which will lead him to take a moderately powerful physical hit with his high HP. Those EVs could of course go into Sp. Atk.
Though, I'd stick with CM and Slack Off. I feel that walls function better with a recovery move, and not only does CM make it's job better by boosting Sp. Def, it also becomes a potent late-game sweeper with his decent Sp. Atk stat. If this job is to be made easier, replace Thunder Wave with Grass Knot/another SP. Atk move. |
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Slowking @ Lefties Sassy | 252 HP / 72 Def / 184 SDef ~Slack Off ~Calm Mind ~Surf/Ice Beam (beam is for specsmence or should i go Stab?) ~Grass Knot. What can't it handle? |
It's all down to personal preference, I'd say. If you're gonna be using him in the OU tier, you're probably gonna be seeing Garchomp/Salamence alot. But then, you'd get walled by Steel types. So in the end, it's all down to you.
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Ice Beam and Grass Knot sounds nice.
Any other suggestions? EDIT: Oh and Itachi, could you please explain your reasoning behind the Natures on Vire? |
Id say Ice beam, just too get rid of those dragon types, and some annoying nubers
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OK. I'm about to build this team, but three more things need looking into.
1) Infernapes EVs 2) I don't like Donphans Moveset. Somehting is wrong... 3) Is there any alternative to skarm? its boring. |
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Did you see this? Also, if you want a change on Skarm, try this then: [email protected]/Enigma Berry Impish 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk Ice Fang Earthquake Stealth Rock Slack Off A true beast. ;) ~M51 |
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~As much as i like that Hippowdon moveset, i can't use it for two reasons. ----1) Its far to similar to my Donphan ----2) Sandstream will kill my Gengars strategy with focus sash. ~So are there any other good physical walls? |
I forgot about your Donphan...lol
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Just a few questions about that last rate.
~Couldnt Vire do with a speed boost? ~Umbreon is nice, but why the speed evs? I would be inclined to make it Relaxed (-Spd +Def) so you can switch after the attack. ~Surf/Ice beam is resisted by starmie, which is a common physical sweeper. I was thinking, Ice beam/Shadow ball covers almost all threats. Gengar - Shadow Ball Azelf - Shadow Ball Alakazam - Shadow Ball Starmie - Shadow Ball Specsmence - Ice Beam Yanmega - Ice Beam Can you suggest any more spec sweepers it needs to hit? ~Lastly, something seems wrong with Donphans moveset. Could you please look over that again? Thanks for your help. |
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You had Grass Knot, so I gave you other options for that.... :P:P What do you mean with the Umbreon statement? I agree it should probably be Impish with that set, but I gave it speed EV's to outspeed some of the lower speed pokemon, so it is able to get in a Mean Look before the opponent can switch. Relaxed decreases this even more anyway. With your Counters, I know I run my Yanmega with Focus Sash (And before you scream SR weak, yes I know...lol) With Focus Sash, Yanmega would be able to take out Slowking anyway, as long as Slowking didn't have any CM's up it backside...lol I run my Donphan like this: [email protected] Impish 252 Atk, 220 Def, 36 Atk - (Atk EV's to 2HKO no HP/Def EV Garchomp) Ice Shard Earthquake Stealth Rock Roar I was thinking of Rapid Spin, but I tried with Roar, and it actually worked really well. Regards, ~M51 |
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All you need is one Motor Drive boost on Electivire, and it's got that "Scarf" support without being locked into one move Normally you would run Naive on Electivire for Timid Porygon-Z, but Hasty is always better since Electivire can survive Surfs and Ice Beams For my opinion, however, I would just run Lonely |
Thankyou Name. :) (I wasn't aware of the stats, but Lonely is best in this case)
~M51 |
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