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Archer December 13th, 2007 5:41 PM

:-) Name is back!
Ok for Lonely on Vire.
I agree with what you about the Umbreon speed thing. I'm just curious as which pokemon you intend to outspeed. I know it outdoes a 6 spd ev skarm at 48. I like it, i just want to adjust the EVs.

I'm not too sure about the lack of Rapid spin on Donphan. But i really need a Phazer. Hows this:
Donphan @ Lefties
Impish | 252 HP / 216 Def / 40 Atk
~EQ
~Stone Edge/RockSlide/Roar
~Rapid Spin
~Ice Shard

I just remembered He can learn Rock Polish, lol
EDIT:Yanmegas Bug buzz will only do 52-60% damage if it is modest and max SAtk EVs. Even then, if you do 52% then its a 3HKO due to Lefties. If Slowking had a CM or two, then its a whole different story.
~Archer~

Ársa December 13th, 2007 5:51 PM

No need for rock Polish, especially on the roar set, cause roar always goes last.

[email protected]
Impish
252 HP, 220 Def, 36 Atk

Earthquake
Roar
Ice Shard
Rapid Spin

Don't give it SE / RS, the flying types are taken care of with Ice Shard, and Fire Types with Earthquake. (Anything else you can roar away, or switch out) Ice Shard is the Priority Move you need. Those EV's are all you need. 36 is the only atk EV's you need, as 40 won't do anything different. To guarantee a 2HKO on Garchomp, you will need something like 64 I think....

~M51

Faceless* December 13th, 2007 5:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by archer (Post 3167503)
:-) Name is back!
Ok for Lonely on Vire.
I agree with what you about the Umbreon speed thing. I'm just curious as which pokemon you intend to outspeed. I know it outdoes a 6 spd ev skarm at 48. I like it, i just want to adjust the EVs.

I'm not too sure about the lack of Rapid spin on Donphan. But i really need a Phazer. Hows this:
Donphan @ Lefties
Impish | 252 HP / 216 Def / 40 Atk
~EQ
~Stone Edge/RockSlide/Roar
~Rapid Spin
~Ice Shard

I just remembered He can learn Rock Polish, lol

(I'm Going to edit this after i do some damage calcs)

~Archer~

Ah.. you're my reminder for the Tournament =D

You could also have Rest/Stealth Rock in place of the bolded area

Ársa December 13th, 2007 5:59 PM

True, but you would want to rest on a Physical Sweeper, obviously....lol.

Either that, or you can have a Cleric to sort it out for you. Is Sleep Talk an Option then?

~M51

Archer December 13th, 2007 6:07 PM

@Mullac - Yanmegas Bug buzz will only do 52-60% damage if it is modest and max SAtk EVs. Even then, if you do 52% then its a 3HKO due to Lefties. If Slowking had a CM or two, then its a whole different story.

I only said Rock Polish as a joke. The Extra Atk EVs were to compensate for IV differences, as this is a Wifi team.

OFFTOPIC: Name, I have to talk to you about the Tourney. (I'll send you a PM)

Ársa December 13th, 2007 6:09 PM

As I was giving a Yanmega example as mine, here it is:

[email protected] Sash
Modest
252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spd, 6 Sp. Def
31 IV's Sp. Atk, Spd

Air Slash
HP Ice
Protect
Bug Buzz

Also, as I stated, with the CM increase, it would no longer be a problem... :)

~M51

Archer December 13th, 2007 6:33 PM

What do you mean, mullac, about the IVs.

Oh and no i dont want a STalking Donphan.

Ársa December 13th, 2007 6:35 PM

I was just showing my example of the Yanmega. Anyway, this isn't gonna go anywhere. What are your changes?

~M51

Archer December 13th, 2007 8:00 PM

~First Post Updated~
See the changes and tell me if theres any more problems.

Ársa December 13th, 2007 8:07 PM

I like it, but you're seriously Vire Weak. (You'll wanna get Vire on the switch with your Donphan, cause only Gengar survives without a SE Hit.)

~M51

Archer December 13th, 2007 8:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mullac51 (Post 3167944)
I like it, but you're seriously Vire Weak. (You'll wanna get Vire on the switch with your Donphan, cause only Gengar survives without a SE Hit.)

~M51

My original plan was to suck up its Tbolt with my Vire.

Ársa December 13th, 2007 8:39 PM

Then you're gonna wanna.

A. Not show your Vire until you see theirs.
B. Predict well their T-bolt/punch.

Otherwise, game over.

P.S. I believe that was the original thinking behind Naive, now that I think wasn't it? To outspeed the Vire without Motor Drive?

~M51

Archer December 13th, 2007 8:47 PM

Yes.

Damn, Vires Cross Chop gets 56 % on Umby. Just over half.

Ársa December 13th, 2007 8:49 PM

Again, here is where hippowdon would come in handy. You could change Gengar to a Specsgar.

[email protected] Specs
Timid
252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball
HP Ice
Focus Blast / Energy Ball

~M51

Archer December 16th, 2007 7:23 PM

How does Hippowdon do the job any better than donphan?

Darkblade December 17th, 2007 4:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by archer (Post 3176252)
How does Hippowdon do the job any better than donphan?

If donpan is being used as a spinner, then no, Hiipowdon isn't.

If you need a Physical wall, why not Tangrowth

Anti December 17th, 2007 6:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by archer (Post 3176252)
How does Hippowdon do the job any better than donphan?

Both say hi to Vire :P

I prefer Donphan, but both work pretty well. I hate killing off my team with sandstorm to be honest though.

Archer December 17th, 2007 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3178199)
Both say hi to Vire :P

I prefer Donphan, but both work pretty well. I hate killing off my team with sandstorm to be honest though.

Yeah, sandstorm is one of the reasons i chose donphan.

Tangrowth sounds nice for replacing Umbreon, but i was considering using Miltank, purely for the Heal Bell support, as my team is weak to Status Inducers. (Twave is nasty unless i predict it and switch in Vire)

Darkblade December 21st, 2007 2:14 PM

Sandstorm is a bit of a bugger to use in a non sandstorm team, so I suggest not to use it, and yeah, I'd go with Miltank for heal bell

Archer December 21st, 2007 2:28 PM

So Miltank (Heal Bell) or Tangrowth?(Knock off)

Anti December 21st, 2007 3:22 PM

Miltank; knock off is nice, but heal bell is much more mandatory. Seriously, once your physical sweep is hit with WoW you've lost if that's your only blissey counter.

Archer December 22nd, 2007 2:04 AM

K Thanks. I already have the following, so what do you think?

Miltank @ Lefties (Scrappy)
Impish | 252 HP / 200 Def / 52 Spd
~Coffee Drink
~Heal Bell
~EQ
~Body Slam

EDIT: Looking back, the Attacks EVs i was given for donphan to 2HKO Garchomp with Ice Shard don't actually ensure it. You need almost max Atk for it. Unless of course its a hasty Chomp. Then you can do it with 80 Evs.


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