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GeneralGuy November 18th, 2007 4:46 AM

Sweeper Team v1.0
 
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Porygon - Z @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Tri Attack
- Ice Beam
- Dark Pulse
- Thunderbolt

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Electivire @ Muscle Band
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Ice Punch
- Thunderpunch
- Earthquake
- Cross Chop

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Swellow @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- U Turn
- Facade
- Aerial Ace
- Protect

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Steelix @ Leftovers
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Double Edge
- Iron Tail
- Crunch
- Stone Edge

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Salamence @ Yache Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Fire Fang/Fire Blast
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance

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Rhyperior @ Leftovers
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Sword Dance
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Megahorn

Sora_8920 November 18th, 2007 5:08 AM

I see lack of Rapid Spinner.

Rapid Spin >>> Psychic.

Porygon-Z (M) @ Choice Specs / Scarf
Trait: Download
EV's: 6HP/252SPATK/252SPD
Modest / Timid Nature
- Tri Attack
- Thunderbolt / Hidden Power Fighting
- Ice Beam
- Dark Pulse.

Lonely is another option for Electrivire. Expert Belt is another option as well. EV Spread: 252 Atk / 176 Spd / 80 SpA Thunderrbolt is another option for the 2nd slot.

Swellow (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Guts
EV's: 252 Speed / 252 Atk / 4 SpDef
Jolly / Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Facade
- Pursuit / Return / Quick Attack
- U-turn / Return / Quick Attack.

Tyranitar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sandstream
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Dark Pulse
- Thunderbolt
- Substitute
- Focus Punch. Boah.

Or,

Tyranitar (M) @ Leftovers / Life Orb
Trait: Sandstream
EV's: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge / Taunt.

Salamence (M) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Intimidate
EV's: 4hp/252spatk/252spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hydro Pump
- Flamethrower
- Draco Meteor
- Dragon Pulse. Specsmence

Or,

Salamence (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Intimidate
EV's: 4hp/252atk/252spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Flamethrower
- Stone Edge/Rock Slide. Cbmence.

Salamence (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Intimidate
EV's: 120atk/252spa/136spd
Mild/Rash Nature
- Brick Break
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Dragon Claw/Crunch. MixMence...

GeneralGuy November 18th, 2007 5:10 AM

Call me stupid, but what does Rapid Spin do?

airconditioning November 18th, 2007 5:11 AM

It goes without saying that a team of all sweepers will fail. An enemy will switch in a wall, forcing you to switch, then hammering whichever frail sweeper you need to send in. A team needs Pokemon that can take a hit. Otherwise you'll get walled and raped. However, since I'm assuming this is a novelty team of some sort, I may as well help.

-Dragonite pulls off DD+Damage much better than Salamence. Use him for that role instead. If you want to keep Salamence, give him the Specmence set.
-Porygon-Z without Scarf wants Timid Nature. Give him LO over Focus Sash, as Stealth Rock and Spikes ruin that.
-Give Starmie a bulkier EV spread, as well as Recover. Like I said, you need Pokemon that can take a hit. Starmie's hardly the best candidate for this, but since you already have her, you may as well take care of her decent defenses.

EDIT: Rapid Spin is a 20 BP Normal type move. It clears your side of the field of Spikes, Toxic Spikes, and Stealth Rock. Starmie can learn Rapid Spin, by the way.

GeneralGuy November 18th, 2007 5:14 AM

Porygon - Z @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Tri Attack
- Ice Beam
- Dark Pulse
- Thunderbolt

Sora_8920 November 18th, 2007 5:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3092825)
Call me stupid, but what does Rapid Spin do?

Autamatically get's rid of Skarmbliss and all other Ou's. Get's rid of Spikes, and moves like Wrap, Bind, Leech Seed. I wouldn't worry about Wrap and Bind, though.

airconditioning November 18th, 2007 5:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3092837)
Porygon - Z @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Tri Attack
- Ice Beam
- Dark Pulse
- Thunderbolt

I love this guy. Makes one hell of a lead.

EDIT: RS gets rid of Leech Seed? This is news to me.

Sora_8920 November 18th, 2007 5:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3092845)
I love this guy. Makes one hell of a lead.

EDIT: RS gets rid of Leech Seed? This is news to me.

Yeah. Serebii says so......

GeneralGuy November 18th, 2007 5:21 AM

Should I replace Yache Berry with Focus Sash? If Salamence gets hit with an ice attack, he will be more likely to survive and I'll pull off Dragon Dance.

Syaoran November 18th, 2007 5:22 AM

EDIT: This reply was directly at your first post, before I got to see the changes.


A sweeper team without a choice scarfer? It REALLY needs one if you're planning on dealing high damage and quickly. Also, you said it yourself - Bronzong can wall you, set up stealth rock and even put one of your sweepers to sleep, which may cost you the battle. Infernape says hi ^_^

Furthermore, I wouldn't lead with Electivire (going by the order you posted), mainly because it needs to be lured in and make your opponent wish he didn't use an electric attack. Gyarados works extremely well with Electivire, and would be a great starter in general. Don't forget Dugtrio, which is why you would wanna start usually with a flying type / levitator / Choice Scarfer / fast U-turner.

So now you have 2 pokemon to consider - Gyarados and Infernape.

PorygonZ with Choice Scarf is usually better then the focus sasher, namely for the common weather teams that make it useless.

Muscle Band on Tyranitar? the 10% boost won't do much, you'd be better with Expert Belt of Life Orb. Rock Polish Tyranitar is also not a good idea, especially on a sweeper team, since it will invite other choice scarfers (like Garchomp) and without speed EVs it's even more useless - even Infernape will outspeed it and easily 1HKO with Close Combat. Even if you put speed EVs in Tyranitar, then it won't have 252 EVs in defence and will be extremely hard to switch in on other attacks, I doubt it will even get the chance to attack.

So basically I'm saying Tyranitar doesn't fit in this team, not to mention is will also negate the focus sash on your PorygonZ, lol.

Overall suggestions:

Electivire @ Expert Belt
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Ice Punch
- Thunderbolt
- Earthquake
- Cross Chop


Swellow @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Quick Attack
- Facade
- Brave Bird
- Pursuit

(it doesn't want Protect if it's not leading your team)

Hope I helped.

GeneralGuy November 18th, 2007 5:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syaoran (Post 3092864)
EDIT: This reply was directly at your first post, before I got to see the changes.


A sweeper team without a choice scarfer? It REALLY needs one if you're planning on dealing high damage and quickly. Also, you said it yourself - Bronzong can wall you, set up stealth rock and even put one of your sweepers to sleep, which may cost you the battle. Infernape says hi ^_^

Furthermore, I wouldn't lead with Electivire (going by the order you posted), mainly because it needs to be lured in and make your opponent wish he didn't use an electric attack. Gyarados works extremely well with Electivire, and would be a grear starter in general. Don't forget Dugtrio, which is why you would wanna start usually with a flying type / levitator / Choice Scarfer / fast U-turner.

So now you have 2 pokemon to consider - Gyarados and Infernape.

PorygonZ with Choice Scarf is usually better then the focus sasher, namely for the common weather teams that make it useless.

Muscle Band on Tyranitar? the 10% boost won't do much, you'd be better with Expert Belt of Life Orb. Rock Polish Tyranitar is also not a good idea, especially on a sweeper team, since it will invite other choice scarfers (like Garchomp) and without speed EVs it's even more useless - even Infernape will outspeed it and easily 1HKO with Close Combat. Even if you put speed EVs in Tyranitar, then it won't have 252 EVs in defence and will be extremely hard to switch in on other attacks, I doubt it will even get the change to attack.

So basically I'm saying Tyranitar doesn't fit in this team, not to mention is will also negate the focus sash on your PorygonZ, lol.

Overall suggestions:

Electivire @ Expert Belt
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Ice Punch
- Thunderbolt
- Earthquake
- Cross Chop


Swellow @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Quick Attack
- Facade
- Brave Bird
- Pursuit

(it doesn't want Protect if it's not leading your team)

Hope I helped.

Actually, Swellow needs Protect for Toxic Orb to set up with Guts, giving him about 400 in Attack and doubling Facade's power. I can take a Palkia out in about one or two hits with him.

I might replace Quick Attack though and replace it with U Turn.

airconditioning November 18th, 2007 5:28 AM

No, Yache Berry is much better. Like I said, SR and Spikes (well, in Salamence's case, only SR) ruin Focus Sashes. But really, Dragonite pulls off Salamence's set much better.

[email protected] Yache Berry
Jolly
252 Atk/ 228 Spd/ 30 HP
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage/ Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Fire Punch

With those EVs, he can outrun a Scarfed neutral-natured Base 90 (like Porygon-Z). Remember, this guy's a late game sweeper, use him when much of the opponents walls are either worn down or defeated.

EDIT: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Gamerman/Image%20Macros/079.png

By the way, you may want to consider a mixed sweeper for your team (Mixape?). You're gonna get walled like it's nothing, so you'll need a mixed sweeper to take them out. Actually, Chainchomp might help this team a bit...

Syaoran November 18th, 2007 5:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3092878)
Actually, Swellow needs Protect for Toxic Orb to set up with Guts, giving him about 400 in Attack and doubling Facade's power. I can take a Palkia out in about one or two hits with him.

I might replace Quick Attack though and replace it with U Turn.

The point of using him without protect is sending him on an attack like Earthquake or Shadow Ball, and then Flame Orb will activate automatically.

Iceman3k November 18th, 2007 5:51 AM

Y HELO THAR GENERALGUY
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3092774)
My team is obviously designed for physical & special sweeping. My only concern at this point is being outspeed by stronger sweepers and how to damage Metagross and Bronzong with Fire attacks.

Electivire @ Expert Belt
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Ice Punch
- Thunderpunch
- Earthquake
- Cross Chop
Expert Belt because.

Porygon - Z @ Focus Sash
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Tri Attack
- Ice Beam
- Dark Pulse / Thunderbolt
- Agility
Gyarados rapes this without Thunderbolt.

Swellow @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Quick Attack
- Facade
- Aerial Ace
- Protect
That's the same Swellow I gave you isn't it

Starmie @ Choice Specs.
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Ice Beam
Needs Grass Knot in case of Swampert.
...Wait a minute isn't that the Starmie I just sent you


Salamence @ Yache Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 88 HP / 216 Atk / 136 Spd / 60 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Fire Blast / Fire Fang
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake / Stone Edge
- Dragon Dance
Little bit of a Speed overkill. Only enough for 271, methinks.

Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Ability: Sandstorm
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Crunch
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Rock Polish
You're probably going to get lip from me, and 6 other people, saying that it's better to run Dragon Dance.

Totally threatened by enemy Tyranitar users.

GeneralGuy November 18th, 2007 5:55 AM

Thanks Iceman. Yes, the Starmie and Swellow you just traded me.

I may now give Tyranitar either Leftovers or a Chople Berry(fighting damage reduction). 252 HP might be more helpful than 252 Def, because Aura Sphere and Earth Power.

Iceman3k November 18th, 2007 5:58 AM

And that Swellow set Stays the same. Running Brave Bird w/Toxic Status is instant suicide. Somebody here mentioned it, so I thought I'd point it out

GeneralGuy November 18th, 2007 6:13 AM

Ok, I'm done for right now. I'll make the changes and battle some people over the PBR Wi-fi to see any improvements.

Azonic November 18th, 2007 6:26 AM

Mixed Sweeping Electivire is probably better than Physical Sweeping.

Electivire @ Expert Belt
Trait: Motor Drive
Nature: Naive
EVs: 252 Speed / 228 Attack / 80 SAttack
- Thunderbolt
- Icepunch
- Earthquake
- Cross Chop

GeneralGuy November 18th, 2007 6:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azonic (Post 3093084)
Mixed Sweeping Electivire is probably better than Physical Sweeping.

Electivire @ Expert Belt
Trait: Motor Drive
Nature: Naive
EVs: 252 Speed / 228 Attack / 80 SAttack
- Thunderbolt
- Icepunch
- Earthquake
- Cross Chop

Except Thunder Punch takes out Kyogre in one hit.

Iceman3k November 18th, 2007 6:30 AM

That's not really mixed, all it is is Electivire with Thunderbolt, which I run with this EV Spread: 232 Atk / 176 Spd / 100 SAtk
And you have WAY too much Speed on it.

If you want to talk mixed Electivire, here's a REAL mixed one:
Electivire @ Expert Belt
Ability: Motor Drive
EV: 116 Atk, 216 SAtk, 176 Spd
Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
-Hidden Power(ICE)
-Thunderbolt
-Fire Punch
-Cross Chop
This thing can be a proven beast.

EDIT: This comment was directed at Azonic.

Syaoran November 18th, 2007 6:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3093093)
Except Thunder Punch takes out Kyogre in one hit.

Kyogre is Uber... unless you'll be using this team in Ubers too O_o;

GeneralGuy November 18th, 2007 6:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syaoran (Post 3093103)
Kyogre is Uber... unless you'll be using this team in Ubers too O_o;

My team has to be designed to defeat Ubers too!

Azonic November 18th, 2007 6:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3k (Post 3093095)
That's not really mixed, all it is is Electivire with Thunderbolt, which I run with this EV Spread: 232 Atk / 176 Spd / 100 SAtk
And you have WAY too much Speed on it.

If you want to talk mixed Electivire, here's a REAL mixed one:
Electivire @ Expert Belt
Ability: Motor Drive
EV: 116 Atk, 216 SAtk, 176 Spd
Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
-Hidden Power(ICE)
-Thunderbolt
-Fire Punch
-Cross Chop
This thing can be a proven beast.

EDIT: This comment was directed at Azonic.

Its still a mixed sweeper with only one special attack -.-;

If you want to make a team for the uber environment, then you definitely need ubers of your own and some walls.

GeneralGuy November 18th, 2007 6:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azonic (Post 3093120)
Its still a mixed sweeper with only one special attack -.-;

If you want to make a team for the uber environment, then you definitely need ubers of your own and some walls.

I don't use Ubers myself. Most people who use them aren't EV trained and have average IVs. I can usually defeat them.

Azonic November 18th, 2007 6:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3093147)
I don't use Ubers myself. Most people who use them aren't EV trained and have average IVs. I can usually defeat them.

You can't really rely on that off chance of luck. And If you battle an even half-decent trainer, their pokemon are EV trained.

If you design it for the uber environment, you probably are definitely going to need walls.


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