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Arcknight316 November 18th, 2007 11:42 AM

Worst Team Ever
 
Forretress @ Shed Shell (?)
Payback
Toxic Spikes
Spikes
Rapid Spin

Interesting set, I know. Payback hits Ghosts that resist Rapid Spin, and Forretress is more than likely going last.

Salamence @ ???
Flamethrower
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Aerial Ace

OR

*Shiny* Lucario @ ???
Close Combat
Shadow Claw
Extremespeed
Earthquake/Stone Edge

Claydol @ Leftovers (?)
Sunny Day
Rain Dance
Calm Mind/Rapid Spin
Psychic/Ice Beam

Helps set up weather for........

Roserade @ ???
Energy Ball
Sludge Bomb
Shadow Ball
Weather Ball

Takes advantage of Sunny Day and Rain Dance and Sandstorm, which comes from.......

[email protected] Shell Bell
Ice Fang/Fire Fang/Thunder Fang/Screech
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Crunch

I might go with Screech to PHaze.

*Shiny* Electivire @ ???
Brick Break
Thunder punch
Ice punch
Earthquake

Brick Break over Cross Chop for Accuracy and Reflect.

There you go! Rate this terrible team!

Anti November 18th, 2007 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3093916)
Forretress @ Leftovers
Earthqauke
Rest / Counter
Spikes
Rapid Spin

Interesting set, I know. Payback hits Ghosts that resist Rapid Spin, and Forretress is more than likely going last.

Forry really can't take on ghosdts anyways. If you see a switch coming, switch to your gengar counter ASAP.

Salamence @ Choice Band
Crunch
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Aerial Ace

How I love CBmence, the 'ol ADV standard.

OR

*Shiny* Lucario @ ???
Close Combat
Shadow Claw
Extremespeed
Earthquake/Stone Edge

Claydol @ Leftovers (?)
Sunny Day
Rain Dance
Calm Mind/Rapid Spin
Psychic/Ice Beam

Helps set up weather for........

Okay, TTar owns this already. Way to waste claydol's walling capabilities for setting up weather. and 2 spinners is a tad redundant, yes?

Roserade @ Choice Specs / Scarf
Energy Ball
Sludge Bomb
Shadow Ball
Leaf Storm

Takes advantage of Sunny Day and Rain Dance and Sandstorm, which comes from.......

TTar is all you need if you REALLY want to run weather ball. No need to waste a pokemon just to set up weather for a sweeper that is very fragile anyways.

[email protected] Choice Band
Ice Fang/Fire Fang
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Crunch

Sure.

*Shiny* Electivire @ ???
Cross Chop
Thunder punch / Thunderbolt
Ice punch
Earthquake

Brick Break over Cross Chop for Accuracy and Reflect.

No, use cross chop for power, you'll need it.

There you go! Rate this terrible team!

Post EVs, natures, etc. I thought you knew better. This team flows terribly together. Half of these pokemon will be running off choice sets, which means switching a lot. TTar's sandstream will wear down your sweepers to the point where the opposing walls can take you down. All for one move on roserade :/

Also, Electivire totally destroys this team, except for little forry. Speaking of which, if you fear magneton (or magnezone, rather) you should maybe put substitute on it so that it'll have to break a sub while you OHKO with EQ.

Oh, and what happens if forry dies? you're screwed. then any physical sweeper can run rampant on your team. Of courtse that's to be expected, but you have nothing else that can take a hit. Claydol? sure, but its moveset is so useless that it won't be able to fight back. And My god, DDtar can switch into claydol after the opponent realizes you didn't equip it with a ground move. It'll DD up and sweep. Same problem with gyarados.

Brick break for reflect? Pseudo-passing isn't very common, and it isn't much to worry about. Cross chop because blissey doesn't like it.

all this team looks like to me is a bunch of sweepers with a wall and a half (because claydol has been demoted to a half a wall now). Really, Random CBers will take down Forry pretty quickly seeing as you have no means of recovery and it can't take THAT many hits. Then you're dead. And any special sweeper can sweep this team right off the bat, namely gengar, who is faster than all of your sweepers and can OHKO a few of them. CMers also can't be stoppped, since Forry can't take a special hit for its life and claydol can't fight back.

If you want to use claydol maybe use:

Claydol @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 148 Def / 108 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd_
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam / Psychic
- Rapid Spin
- Rest

My prefered set. I like psychic over gengar to hammer gengar and Hera switch-ins.

In fact, the old ADV standard CBmence I mentioned earlier can literally dismantle your entire team, 3rd or 4th gen. Forry falls to fire blast, Vire to EQ, whatever flying move you use hammers roserade, EQ > TTar, and lucario for that matter. Dragon Claw will hammer claydol (especially yours) and you're finished. I know it's a CB set, but they can use a move to OHKO you, switch, and repeat. Which goes back to what I said about random CBers owning this team.

I'm not trying to go nuts here, but point out glaring weaks in your team.

Arcknight316 November 18th, 2007 1:47 PM

GAH!!!!! APCW13's back! At least you have good reasons, though.

1. OK, I guess Claydol's moveset is going to change, big-time......as will Forry's.

2. I'm keeping Brick Break. A lot of people launch up Reflect in front of Electivire.

3. OK, Roserade's keeping Weather Ball, but from now on, it'll be Rock, and Rock only.

4. All right, Crunch over Flamethrower.

Anti November 18th, 2007 1:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3094225)
GAH!!!!! APCW13's back! At least you have good reasons, though.

Back? I haven't left since October...

1. OK, I guess Cladol's moveset is going to change, big-time......as will Forry's.

Because they needed to change.

2. I'm keeping Brick Break. A lot of people launch up Reflect in front of Electivire.

lol

3. OK, Roserade's keeping Weather Ball, but from now on, it'll be Rock, and Rock only.

Leaf storm is better, but knock yourslef out. Literally.

4. All right, Crunch over Flamethrower.

You know, opposing blisseys are going to wonder "why is this idiot using brick break?" Since EQ and BB/Cross Chop have almost the same coverage anyways, you'll want power. Brick Break is a joke since it is only for breaking the screens.

If you can't beat pseudo-passers, you fail. All you do is send in your walls and stall stall stall. Then kill them when the time is right. Just becaus ethe battle might be a stall war doesn't mean you fail. Sometimes it's necessary.

So BB is a joke. End.

And you still have no special wall :/ don't even say claydol, because ice beam says hi!

Arcknight316 November 18th, 2007 3:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3094243)
You know, opposing blisseys are going to wonder "why is this idiot using brick break?" Since EQ and BB/Cross Chop have almost the same coverage anyways, you'll want power. Brick Break is a joke since it is only for breaking the screens.

If you can't beat pseudo-passers, you fail. All you do is send in your walls and stall stall stall. Then kill them when the time is right. Just becaus ethe battle might be a stall war doesn't mean you fail. Sometimes it's necessary.

So BB is a joke. End.

And you still have no special wall :/ don't even say claydol, because ice beam says hi!


GAH! What's a good one, then? CM Slowbro? CM Slowking? Regice?

ultranerd57 November 18th, 2007 3:14 PM

Registeel, Blissey, Curselax, Cresselia, etc. etc.

Anti November 18th, 2007 3:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3094628)
Registeel, Blissey, Curselax, Cresselia, etc. etc.

Registeel is meh. Regice is nice. Lax, bliss, the usual stuff.

Arcknight316 November 18th, 2007 3:29 PM

What about Suicune? I don't have one, but I might get one later. And Regice...I might get that as well.

EDIT: Oohlahlah, Regice can learn Thunder Wave! Big plus for it.

Anti November 18th, 2007 3:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3094697)
What about Suicune? I don't have one, but I might get one later. And Regice...I might get that as well.

EDIT: Oohlahlah, Regice can learn Thunder Wave! Big plus for it.

Suicune gets pwnt by thunderbolt...and it has hardly any SDef EVs...

Sora_8920 November 18th, 2007 3:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3094697)
What about Suicune? I don't have one, but I might get one later. And Regice...I might get that as well.

EDIT: Oohlahlah, Regice can learn Thunder Wave! Big plus for it.

Cmcune.. Always.. not mixing with Gens now.

Arcknight316 November 18th, 2007 3:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3094736)
Cmcune.. Always.. not mixing with Gens now.


That was pointless......how was I mixing Gens?

Anti November 18th, 2007 3:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3094744)
That was pointless......how was I mixing Gens?

Itachi mixes gens a lot. And telling hinm that post was useless is a bit hypocr-never mind.

Suicune isn't a special wall, 'k? That's all you need to know really.

Arcknight316 November 18th, 2007 3:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3094751)
Itachi mixes gens a lot. And telling hinm that post was useless is a bit hypocr-never mind.

Suicune isn't a special wall, 'k? That's all you need to know really.

Phew, I thought you were coming to flame me.

OK then, Regice it is. As soon as I get it. BTW what's a good moveset? I only know that Thunder Wave is a must.

Anti November 18th, 2007 3:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3094760)
Phew, I thought you were coming to flame me.

OK then, Regice it is. As soon as I get it. BTW what's a good moveset? I only know that Thunder Wave is a must.

I'm on thin ice as it is, flaming wouldn't be smart :/

thunder wave isn't a must on regice at all :/ It normally runs boltbeaming resttalker (FTW).

sims796 November 18th, 2007 3:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3094243)
You know, opposing blisseys are going to wonder "why is this idiot using brick break?" Since EQ and BB/Cross Chop have almost the same coverage anyways, you'll want power. Brick Break is a joke since it is only for breaking the screens.

If you can't beat pseudo-passers, you fail. All you do is send in your walls and stall stall stall. Then kill them when the time is right. Just becaus ethe battle might be a stall war doesn't mean you fail. Sometimes it's necessary.

So BB is a joke. End.

And you still have no special wall :/ don't even say claydol, because ice beam says hi!

Tone it down, Anti, going a bit crazy.

You do know that once my Noctowl & Grumpig sets up Reflect, they are hard to take down, right? Reflect is a staple of my team. Noctowl becomes a motha #$%& pain to take down once I use Reflect. Plus, it has Roost, & my entire [mostly defensive] team becomes a tank.

However, one opponent Brick Broke my Reflect...right on Miltank. I was pissed.

Arcknight316 November 18th, 2007 3:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3094782)
Tone it down, Anti, going a bit crazy.

You do know that once my Noctowl & Grumpig sets up Reflect, they are hard to take down, right? Reflect is a staple of my team. Noctowl becomes a motha #$%& pain to take down once I use Reflect. Plus, it has Roost, & my entire [mostly defensive] team becomes a tank.

However, one opponent Brick Broke my Reflect...right on Miltank. I was pissed.

Thanks, sims796, I really needed that. Brick Break is pretty useful. See? MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ok now im going crazy

sims796 November 18th, 2007 3:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3094790)
Thanks, sims796, I really needed that. Brick Break is pretty useful. See? MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ok now im going crazy

You tone ut down too. Anti is right. For Vire, Cross Chop is the way to go.

Anti November 18th, 2007 3:51 PM

I ALWAYS need to tone it down...no sarcasm, I'm being serious. ;)

Still, pseudo-passers only hinder your sweeping ability. Just stall and take out the passer. Pretty simple to execute actually. Besides, while you BB, you might be taking a brutal hit...

EDIT: Though what I was saying is that using BB just to break screens is really pathetic.

sims796 November 18th, 2007 3:53 PM

As I said, for Vire, Cross Chop is superior, however, don't say BB is fail.

Anti November 18th, 2007 3:53 PM

On Vire it is, simply because there is a betetr option. wheeas on something like Mence, it can't learn anything better, making BB pretty useful.

Arcknight316 November 18th, 2007 3:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3094816)
On Vire it is, simply because there is a betetr option. wheeas on something like Mence, it can't learn anything better, making BB pretty useful.

meh...ill test out both, see which works better

Anti November 18th, 2007 3:55 PM

Okay...

So, what do you plan on doing about the rest of the flaws I have pointed out? I mean, nothing can stop half the sweepers in the metagame, big problem.

Arcknight316 November 18th, 2007 3:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3094827)
Okay...

So, what do you plan on doing about the rest of the flaws I have pointed out? I mean, nothing can stop half the sweepers in the metagame, big problem.

Well, first of all, I gotta twist around the movesets of my Walls (Claydol/Regice & Forry), maybe even switch my Claydol to a Regice. Anything else?

Sora_8920 November 18th, 2007 3:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3094836)
Well, first of all, I gotta twist around the movesets of my Walls (Claydol/Regice & Forry), maybe even switch my Claydol to a Regice. Anything else?

Actually Claydol is a Mixed Wall, kinda more useful then just a Sp.Wall. And can run Rapid Spin.

Anti November 18th, 2007 3:58 PM

CBers still mow over you. Like a bulldozer. I'd put in a mixed wall that takes punishment Forry can't. Ironically, claydol did that just fine.


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