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Sora_8920 November 18th, 2007 4:39 PM

Shooting down any advice given.
 
Since so many n00bs on here, are shooting down adivce, I thought i'd make a Thread about this.

1.) You're asking to get your Thread locked.
2.) People will call you a n00b, and that isn't good.
3.) Nobody is perfect, so take advice, please. Don't get us angry.

spike6958 November 18th, 2007 4:41 PM

lol just couse some people dont agree with the advice you give them dosn't mean there noobs

Arcknight316 November 18th, 2007 4:41 PM

Ahem. That was.....spam. *cough* And yeah, I agree with you, Spike.

sims796 November 18th, 2007 4:44 PM

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Originally Posted by spike6958 (Post 3095010)
lol just couse some people dont agree with the advice you give them dosn't mean there noobs

Obviously you don't get what he means.

Its when you ask for help, & then shoot down every bit of help. THAT makes you a noob.

& dark, if this is SPAM, why the HELL did you post? Spamming a SPAM thread. Honestly.

Though this is somewhat pointless thread.

Arcknight316 November 18th, 2007 4:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3095019)
Obviously you don't get what he means.

Its when you ask for help, & then shoot down every bit of help. THAT makes you a noob.

& dark, if this is SPAM, why the HELL did you post? Spamming a SPAM thread. Honestly.

Though this is somewhat pointless thread.

Considering isn't the same as shooting down.

sims796 November 18th, 2007 4:47 PM

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Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3095023)
Considering isn't the same as shooting down.

But we are not talking about CONSIDERING. We are talking about SHOOTING DOWN ADVICE.

spike6958 November 18th, 2007 4:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3095019)
Obviously you don't get what he means.

Its when you ask for help, & then shoot down every bit of help. THAT makes you a noob.

& dark, if this is SPAM, why the HELL did you post? Spamming a SPAM thread. Honestly.

Though this is somewhat pointless thread.

yeh but about 80% of the advice given is just personal pref which dosn't help much

airconditioning November 18th, 2007 4:48 PM

I'm sorry, but if people don't read the stickies, they certainly won't read this.

Pointless-yet-well-intentioned thread is pointless.

Arcknight316 November 18th, 2007 4:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3095033)
But we are not talking about CONSIDERING. We are talking about SHOOTING DOWN ADVICE.

Fine then. TESTING isn't the same as shooting down. You just don't get it, do you?

sims796 November 18th, 2007 4:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spike6958 (Post 3095042)
yeh but about 80% of the advice given is just personal pref which dosn't help much

No it is not. It is the basics, & what works best.

Azonic November 18th, 2007 4:50 PM

You know, this kind of stuff can go in the How to Write an RMT Thread.

sims796 November 18th, 2007 4:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3095046)
Fine then. TESTING isn't the same as shooting down. You just don't get it, do you?

Will you pay attention. We are NOT TALKING ABOUT TESTING. We are talking about shooting down advice.

This has nothing to do with your threaf.

J-Rad November 18th, 2007 4:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3095005)
Since so many n00bs on here, are shooting down adivce, I thought i'd make a Thread about this.

1.) You're asking to get your Thread locked.
2.) People will call you a n00b, and that isn't good.
3.) Nobody is perfect, so take advice, please. Don't get us angry.

amen itachi 2007 amen......

sims796 November 18th, 2007 4:54 PM

Azonic is right. I knew it goes somewhere just couldn't remember where.

Anti November 18th, 2007 5:23 PM

Well, I won't get into this to avoid getting into trouble, but...

Regardless of if it's spam, I do have an opinion on this. first off, 80% of advice isn't personal preference. Experience would be a better word. Sure, I'd prefer to use CB blissey, but that wouldn't be so good...

But even it it was, it's no excuse for shooting down advice. If you disagree with the advice and say why, that's totally different. But making comments that aren't really true and often taking people out of context IS shooting advice down and is generally annoying.

It's just annoying to have people with suck narrow-minded views and nothing to back them up. With a bit of fact behind it, I'm cool. But otherwise...

ultranerd57 November 18th, 2007 5:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spike6958 (Post 3095042)
yeh but about 80% of the advice given is just personal pref which dosn't help much

Actually I'd say 80% of the advice is the standard moveset for that pokemon.

spike6958 November 18th, 2007 7:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3095347)
Actually I'd say 80% of the advice is the standard moveset for that pokemon.

yeh but just because it's the standard moveset for that pokemon dosn't mean it has to be the one used and just because people say no to it dosn't mean there shooting down the advice, if everyone stuck to it the advice you give then there would be no point playing pokemon against other people couse everyone would be useing the same 6 pokemon with the same natures/attacks/items/ev's etc...., and where's the fun in that

Anti November 18th, 2007 7:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spike6958 (Post 3095554)
yeh but just because it's the standard moveset for that pokemon dosn't mean it has to be the one used

But it IS the best set. which is why it's standard.

and just because people say no to it dosn't mean there shooting down the advice,

We never said that. Certain people aren't backing up their disagreement with any solid factual evidence to support it. that would be shooting down advice.

if everyone stuck to it the advice you give then there would be no point playing pokemon against other people couse everyone would be useing the same 6 pokemon with the same natures/attacks/items/ev's etc...., and where's the fun in that

Um, we give sets for the pokemon they're using, and SUGGEST replacements. we don't say "Use skarm, bliss, Mence, Zam, Weavile, Suicune. you fail if you don't use those." We don't do that...just an example though. I mean, we make corrections, nothing more...and until there is some fact behind the decision, it IS mindlessly shooting down advice, no matter how you spin it.

airconditioning November 18th, 2007 7:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spike6958 (Post 3095554)
yeh but just because it's the standard moveset for that pokemon dosn't mean it has to be the one used and just because people say no to it dosn't mean there shooting down the advice, if everyone stuck to it the advice you give then there would be no point playing pokemon against other people couse everyone would be useing the same 6 pokemon with the same natures/attacks/items/ev's etc...., and where's the fun in that

The standards are standard for a reason. Why do you think nobody uses Wall Weavile?

Also, there are a lot of different Pokemon used in standard play, many of which can fill multiple roles. When you see a Garchomp, you don't know its build. It could be a Scarf Chomp and outspeed your sweeper, or it could be a Chainchomp and destroy your wall. And what happens if someone uses a UU? It's mind games like these that make the metagame interesting. Frankly, you sound like someone who's never played a real battle against a skilled opponent.

Anti November 18th, 2007 7:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spike6958 (Post 3095590)
well those are pritiy much the only replacements you o suggest why not try suggesting other pokemon and mixing it up a little i mean there are almost 500to choose from that way the wifi battles, win or loose, will be alot more enjoyable

First of all, end punctuation.

Um, what is wrong with suggesting the best sets? Isn't that kind of the idea? If the thread starter wants a novelty set or doesn't want the standard, we'd be happy to post one :/

and 500 what? Could you maybe specify?

Syaoran November 18th, 2007 7:13 PM

No, the advice given is mostly to fit the pokemon with the team and what it needs. And saying "no" to it is basically shooting it down, lol.

spike6958 November 18th, 2007 7:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3095581)
The standards are standard for a reason. Why do you think nobody uses Wall Weavile?

Also, there are a lot of different Pokemon used in standard play, many of which can fill multiple roles. When you see a Garchomp, you don't know its build. It could be a Scarf Chomp and outspeed your sweeper, or it could be a Chainchomp and destroy your wall. And what happens if someone uses a UU? It's mind games like these that make the metagame interesting. Frankly, you sound like someone who's never played a real battle against a skilled opponent.

yeh and that i dont mind it's just when everyone has the exact same team as everyone elce which DOES seem to be the case at the moment(or maybe it just the ammount of noobs who are too lazy to think up there own teams) it makes the game extreamly boring and unchallanging.

Faceless* November 18th, 2007 7:17 PM

Hey Itachi! Way to create a good flamewar thread!

sims796 November 18th, 2007 7:23 PM

Its more of a debate.

Also, if everyone uses the same team, it isn't boring. Plenty of strategies can made, skill isn't the same. It isn't the pokemon themselves that makes a team good.

Angelic Diablo November 18th, 2007 7:24 PM

Skill does come into it... I mean consider the following, 2 players using SkarmBlissDol (Skarmory, Blissey, Claydol) combo to wall an opponents Electivire

1st Player sees Electivire and switches to Skarmory
Electivire uses Thunderbolt, Skarmory dies

2nd Player sees Electivire, contemplates Skarmory, remembers most Electivires carry Thunderbolt, and switches to Claydol
Electivire uses Thunderbolt, Claydol is immune

Even if everyone used the same pokemon, with the same movesets... The battles would still be totally intense and based off prediction and skill.


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