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Review 3.0
This should hopefully be my last RMT thread, but I don't feel like reviving the old one. I've made a few notible changes.
[email protected]/Wacan Berry***Dragoon Nature:Adamant Waterfall Stone Edge Dragon Dance Taunt EV:212 HP/16 ATK/180 DEF/100 SPD Physical Sweeper. Standard Tauntdos. Painful when played right, although I may give him a wii bit more ATK. [email protected] Sash***Sparks Nature:Timid T-bolt Grass Knot Focus Blast Nasty Plot EV:MAX SP.ATK/MAX SPD/6 SP.DEF Special Sweeper. He abuses Focus Sash for powerful moves. For instance, if Specsmence causes me grief, I can last with Sash to hit hard. [email protected]***Nickname in thought Nature:Relaxed Gyro Ball EQ Rapid Spin Spikes/Stealth Rock EV:MAX HP/88 ATK/164 DEF Physical Wall. Also my Spinner, & Trap setter. Because he is my prime wall, Explosion is not an option. [email protected]***Spam Nature:Calm Psychic Energy Ball Reflect T-wave/Magic Coat EV:MAX HP/52 SP.ATK/200 SP.DEF Special Wall. This was a tough trade-off from Noctowl. As much as I love Noctowl, it didn't help my bolt-beam weakness. Hell, she made it worse. Grumpig, however, has higher Sp.Defence, higher Sp.Attack, a more diverse movepool, & Thick Fat, which damn well helps me out. Unfortunately, he lacks what Noctowl has-a reliable healing move. Still, pro outweighs the con. [email protected] Orb***Yoshi Nature:Naughty EQ Dragon Claw Fire Blast Roost/U-Turn EV:252 ATK/120 SP.ATK/136 SPD Mixed Sweeper (Orb). What is the proper EV spread for this? I want it to be a SkarmBliss killer. But I lose the Speed my team craves with this set. [email protected] Sludge***Petals Nature:Calm Energy Ball Hidden Power [ICE] Aromatherapy Sleep Powder EV:244 HP/90 SP.ATK/140 SP.DEF/30 DEF Cleric. My team favorite! He is also a limited mixed wall. I discovered this when I accidentally gave him DEF EV's while training him in SP.DEF. His typing allows him much survivability. Although he has many weaknesses, not all are seen that often. So, whadda think? Better than last time. UPDATES Using Life Orb Flygon. Due to lack of a Naive Ditto, using Iceman's set. Changed Grumpig IV's. More SP.DEF, less SP.ATK. Until I get T-Wave, will use Magic Coat. |
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Not bad...but I would give Raichu quick attack for thoose annoying Focus sashes.
Also you would want to slip in a Flash Fire pokemon such as Ninetails or Arcanine to benefit Foretress since it's one weakness usualy leads to an OHKO. Also give Grumpig Trick Room since that lack of speed might be you're demise. but other thn that it's a solid team.....9/10 |
Actually, Flygon and Gyarados suck up fire attacks extremely well, so he doesn't need a fire type.
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Yeah, i know that, all I'm saying is there isn't a need to waste a team slot just to prevent fire pokemon from hurting.
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Flygon, Gyarados, AND Grumpig takes Fire.
Trick room hinders my team. My team may be slow, but not that slow. Raichu has max Speed. Gya isn't that slow. I'm not that scared of Gengar, although I must consider your spread. I was gonna give Grumpig an item like Iron Ball or Choice Specs if I went with Trick, but I don't care for Trick to begin with. The reason I thought Magic Coat was because of Gengar. I KNOW that SOB will try Hypnosis, so it can be bounced back, though I'm not sure. I'm not too crazy on that EV spread, although I get your logic. Which Flygon should I use? I'm confused on that. EDIT:Quick Attack is an option... |
I don't really see how that's a waste.......
Get a sweeping Arcanine with all EV's in ATK and SPD, and the boost to his fire attacks doesn't suit the opponents. I agree with you on the point of just having a body there would be a waste, but that stratagy is the equivelent to the T-Bolt switch to Electrive. Foretress has godly defenses so A fire attacker is bound to mosey on in. Switch it out to you're lovely sweeper and bob's you're uncle robert's you're fathers brother......you got an Arcanine/Ninetale/Heatran on roids! |
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Well not necessarily, what happens when Gengar uses shadow Ball (As in Choice Specs variant)??, Thats why i put it with Special wall evs and Light Screen so you can take hits like that because, well thats its job.... You also dont really need Magic Coat, well because of Aromatherapy.... On the Flygon set, its up to you on which set you use, i was just saying that the Life Orb one requires Naive Nature and not Naughty like you originally had. |
Well, the thing is, if you get out an Arcanine and it takes a Flamethrower from a Ninetails, what does it do then? It certainly can't hit back with powered up Flamethrowers because Ninetails has Flash Fire. Then you get put to sleep by a Ninetails, a switch and you find yourself agains an Electivire. I say it's a bad idea.
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As for Flygon, I really can't decide. I was up all night, but couldn't decide. |
I like the Life Orb one, it doesn't require a switch after you kill Skarm or Bliss.
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Arcanine packs other moves too....it doesn't have to always use fire type moves.
What I'm saying is that his ability maxes out his stabbed attacks for other pokemon. This would make a mix sweeper Arcanine possible. <___< Who would flame thrwer a flash fire poke on purpose anyways? |
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I understand, though. I made the poor mistake of using Sunny Day...I hate Arcanine... |
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Well its all a matter of speed vs the ability to use moves freely. Scarf Flygon gets to about 404 Speed with those evs i believe. Whilst Life Orb has more power and the ability to use moves freely. Also watch out for Blisseys that pack Ice Beam as you wont OHKO it with either set with EQ ...... |
I know about HP ICE, Plume took that with surprising resistance. It was Name's Gengar as well.
With SPD Flygon, I never fear Gengar. But I lose the ability to SkarmBliss kill. |
Most Blisseys can't OHKO a Flygon with Ice beam.
Then again my Flygon has 30 IVs in Sp.Def...lulz.... But the thing with the "other dragon" is it's mixed ability to fight anything it feels like. Garchomp = Speed/atk boosting item, and Outrage/EQ...al the time... <_< Flygon puts out every move. Mines has EQ, Dragon Pulse, Crunch and Fire Blast to Ensnarf a variety of pokemon. I would go with Life Orb to cleanse out this problem. Besides...most gengars arent HP ice.....they're usualy of the "Shadow Ball, Psychic, T-Bolt" Variety |
I forgot how hard it is to even get HP ICE.
Despite being inferior to the other dragons, Flygon has things going that the others do not. Unlike Mence, he is immune to Electric, & unlike Chomp, he is immune to Spikes & EQ, & has a reliable healing move. It's like the child of Mence & Chomp. |
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32 HP EV Flygon takes Damage: 264 - 311 Damage: 85.44% - 100.65% from a 0 sp.att ev Blissey and 6 hp ev Flygon takes Damage: 87.71% - 103.32% from a 0 ev Sp.Att Blissey. Either way your cutting it pretty close to a OHKO. Maybe the Blissey you came up against had crappy sp.att evs ?? |
So I'll beef up Grumpig's Sp.defence, (& try Light Screen), & I supose I'll go with Life Orb. Why Naive?
EDIT:Oh, I see. Damn! Now I need a Naive Ditto! |
nuuuu keep reflect. if gengar does have HP ice, then grumpig will be there to take the hit. and if gengar decides to follow up with shadow ball, grumpig WILL survive a non-Specs shadow ball, allowing it to paralyze it, and punish it with Psychic the following turn. i say paralyze first just in case it is the Focus Sash variety, then you always have the option of letting grumpig make the sacrifice so one pokemon doesn't sweep the entire team.
uh btw sims, your flygon has some evs left out o.O 120 + 120=240... it has 16 more! |
Too lazy to read the rest of the topic :p
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Since I lack a Naive Ditto, I'll go with Iceman's set. So now, I don't know...where is Life Orb found?
Also, do most Vire run with Max Speed? This is so I can better prepare. |
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BUT, I've seen some teams posted on this forum, which had Electivires with total Speed Overkill (289 Speed). Some people running Naive with Max Speed EVs (317 Speed), I'm like OH COME ON =/ |
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