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PBRADIO November 20th, 2007 10:17 AM

rate what I have
 
Here's what I've got so far, my very first team ever, and it probably shows. I have no idea what items I should be using

Absol @ ???
Adamant
Super Luck
4 HP, 252 Attack, 127 Defense, 127 S.Defense
- Psycho Cut
- Sucker Punch
- Swords Dance
- X-Scissor

Scyther @ ???
Jolly
Swarm
6 HP, 152 Attack, 126 Defense, 126 S.Defense, 100 Speed
- Swords Dance
- Night Slash
- Brick Break
- X-Scissor

Blastoise @ ???
Gentle
Torrent
252 HP, 252 S.Defense, 6 Speed
- Rapid Spin
- Blizzard
- Toxic
- Surf

Skarmory @ ???
Impish
Super Luck
252 HP, 44 Attack, 192 Defense, 20 Speed
- Spikes
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
- Air Slash

Sora_8920 November 20th, 2007 10:22 AM

Yes! Not the usual bad Format. Spikes AND Stealth Rock is redaundant.


Skarmory (F) @ Leftovers **Big Bird
Trait: Sturdy
EV's: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 156 Def / 4 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Whirlwind
- Roost
- Drill Peck / Brave Bird.

PBRADIO November 20th, 2007 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3099864)
Yes! Not the usual bad Format. Spikes AND Stealth Rock is redaundant.


Skarmory (F) @ Leftovers **Big Bird
Trait: Sturdy
EV's: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 156 Def / 4 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Whirlwind
- Roost
- Drill Peck / Brave Bird.

Even though they are different "TYPES"?
What would you reccomend in place of one or the other?

Sora_8920 November 20th, 2007 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBRADIO (Post 3099865)
Even though they are different "TYPES"?
What would you reccomend in place of one or the other?

I wasn't flaming your format. Just complmenting you on using the right format. Just use my Set. And Air Slash is lol on Skarm. Unless this is infact 3rd Gen, we're allowed to have Whirlwind and Spikes now.

PBRADIO November 20th, 2007 10:32 AM

I didn't take it as a flame, just didn't understand why those moves were redundant, since they were in fact different TYPES, so I thought it added coverage. This is my first attempt at a team

sims796 November 20th, 2007 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3099864)
Yes! Not the usual bad Format. Spikes AND Stealth Rock is redaundant.


Skarmory (F) @ Leftovers **Big Bird
Trait: Sturdy
EV's: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 156 Def / 4 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Whirlwind
- Roost
- Drill Peck / Brave Bird.

Not entirely. Stealth Rock & Spikes together makes it near impossible to switch, & offers amazing coverage. Once a few layers of Spikes is made, switching is dangerous. & With Stealth Rock is up, it hurts those Flying types & Levitators who thinks their slick, on top of adding to those hit by Spikes.

However, I wouldn't recommend them on the same set. For instance, if you use the SkarmBliss combo, Blissey can use SR, while Skarm uses Spikes.

PBRADIO November 20th, 2007 11:49 AM

Ok, so I'll substitute Stealth Rock with something else, and when I add my next teammate, I'll let him/her use Stealth rock. I just need to decide who my next team member will be

airconditioning November 20th, 2007 12:26 PM

Your team could use a Special Wall, perhaps Blissey or Cresselia (Maybe Milotic, but you already have Blastoise). A Special sweeper might be nice too- try Azelf, Gengar, or Porygon-Z.

Anti November 20th, 2007 12:29 PM

For the record Itachi, hisd EVs were betetr than yours. What's that much attack going to do for it?

Gentle is terrible on a wall, I recommend calm on a special wall blastoise (though it is more useful as a mixed wall). Blizzard is equally bad. I suggest putting rest over it.

Arsibiyez November 20th, 2007 11:07 PM

I'm somewhat the fan of Absol, but why are there no Speed EVs? With his frailty, it'll be a miracle if you can even attack at all! (Yeah, I know, Sucker Punch... meh...)

Me First has always been a move to abuse. Besides always going first, you can surprise that Brick Break Weavile or that Draco Meteor Mence or Chomp, or that EQ Metagross. Heck, EQ ANYTHING!

You can try abusing Super Luck by slapping on as many High-crit moves as you can. Night Slash would be the most devastating, but you'd probably need Agility support for it to be properly usable...

EDIT: Skarmory doesn't have Super Luck, btw. -_-

Iceman3k November 21st, 2007 5:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBRADIO (Post 3099861)
Here's what I've got so far, my very first team ever, and it probably shows. I have no idea what items I should be using

Absol @ Choice Scarf
Adamant
Super Luck
4 HP, 252 Attack, 252 Speed
- Psycho Cut
- Sucker Punch
- Stone Edge
- Night Slash
Abuse his Super Luck and go crazy with High Crit Moves!
Choice Scarf always.


Scyther @ Salac Berry
Adamant
Swarm
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
- Swords Dance / Endure
- Night Slash
- Reversal
- X-Scissor
You'll be awesome if you can skillfully pull this off.

Blastoise @ Leftovers
Bold
Torrent
216 HP / 96 Def / 196 SDef
- Rapid Spin
- Ice Beam
- Counter / Mirror Coat / Rest
- Surf
Blizzard? EWW, NO.

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Impish
Super Luck (ERROR: SKARMORY CANNOT OBTAIN SUPER LUCK) / Sturdy
208 HP / 216 Def / 44 Atk
- Spikes / Roost
- Stealth Rock / Roost
- Roar
- Drill Peck / Brave Bird
Stealth Rock and Spikes on 2 different Pokemon on the same team is fine, but all cluttered on 1 Pokemon is overkill.

At this current point, you have a very large Electivire problem.
Specifically, 3/4 of your pokemon are weak against the Electric Type.

PBRADIO November 21st, 2007 5:59 AM

Ok, I'm taking everything everyone has said here and I'm retooling my team. After much reading on the forums here, I learned how to, and was able to breed egg moves into a pokemon for the first time yesterday (Whirlwind and Drill Peck and Roost, for my Skarmory). That was AFTER getting two Impish ones and breeding them over and over until I was able to get one with what I think are Awesome IV's. . . so that all said, the new OFFICIAL FIRST member of my re-tooled team is:

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Impish
Keen Eye
252 HP / 192 Def / 44 Atk / 20 Speed
- Spikes
- Roost
- Whirlwind
- Drill Peck


I'm going to use the same pokes I was using before, but I'll post re-tooled versions of my team as I add em.

THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP!!!!

Sora_8920 November 21st, 2007 6:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBRADIO (Post 3102295)
Ok, I'm taking everything everyone has said here and I'm retooling my team. After much reading on the forums here, I learned how to, and was able to breed egg moves into a pokemon for the first time yesterday (Whirlwind and Drill Peck and Roost, for my Skarmory). That was AFTER getting two Impish ones and breeding them over and over until I was able to get one with what I think are Awesome IV's. . . so that all said, the new OFFICIAL FIRST member of my re-tooled team is:

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Impish
Keen Eye
252 HP / 192 Def / 44 Atk / 20 Speed
- Spikes
- Roost
- Whirlwind
- Drill Peck


I'm going to use the same pokes I was using before, but I'll post re-tooled versions of my team as I add em.

THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP!!!!

If this is In-Game, OHKO Moves are very annoying, so I would use Sturdy. And don't type in Caps, it makes it seem like you're yelling.

Azonic November 21st, 2007 6:01 AM

Believe it or not, Rock Smash on Absol is actually pretty good. Its hard to believe but its the only way you can inflict damage on Pokemon like Tyranitar

PBRADIO November 21st, 2007 6:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3102298)
If this is In-Game, OHKO Moves are very annoying, so I would use Sturdy. And don't type in Caps, it makes it seem like you're yelling.

Regarding Sturdy vs. Keen Eye. . . is there a method to obtaining the ability you want? or is this random? I ask because I just hatched 13 Skarmorys trying to get one with Sturdy, and each one has had Keen Eye.

Sora_8920 November 21st, 2007 6:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBRADIO (Post 3102341)
Regarding Sturdy vs. Keen Eye. . . is there a method to obtaining the ability you want? or is this random? I ask because I just hatched 13 Skarmorys trying to get one with Sturdy, and each one has had Keen Eye.

Just keep Breeding. You don'r just get one ability out of two every time. :P

Azonic November 21st, 2007 6:33 AM

Sturdy? Sturdy is a horrible move. Since when are you going to encounter a Sheer Cold?

Keen Eye is the better ability. PBRADIO, I assume you are new to breeding. The female's ability you bred with probably has the ability of Keen Eye. Thats why all your Skarmorys have Keen Eye. If you want Sturdy, then you have to get a Female Parend Skarmory that carries Sturdy, then you can breed.

But seriously, DO NOT use Sturdy.

sims796 November 21st, 2007 6:38 AM

Not entirely, I had my fair share of Keen Eye Hoothoot, while breeding with an Insomnia Hoothoot.

It makes no difference which ability you use, only noobs use both OHKO moves & Accuracy reduction moves.

Azonic November 21st, 2007 6:40 AM

Well, Keen Eye is still the better choice. OHKO moves are banned, Accuracy reduction is still allowed. Unless this is in-game >.>;

PBRADIO November 21st, 2007 6:47 AM

No no, this is for battling other trainers. So stick with Keen eye? I just got one with Sturdy, but I realy didn't like it's stats. I'm shooting for lvl 1 stats of 8 in defense, and 6 in everything else. I understand what OHKO means, and sturdy prevents that from happening. I understand that here on these boards, y'all ban certain moves, but I play with these a lot on Battle Revolution, and these OHKO moves are being used over there. So wouldn't Sturdy then be a better choice?

Yeah, I'm new to all of this, I played red/blue on the origional brick when they were released, but I never battled people, only played the game. Now, I'm playing D/P and just getting into being competative.

Azonic November 21st, 2007 6:50 AM

The standard competetive play bans the use of moves like Sheer Cold. And they probably wouldn't hit you anyways - So Sturdy doesn't have any use. Keen Eye doesn't do much either but its more reliable than Sturdy.

Sora_8920 November 21st, 2007 6:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azonic (Post 3102397)
The standard competetive play bans the use of moves like Sheer Cold. And they probably wouldn't hit you anyways - So Sturdy doesn't have any use. Keen Eye doesn't do much either but its more reliable than Sturdy.

Well, for the record, I did say if it's In-Game, then use Sturdy.

sims796 November 21st, 2007 7:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azonic (Post 3102397)
The standard competetive play bans the use of moves like Sheer Cold. And they probably wouldn't hit you anyways - So Sturdy doesn't have any use. Keen Eye doesn't do much either but its more reliable than Sturdy.

I agree, but since you won't be seeing either moves, it doesn't really matter. I mean, if you have great IV's on this one, then stick with this one.

Azonic November 21st, 2007 7:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3102400)
Well, for the record, I did say if it's In-Game, then use Sturdy.

wtf?

KEEN EYE. Accuracy reduction is more common in-game. And probably no one in-game uses 1HKO moves. Sturdy is useless either way.

Bishopk November 21st, 2007 7:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azonic (Post 3102420)
wtf?

KEEN EYE. Accuracy reduction is more common in-game. And probably no one in-game uses 1HKO moves. Sturdy is useless either way.

The Battle Tower has a few OHKOers (stupid Crawdaunt Guillotine hitting all 3 grumble mumble), but otherwise you shouldn't need Sturdy in-game. Or for these forums, either.


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