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ShadowAzelf November 21st, 2007 1:29 PM

OMG, My first RMT, help a noob out
 
Torkoal/Bowser Jr. @Leftovers/Shuca Berry
Sassy Nature
EVs:252hp/200spdef/26attk/26spattk/4def

Heat Wave
EQ
Explosion
Rapid Spin

Blaziken/Yoruichii @Focus Sash
Rash Nature
EVs:252spd/224spattk/32attk

Reversal
Agility
Flamethrower
HP Ice

Azelf/Young Link @Choice Scarf
Modest Nature
EVs:252spattk/252spd/4hp

Psychic
Grass Knot
Flamethrower
Thunderbolt

Regirock/Mr.Blissey @Leftovers
Brave Nature
EVs:252hp/200spdef/52attk/4def

Drain Punch
Thunder Punch
Curse
Fire Punch

Lickylicky/Janemba @Chople Berry/Choice Band
Brave Nature
EVs:252attk/252hp/4def
Ability: Own Tempo

Thunder Punch
Power Whip
Explosion
Swords Dance/EQ

Vaporeon/Mist Queen @Leftovers
Bold Nature
EVs: 252hp/126def/126spdef/4spattk

Aqua Ring
Ice Beam
Baton Pass
Curse

Read... enjoy... rate

Azonic November 21st, 2007 1:33 PM

First of all, Blaziken is just a weaker version of Infernape. Your team will be much more effective if you have Infernape instead of Blaziken.

~ Azonic

ShadowAzelf November 21st, 2007 1:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azonic (Post 3103467)
First of all, Blaziken is just a weaker version of Infernape. Your team will be much more effective if you have Infernape instead of Blaziken.

~ Azonic

Actually, you're VERY wrong there. First off, Blaziken has a Higher attack than Ape. Secondly, after the AgiliSashRevsersal combo, Blaziken kills. Infernape has stats that can cause suicide mostly and let's not add its movepool, although it can sweep a bit with a Scarf, Ape falls too easily.

Dark Azelf November 21st, 2007 1:42 PM

Dark Azelf and now a Shadow Azelf lol ??


Anyways

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Sassy /Calm Nature
252 HP / 240 DEF / 12 SP.ATT / 4 SP.DEF
- Ice Beam
- Charge Beam / Thunderbolt / Seismic Toss / Toxic
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Needs max hp and near max def if it wished to survive in D/P to dual wall and it doesnt need max sp.def, with this it has 480 which is enough. Also needs Rest as its weak to Stealth Rock which doesnt help walls=/. Those 12 sp.att guarantee a 2hko on Azelf with Ice Beam who can survive 3 otherwise , allowing it to Nasty Plot up.

Seismic Toss to break down Calm Minders etc. Toxic for Dusknoir, Spiritomb and Cresselia etc. Charge Beam for a Sp.Att boost. Thunderbolt if you need the power.

sims796 November 21st, 2007 1:44 PM

No, YOUR wrong. Infernape does whatever Blaziken does, but better. Nape has a diverse movepool, & has priority. Blaze, despite its bulk, just can't compete. They are BOTH fragile, & will BOTH fall to one EQ anyway. That was a very bold statement you made without proper reasoning.

KingofAnime November 21st, 2007 1:50 PM

When it comes to Infernape and Blaziken, I pretty much go on personal preference. :/

Ape may be better because he's more diverse and whatnot, but I just happen to prefer Blazey more for some reason. :/

Ape handles a broader range of pokemon, while Blaziken works well in other situations.

sims796 November 21st, 2007 1:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingofAnime (Post 3103539)
When it comes to Infernape and Blaziken, I pretty much go on personal preference. :/

Ape may be better because he's more diverse and whatnot, but I just happen to prefer Blazey more for some reason. :/

Ape handles a broader range of pokemon, while Blaziken works well in other situations.

What "other situations"? Nape is better, but Blaze is in no way bad. It may be inferior, but if you like it, its good enough to use.

KingofAnime November 21st, 2007 2:00 PM

Well, I use mine with Endure + Salac + Reversal.

I basically endure when I know I'd be nuked, and let my berry kick in.


Tis about all though. ._.

ShadowAzelf November 21st, 2007 2:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3103510)
No, YOUR wrong. Infernape does whatever Blaziken does, but better. Nape has a diverse movepool, & has priority. Blaze, despite its bulk, just can't compete. They are BOTH fragile, & will BOTH fall to one EQ anyway. That was a very bold statement you made without proper reasoning.

=_= *sigh* I don't wanna go through this again... but if it has to be... Most Apes either carry a Life Orb or a Scarf. 80% of those apes are mixed with a Speed+ Nature, the other 20% are Sp and Phys sweepers. 96% Of the Infenapes used will most likely have a speed+ Nature, once people realized how Ape can be used like this, Blaziken was abondoned in 3rd gen, so, no one's gotten to testing some of Blaze's sets, c'mon, it has the spattk that goes way higher than Ape's and a few good spattks, making it able to compete with Ape. Can Infrenape ohko a Skarmory with a Reversal? No. Considering the fact of Blaze's higher stats, Infenape gets owned by it on the regular basis.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3103501)
Dark Azelf and now a Shadow Azelf lol ??


Anyways

[email protected]
Sassy /Calm Nature
252 HP / 240 DEF / 12 SP.ATT / 4 SP.DEF
- Ice Beam
- Charge Beam / Thunderbolt / Seismic Toss / Toxic
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Needs max hp and near max def if it wished to survive in D/P to dual wall and it doesnt need max sp.def, with this it has 480 which is enough. Also needs Rest as its weak to Stealth Rock which doesnt help walls=/. Those 12 sp.att guarantee a 2hko on Azelf with Ice Beam who can survive 3 otherwise , allowing it to Nasty Plot up.

Seismic Toss to break down Calm Minders etc. Toxic for Dusknoir, Spiritomb and Cresselia etc. Charge Beam for a Sp.Att boost. Thunderbolt if you need the power.

I tried RestTalk at one time, but, it kept choosing Rest until Regice woke up,lol. I'll try Toxic over Amnesia though.

flamehaze94 November 21st, 2007 2:04 PM

At least Blaziken can Baton Pass and Endure/Salac/Reversal.....

sims796 November 21st, 2007 2:07 PM

There is a reason that nobody uses Blazekien, & that Infernape is one of the most popular around. Regular basis? EVERYONE uses Nape. It doesn't need Reversal to OHKO Skar-it has Flamethrower, Overheat, etc. It is more diverse, with Grass Knot, T-punch. Its an effective mixedsweeper.

Blaze is a good poke, but inferior to Nape. If you wanna use it, feel free. Its great, but just lesser.

Dark Azelf November 21st, 2007 2:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flamehaze94 (Post 3103589)
At least Blaziken can Baton Pass and Endure/Salac/Reversal.....

Meh Endure/Salac/Reversal isnt good this gen due to the abundance of priority moves such as Ice Shard and because of Sandstream and Hail

Anti November 21st, 2007 2:12 PM

Endure + reversal kinda sucks :/ Blaziken is only really useful if you scarf it IMO, since it's so dang slow.

Azonic November 21st, 2007 2:13 PM

Even though Endureversaling can have a 200 Base Power, it still falls to Dusknoir, Ice Shard users, Sandstorm, Hail, and other Quick Attack / Ice Shard / Vaccuum Wave / Shadow Sneak users.

~ Azonic

***EDIT: Okay now thats kind of pathetic. Two members beat me to post D:

ShadowAzelf November 21st, 2007 2:28 PM

=.= That's why I use AgiliSash...

Samson November 21st, 2007 2:37 PM

why would you give blaziken hp evs and focus sash too? ._. here's what i suggest:

Blaziken @ Expert Belt/Leftovers/Life Orb/Wide Lens/Leichi Berry/Salac Berry
Naughty Nature
240 ATK/140 SPD/128 SP ATK
-Flamethrower/Fire Blast
-Focus Punch
-Thunderpunch/Stone Edge
-Substitute

this gen, any vulnerable fire type like all the fire starters thus far can really pull off subpunch brilliantly. the only one who doesn't need sub punch is Infernape simply because he has Close Combat, but he still wants sub just as much as the rest of these guys.

give vaporeon bold nature ._.

that lickilicky set is intriguing. i'd advise you to go CB.

regice... amnesia, really? i don't think that's necessary =/ just max out its HP and it'll take special hits extraordinarily well... umm, well, besides cspecs overheat of course =X ... give it twave over amnesia.

uxie AND azelf? with regice, that's legendary overkill. i highly suggest you replace uxie for a physical wall who can deliver physical hits considering a large portion of your team is special. blissey walling this team -- it may happen.

Azonic November 21st, 2007 2:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowAzelf (Post 3103676)
=.= That's why I use AgiliSash...

Does it even make a difference? They both get KO'd by the same thing.

~ Azonic

ShadowAzelf November 21st, 2007 2:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samson (Post 3103697)
why would you give blaziken hp evs and focus sash too? ._. here's what i suggest:

Blaziken @ Expert Belt/Leftovers/Life Orb/Wide Lens/Leichi Berry/Salac Berry
Naughty Nature
240 ATK/140 SPD/128 SP ATK
-Flamethrower/Fire Blast
-Focus Punch
-Thunderpunch/Stone Edge
-Substitute

this gen, any vulnerable fire type like all the fire starters thus far can really pull off subpunch brilliantly. the only one who doesn't need sub punch is Infernape simply because he has Close Combat, but he still wants sub just as much as the rest of these guys.

give vaporeon bold nature ._.

that lickilicky set is intriguing. i'd advise you to go CB.

regice... amnesia, really? i don't think that's necessary =/ just max out its HP and it'll take special hits extraordinarily well... umm, well, besides cspecs overheat of course =X ... give it twave over amnesia.

uxie AND azelf? with regice, that's legendary overkill. i highly suggest you replace uxie for a physical wall who can deliver physical hits considering a large portion of your team is special. blissey walling this team -- it may happen.

Yeah, it's happened many times so far. I was thinking about using a Torkoal over Uxie. I could mix it.

Torkoal @Leftovers
Sassy Nature
EVs:252hp/200spdef/26attk/26spattk/4def

EQ
Heat Wave
Yawn/Explosion
Stealth Rock

I want to use that, but, I'm still breeding Torkoals.

I'd use that Blazeiken if I had one in Emerald =_=...
Quote:

Originally Posted by Azonic (Post 3103708)
Does it even make a difference? They both get KO'd by the same thing.

~ Azonic

You can get a free hit =.=...

Anti November 21st, 2007 3:10 PM

Yeah, THEN you get hammered by one of those moves was the point he was making...

Arcknight316 November 21st, 2007 3:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowAzelf (Post 3103454)
Torkoal/Bowser Jr. @Leftovers/Shuca Berry
Sassy Nature
EVs:252hp/200spdef/26attk/26spattk/4def

Heat Wave/Overheat/Gyro Ball
EQ
Explosion/Rapid Spin
Stealth Rock

OK.....where's Rapid Spin?

Infernape @ Focus Sash
Adamant/Jolly Nature
EVs:252attk/252spd/136hp

Reversal
Agility
Blaze Kick
Shadow Claw


Close Combat
Thunderpunch
Fire Punch/Flare Blitz
Ice Punch


What a strange moveset....use Infernape. I just made up this Infernape set on the spot, so feel free to tweak it.

Azelf/Young Link @Choice Scarf
Modest/Timid Nature
EVs:252spattk/252spd/4hp

Psychic
Grass Knot/Energy Ball
Flamethrower
Thunderbolt

OK.

Regice/Mr.Blissey @Leftovers
Modest Nature
EVs:252spdef/200hp/52def/4spattk

Charge Beam
Ice Beam
Thunder Wave
Seismic Toss/Thunderbolt

Changes made.

Lickylicky/Janemba @Chople Berry/Choice Band
Brave Nature
EVs:252attk/252hp/4def
Ability: Own Tempo

Thunder Punch
Power Whip
Explosion
Swords Dance/EQ

More defense, less attack.

Vaporeon/Mist Queen @Leftovers
Bold Nature
EVs: 252hp/126def/126spdef/4spattk

HP Electric/Substitute/Wish
Ice Beam
Baton Pass
Curse

OK.

Read... enjoy... rate

If this is you're first RMT, then your team is awfully good.

Anti November 21st, 2007 4:00 PM

Um darkknight, taking off attack on licki would be a really bad idea :/ the point was to inflict damage with a possible CB set you know :/

sims796 November 21st, 2007 4:03 PM

There is nothing wrong with Blazeiken. He likes it, it stays.

ShadowAzelf November 21st, 2007 4:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3103973)
There is nothing wrong with Blazeiken. He likes it, it stays.

Exactly.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3103968)
Um darkknight, taking off attack on licki would be a really bad idea :/ the point was to inflict damage with a possible CB set you know :/

Exactly.
Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3103856)
If this is you're first RMT, then your team is awfully good.

Thanks, I forgot Torkoal could learn Rapid Spin.
Ape can't learn Ice Punch, plus, Blaze is only 12% inferior to Infenape.
I'm dropping Regice for Regirock now...

Samson November 21st, 2007 5:26 PM

there is something wrong with blaziken... that set is bad =/

first, it has HP evs as well as Focus Sash. NO NO NO ._.

no.

then it has only physical moves... nooo.

you may as well give it choice scarf if all you're using it for is ONE agility. it gets in one agility, then uses blaze kick etc on one physical wall, they shrug it off, earthquake/brave bird/etc him for the sash activation, and if it's not donphan, then he'll attack first with reversal, hopefully KO the physical wall, and then they just send in something w/ intimidate/priority move, and blaziken is done for.

this is NOT taking weather into account.

ShadowAzelf November 21st, 2007 5:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samson (Post 3104121)
there is something wrong with blaziken... that set is bad =/

first, it has HP evs as well as Focus Sash. NO NO NO ._.

no.

then it has only physical moves... nooo.

you may as well give it choice scarf if all you're using it for is ONE agility. it gets in one agility, then uses blaze kick etc on one physical wall, they shrug it off, earthquake/brave bird/etc him for the sash activation, and if it's not donphan, then he'll attack first with reversal, hopefully KO the physical wall, and then they just send in something w/ intimidate/priority move, and blaziken is done for.

this is NOT taking weather into account.

The same thing'll happen with Overheat if I use the same Blaziken. I put in HP EVs so it won't get KO'd by weather effects, Poison, etc. Plus, it outruns enough with one Agility. If I were to make a Mixiken, this is the best I could get from it-

Blaziken @Focus Sash
Rash Nature
EVs:200spattk/56attk/252spd

Flamethrower
HP Ice
Reversal
Agility

Would THAT work better?! Seeing as I can't get a Thunder Punch from it, HP Ice is the best I can get.


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