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Sora_8920 November 24th, 2007 3:32 AM

Mismagius (F) @ Petaya Berry / Life Orb ** Ghostly Indvividual
Trait: Levitate
Modest / Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Thunderbolt / Dark Pulse / Shadow Ball
- Will-o-Wisp / Thunder Wave
- Pain Split. :P

Azonic November 24th, 2007 7:02 AM

Mismagius @ Lum Berry
Trait: Levitate
Nature: Timid
Evs: 252 SAttack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
- Shadowball
- Will-o-Wisp
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [ICE]

Will-o-Wisp since Mismagius has a bad defense, so most pokemon would want to pick on it. After the opponent is burned, then you can just sweep away ...

luke November 24th, 2007 8:05 AM

I'm going with Azonic's move set. Next, let's do Hariyama.

boo836 November 24th, 2007 10:01 AM

Hariyama:
@Lefties
Adamant, 252 att, 252 hp, 6 def
Trait:Guts
Brick break
Earthquake
Stone edge
belly drum/ poison jab/bullet punch.

That's my best, unless you could with sub puncher.

Anti November 24th, 2007 10:18 AM

Hariyama @ Choice Band
Trait: Guts
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Cross Chop / Revenge
- Thunderpunch
- Ice Punch
- Fire Punch

Believe it or not, this set actually works well. Quakeslide is another option.

Sora_8920 November 24th, 2007 11:30 AM

Hariyama (M) @ Leftovers ** The Karate Kid
Trait: Guts
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Satk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Knock Off
- Close Combat / Earthquake. :P

Anti November 24th, 2007 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3113064)
Hariyama (M) @ Leftovers ** The Karate Kid
Trait: Guts
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Satk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Knock Off
- Close Combat / Earthquake. :P

Um, isn't the idea of resttalking for stalling and to increase staying power? I don't think lowering defences with close combat really achieves that :/ Or randomly knocking off items, when chances are the item has already been knocked off...

Samson November 24th, 2007 1:07 PM

the funny thing is hariyama has so many options and is so underrated. you can adjust it to your team in anyway you need that does not include special attacking.

Hariyama @ Choice Band
Adamant Nature
252 ATK/252 HP/4 SPD
Ability: Guts
-Close Combat
-Thunderpunch/Earthquake
-Payback/Stone Edge/Knock Off
-Sleep Talk/Fake Out

easy

Hariyama @ Leftovers/Lum Berry/Wide Lens
Careful Nature
Ability: Thick Fat
224 HP/164 SP DEF/120 ATK
-Cross Chop/Close Combat
-Knock Off/Counter/Ice Punch
-Bulk Up/Protect/Substitute
-Stone Edge/Earthquake

can take special hits quite well and if you have a heatran or ice weak, he's your guy. there's no real function of it except to take hits, scare pokes like blissey and heatran away, and set up a sub/knock off/scout for moves. i wouldn't suggest using counter without bulk up.

Hariyama @ Sitrus Berry/Salac Berry
Impish Nature
Ability: Guts/Thick Fat
228 HP/100 DEF/180 SPD
-Close Combat
-Faint Attack/Thunder Punch
-Rock Slide/Stone Edge/Ice Punch
-Belly Drum

yeah, it's risky, but if it's a staller type team, you'll destroy it.

luke November 24th, 2007 1:16 PM

I can always count on Samson for unique move sets. =D

It has been requested we do Crobat next!

Sora_8920 November 24th, 2007 1:27 PM

Crobat (M) @ Choice Band ** Bat-Man
Trait: Inner Focus
Adamant / Jolly Nature
- Quick Attack
- Aerial Ace
- Pursuit
- U-Turn / X-Scissor. Mean Look and Hypnosis can't really work well on the fragile bat..

ChrisG14 November 24th, 2007 1:52 PM

Crobat(M) @ Leftovers *Batman FTW!*
Trait: Inner Focus
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Sp Atk / 252 Spd
~ Nasty Plot
~ Air Slash
~ HP Ground/Ice
~ Dark Pulse

luke November 24th, 2007 2:14 PM

Here's the deal: Smarties has brought to my attention the flaws in this thread. After reading what Smarties had to say, I have to agree. And this is my own fault. The discussion moved too fast, decisions were made in a rash manner, and the format was unorganized. So, frankly, we're starting over. This time, we'll give a certain Pokemon a day's worth of attention. You may post what you feel is an effective move set for that particular species and once we have several move sets, they will be discussed and as a group, we will decide what we consider the best move set. With some Pokemon, there won't be a single effective move set. Therefore, we will have links to the Request a Team / Move Set thread where you may ask for an alternative move set from the one listed. And for today, I'd like to start with a Pokemon we had discussed earlier today and I am interested in discussing myself:

Hariyama

EDIT: First page has been edited with some new rules and this post.

Sora_8920 November 24th, 2007 2:23 PM

Hmm. So a different set from the one posted earlier?

Hariyama (M) @ Choice Band ** Black Belt
Trait: Guts
EV's: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Ice Punch
- Cross Chop / Close Combat
- Thunderpunch
- Stone Edge. Yay. Credit to Anti for the whole Set. :P

Anti November 24th, 2007 2:26 PM

Hariyama is slower than any sleep inducer. Giving it jolly just seems stupid to me when it can hardly outspeed a relaxed natured steelix.

Sora_8920 November 24th, 2007 2:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3113558)
Hariyama is slower than any sleep inducer. Giving it jolly just seems stupid to me when it can hardly outspeed a relaxed natured steelix.

So Adamant? Thanks, though. Please don't state any other problems.

Anti November 24th, 2007 2:28 PM

I'm going to have to-CC and EQ is horribly redundant. An elemental punch would be of much more value to it than EQ...

Sora_8920 November 24th, 2007 2:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3113567)
I'm going to have to-CC and EQ is horribly redundant. An elemental punch would be of much more value to it than EQ...

I was joking. But it doesn't learn any E-Punches.. All except Bullet Punch. If that's considered an Elemental Punch. Good? Edit: It does through 3rd Gen. My mistake. ;/

Anti November 24th, 2007 2:39 PM

:/

Since relying on switching into gengar is probably a bad idea with it, I don't think sleep talk should be run on it unless it has rest, to be honest. If you'd rather switch into something like Blissey Twaving you (like me ;)), I'd run this set:

Hariyama @ Choice Band
Trait: Guts
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Cross Chop / Close Combat
- Thunderpunch
- Ice Punch
- Stone Edge

Mock boltbeaming give it the coverage it needs. The rest is prediction. blissey will switch out, probably to something like gengar. Or even Gyarados. Neither like taking thunderpunch right in the mouth ;) Stone edge is for flyers that might want to switch in, CC gets STAB.

Just throwing stuff out there ;)

Sora_8920 November 24th, 2007 2:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3113604)
:/

Since relying on switching into gengar is probably a bad idea with it, I don't think sleep talk should be run on it unless it has rest, to be honest. If you'd rather switch into something like Blissey Twaving you (like me ;)), I'd run this set:

Hariyama @ Choice Band
Trait: Guts
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Cross Chop
- Thunderpunch
- Ice Punch
- Stone Edge

Mock boltbeaming give it the coverage it needs. The rest is prediction. blissey will switch out, probably to something like gengar. Or even Gyarados. Neither like taking thunderpunch right in the mouth ;) Stone edge is for flyers that might want to switch in, CC gets STAB.

Just throwing stuff out there ;)

So switch out Close Combat for Chop and Sleep Talk for Ice Punch?

Anti November 24th, 2007 2:45 PM

Er, close combat would work fine over cross chop.

Sora_8920 November 24th, 2007 2:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3113623)
Er, close combat would work fine over cross chop.

Okay. I'll Edit again. :P

Anti November 24th, 2007 2:48 PM

Um, I already posted the set. no need to have two of the same thing :/

Sora_8920 November 24th, 2007 2:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3113629)
Um, I already posted the set. no need to have two of the same thing :/

Yes. But I agree with you on the set. Waiting for another idea..

Anti November 24th, 2007 2:55 PM

Well, if you want novelty........

Hariyama @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts / Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Adamant / Impish Nature
- Counter
- Bulk Up
- Rest
- Revenge

Um...I dunno :/

Sora_8920 November 24th, 2007 3:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3113656)
Well, if you want novelty........

Hariyama @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts / Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Adamant / Impish Nature
- Counter
- Bulk Up
- Rest
- Revenge

Um...I dunno :/

I didn't say Novelty. I just mean somebody else's Set. :/


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