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Azonic November 24th, 2007 3:23 PM

Hariyama @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Attack / 252 HP / 4 Defense
- Close Combat
- Substitute / Sleep Talk
- Ice Punch / Stone Edge / Knock Off
- Earthquake

Sleep Talk can annoy the frack out of Breloom, Gengar, and Milotic. Substitute is there to protect it from damage since it can't take hits that well - even with that HP stat. Close Combat is self explanitory. Stone Edge / Icepunch and Earthquake provide excellent coverage and it hits every pokemon with at least normal effectiveness except for Bronzong, which it already has Close Combat for. Knock Off can tear apart Choiced pokemon and many others.

Sora_8920 November 24th, 2007 3:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azonic (Post 3113774)
Hariyama @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Attack / 252 HP / 4 Defense
- Close Combat
- Substitute / Sleep Talk
- Ice Punch / Stone Edge / Knock Off
- Earthquake

Quote:


Me: Hariyama (M) @ Leftovers ** The Karate Kid
Trait: Guts
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Satk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Knock Off
- Close Combat / Earthquake.

Anti: Or randomly knocking off items, when chances are the item has already been knocked off...
There you go, Azonic, that's what Anti said when I posted a Set similar to that ;)

Samson November 24th, 2007 3:31 PM

there's nothing wrong with sleep talk on a CB set. gengar isn't that great of a threat when it has 252 HP evs. the max that Timid max sp atk Gengar can do to 252 HP Adamant Hariyama is 47.8%. yeah, sure that's nearly half, but if there's no one else to absorb sleep, then it's much better than allowing him to sweep your team.

but he really doesn't need CB anyway. switching into status w/ choice items is just something i'm fond of.

shedinjask November 25th, 2007 3:08 PM

Hariyama @ Leftovers
40 HP/252 Def/216 SDef -- Careful
Knock Off
Revenge
Counter
Whirlwind

Bulky support.

J-Rad November 25th, 2007 3:26 PM

i saw a guy on Youtube use 1 of these

[email protected] orb
ability: guts
252hp/148attack/rest Def
Close Combat
stone-edge
knock-off
protect

w/ guts boost it wuz a monster since it can decently take hits...

Sora_8920 November 25th, 2007 3:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragonzilla25 (Post 3117714)
i saw a guy on Youtube use 1 of these

[email protected]
ability: guts
252hp/148attack/rest Def
Close Combat
stone-edge
knock-off
protect

w/ guts boost it wuz a monster since it can decently take hits...

Um. Protect makes you get hurt by Toxic. And the whole reason of that Set is to abuse Guts's boost and Sweep the oppoenents Team somewhat.

J-Rad November 25th, 2007 3:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3117726)
Um. Protect makes you get hurt by Toxic. And the whole reason of that Set is to abuse Guts's boost and Sweep the oppoenents Team somewhat.

yeah thats exactly what he/she did...

Faceless* November 25th, 2007 3:38 PM

Toxic Spikes always good news for Heracross =P

luke November 25th, 2007 3:56 PM

Hariyama @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Guts
Nature: Impish
EV Spread: 252 HP / 148 ATK / 110 DEF

- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Knock Off
- Protect

By Dragonzilla - Physical Sweeper / Support / Guts Abuse

Hariyama @ Leftovers
Ability: Guts / Thick Fat
Nature: Careful
EV Spread: 40 HP/252 Def/216 SDef

- Knock Off
- Revenge
- Counter
- Whirlwind

By Shedinjask - Support

Hariyama @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 HP / 252 ATK / 4 DEF

- Close Combat
- Substitute / Sleep Talk
- Ice Punch / Stone Edge / Knock Off
- Earthquake

By Azonic - Sleep Absorb / Physical Sweeper

Hariyama @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts
Nature: Adamant
EV Spread: 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 SPDEF

- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Knock Off
- Close Combat / Earthquake.

By Itachi / Smogon - Bulky / Sleeptalker Set

Hariyama @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts / Thick Fat
Nature: Adamant / Impish
EV Spread: 252 HP / 4 ATK / 252 DEF

- Counter
- Bulk Up
- Rest
- Revenge

By Anti - Novelty Set

Hariyama @ Choice Band
Trait: Guts
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 HP / 252 ATK / 4 SPDEF

- Cross Chop
- Thunderpunch
- Ice Punch
- Stone Edge

By Anti - Mock Boltbeamer / Choice Bander


Alright, there are all the sets that have been posted. I feel it will be difficult to choose a better set out of these numerous sets.

For now, let's move on to another Pokemon. For this round, let's go with:


Honchkrow

Sora_8920 November 25th, 2007 4:06 PM

You know, Loquacity, I always thought you were the best Mod. w/ Webbed Feet. 0_o

Honchcrow (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Insomina
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Roost
- Thunder Wave
- Dark Pulse
- HP [Ground]. 0_o I don't like to Copy from Smogon, but if you say it was from Smogon..

Eos Aduro November 25th, 2007 4:42 PM

You ALWAYS used to copy from Smogon.

Honchkrow-Lefotvers
Jolly-252 Speed, 172 HP, 84 Attack
Perish Song
Mean Look
Sucker Punch
Roost

Just made it up, looks pretty flawed. I dunno, could do some trapping and sucker punching

boo836 November 25th, 2007 4:42 PM

Sp. sweeper:

Honchcrow
@lefties
Evs:252 spatt, 252 spd, 4 hp
Hp [fighting]
dark pulse
nasty plot
roost

Or physical sweeper:

Honchcrow
@lefties
Evs:252 att,, 252 spd, 4 hp
drill peck
night slash
roost
steel wing

Honchcrow has a very limited offensive movepool sadly. :(

J-Rad November 25th, 2007 4:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boo836 (Post 3118048)



Honchcrow
@lefties
Evs:212 att, 40 spatt, 252 spd, 4 hp
drill peck
night slash
roost
steel wing

Honchcrow has a very limited offensive movepool sadly. :(

why spatt on a pysical set???

Eos Aduro November 25th, 2007 4:47 PM

Also Return over Steel Wing on that set

boo836 November 25th, 2007 4:50 PM

I was trying to figure out a mixed set and I had already typed out the Evs and then I found that there was not a good one so I changed the movepool and entered it...

Bishopk November 25th, 2007 4:55 PM

Honchkrow @ Leftovers
Ability: Super Luck
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Night Slash
- Roost
- Thunder Wave/Payback/Steel Wing (?)

It's got a fairly limited moveset.

Eos Aduro November 25th, 2007 4:56 PM

Drill Peck over Wing Attack

Bishopk November 25th, 2007 4:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3118115)
Drill Peck over Wing Attack

Right. :P Must look closer at Serebii next time.

Sora_8920 November 25th, 2007 5:11 PM

Also, Thunder Wave would have the most benefit for the last Slot.

ChrisG14 November 25th, 2007 5:54 PM

Specskrow:
Mafia [email protected] Specs
Trait: Super Luck
Nature: Modest
EV's: 200 Spd/ 252 Sp. Atk/ 58 HP

-Shadow Ball
-Dark Pulse
-Roost
-Psychic

Roost for when if you come into SR, also tricks the opponent into thinking it's a regular Honchkrow. Then BAM.

luke November 25th, 2007 5:57 PM

Let's not forget that Honchkrow can learn Nasty Plot.

Azonic November 25th, 2007 6:38 PM

Roost with Choice Specs is a no.

Honchkrow @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Super Luck
Nature: Naive
EVs: 200 Attack / 56 SAttack / 252 Speed
- Night Slash
- Drill Peck
- Hidden Power [FIGHTING]
- Return

[email protected] Sash
Trait: Super Luck
Nature: Naive
EVs: 252 Speed / 200 Attack / 52 SAttack
- Thunder Wave
- Night Slash / Dark Pulse
- Drill Peck
- Hidden Power [FIGHTING]

luke November 25th, 2007 7:35 PM

Roost on the Choice Specs set is a ploy to get the opponent to believe your Honchkrow isn't locked into one move. Then you surprise them with a powerful strike.

Eos Aduro November 25th, 2007 7:44 PM

After switching that is. I love how my horrid set never even get mentioned for being horrid. Also, Honchkrow, I dont think can really pull Nasty Plot off without a Sash, so hmm

Honchkrow-Focus Sash
Timid-252 Speed, 252 SpAtk, 4 HP
Nasty Plot
Dark Pulse
HP Fighting
Psychic/Shadow Ball/Thunder Wave???

Samson November 25th, 2007 9:39 PM

Honchkrow @ Leftovers/Lum Berry
Adamant Nature
Ability: Insomnia
252 ATK/252 HP/4 DEF
-Drill Peck
-Sucker Punch
-Taunt
-Substitute

basic idea. it's walled by any basic physical wall, but behind a sub, no one is going to like being Taunted. so really, anything that walls it is not going to like being tuanted, so it's an effective set. the only things that ACTUALLY wall it is faster Taunters like Gyara and even he doesn't like getting a Drill Peck right in the pooper.

Honchkrow @ Leftovers
Bold/Modest Nature
[252 HP/140 DEF/116 SP ATK] or [180 SPD/124 HP/204 SP ATK]
-Dark Pulse
-HP Electric/Nasty Plot/Calm Mind
-Substitute/Roost/Nasty Plot
-Thunder Wave/Icy Wind/Calm Mind/Nasty Plot

dark pulse is always a must, and thunderwave is pretty important too. the other moves are all about options. dark pulse + hp electric covers just about everything except cacturne. this set could easily be transformed into a mixed set, but i like CM and some people are extremely fond of Nasty Plot.


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