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Samson December 9th, 2007 12:49 PM

i just use plain 252 SP ATK/252 HP choice specs octillery. it's quite bulky and never disappoints with its attacks.

Arcknight316 December 11th, 2007 3:37 PM

Octillery works well with Speed Passes.

luke December 11th, 2007 4:22 PM

I will be summarizing the last few Pokemon soon. However, let's begin a new discussion:

Masquerain

Anti December 11th, 2007 6:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3162398)
Octillery works well with Speed Passes.

Not choice sets though.

And masquesrain? Woah...hold on, I have an OLD set from an old Netbattle NU team of mine...gimme some time to dig it up and convert it to 4th gen terms, lol

Eos Aduro December 11th, 2007 6:29 PM

Could be a NU special tank.

Masquerain-Leftovers
Calm-252 HP, 182 SpDef, 80 Special Attack
Haze/Ice BEam/Agility
Hydro Pump
Roost
Stun Spore/Air Slash/Baton Pass

AgiliPassing or Hazer or attacker

Samson December 11th, 2007 8:27 PM

if they would've retained its bug/water typing, it'd be well worth the use. since it isn't, the only thing i can imagine giving it is a wide lens or choice scarf set. the wide lens set would revolved around switching it in on physical attackers so it can intimidate then use stun spore or retaliate with hydro pump/air slash. scarf would be focused on hazing and getting in ice beam/bug buzz to sweepers weak to it.

could also run choice specs, but that's a long shot given its bad speed and mediocre defenses. could probably do well against bulky waters and grounds, but it has difficulty everywhere else.

boo836 December 17th, 2007 1:37 PM

Masquerain: @Wise glasses
Nature:Modest
Evs:252 spatt, 252 spdef, 6 hp Don't know but this is a try.
Energy ball
bug buzz
air slash
ice beam

Also,it could maybe be a phazer.

Possibly a weaker special tank in NU. (Well it's not really a tank because it still has bad hp but don't all NU pokes?)

Edit: Wow, I didn't see that midnight winged already said he could be a tank.

Azonic December 27th, 2007 8:16 AM

Meh, Masquerein is tricky to handle.

Masquerain @ Petaya Berry / Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
Nature: Timid / Modest
EVs: 252 Speed / 252 SAttack / 4 HP
- Substitute
- Agility / Baton Pass
- Stun Spore / Bug Buzz / Toxic
- Haze / Whirlwind / Swagger

oh how low this thread has dropped.

sims796 December 27th, 2007 9:07 AM

This thread MUST be updated. I have no idea what's going on.

Romo_Owens January 5th, 2008 7:00 PM

Masquerain

trait: Intimidate
Moveset:
Agility
Bug Buzz
Air Slash
whirlwind/baton Pass/roost
Items: Focus Sash
evs: 216 spd/252 sp.atk/36 hp
nature: modest (+sp.ak,-atk), timid (+speed,-atk)

Abysmal stats and pretty bad typing but it's movepool isn't too bad and has a lot of options in the final moveslot once it hits agility. It doesn't have the special attack to sweep but it can do a little bit of damage with stab special attacks air slash and bug buzz. As for the final moveslot you can either whirlwind your opponent away if you don't like the matchup, use roost to recover damage or the most viable choice, baton pass the agility to the next pokemon in line. Whirlwind can just give a worse opponent, or masquerain can just get knocked out before it can use it. As for Roost, it doesn't have neither the HP nor the defenses to use it effectively

luke January 6th, 2008 8:24 PM

Sorry guys. Been really busy with other stuff, but will get to it. Big changes coming for this thread soon, so don't worry. However, I have a new Pokemon for everyone:

Grumpig

sims796 January 6th, 2008 8:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3231335)
Sorry guys. Been really busy with other stuff, but will get to it. Big changes coming for this thread soon, so don't worry. However, I have a new Pokemon for everyone:

Grumpig

THANK YOU! This thread does need it's constant supervision.

YAY! GRUMPIG! He is a very valuable team member of mine. Here is my set:

[email protected]***Lumas
NAture:Calm
Ability:Thick Fat
Psychic
Charge Beam
Rest
Magic Coat/Thunder Wave
EV:252 HP, 52 SP.ATK, 200 SP.DEF

This is the Pig on my permenant team, & it works wonders. Magic Coat is just a personal favorite. It is very fun to use, especially on those bastard Flinchkiss & dumbarse Dusknoir who always try Will-O-Wisp. It even stops Metal Sounding Heatran (Har har! You know who!)

Thunder Wave, though, is the superior choice. Less situational. I'm not only the Vileplume/Noctowl man, ya know!

Anti January 6th, 2008 8:50 PM

Been DYING for Grumpig, I have the funnest set I've been running with that thing that is really lol and fun to use.

Grumpig @ Macho Brace
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Trick
- Psychic
- Reflect
- Light Screen

My preferred choice for the massacre of mixed infernape. Macho Brace will slow down anything, and is also great for Hera switch-ins.

Then it pseudo-passes to a sweeper to allow it to takes hits while you wipe out a pokemon or two. You can also run the likes of Grass Knot over Light Screen for attacking options against swampert and the likes.

Oh, Gengar will always try to shadow ball you, which will result in quite the speed drop lol

EDIT: As is Twave, sims' post reminded me of that :P

EDIT 2: Thunder Wave is actually really good for slowing down an entire team.

But also, if you're lucky enough to trick macho brace onto a choice item user, you can use a trickband strategy later. For example, if you trick with a specmence, you can come in later and use trick to put choice specs onto something like a steelix. It's fun to play around with.

Samson January 6th, 2008 9:30 PM

anti, no offense, but i don't see the point in tricking macho brace. it's a moot choice of item when it has thunderwave. risking the chance of getting a choice item or an item bad for it in exchange for the opponents speed being lowered... eh.

sims796 January 6th, 2008 9:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3231359)
Been DYING for Grumpig, I have the funnest set I've been running with that thing that is really lol and fun to use.

Grumpig @ Macho Brace
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Trick
- Psychic
- Reflect
- Light Screen

My preferred choice for the massacre of mixed infernape. Macho Brace will slow down anything, and is also great for Hera switch-ins.

Then it pseudo-passes to a sweeper to allow it to takes hits while you wipe out a pokemon or two. You can also run the likes of Grass Knot over Light Screen for attacking options against swampert and the likes.

Oh, Gengar will always try to shadow ball you, which will result in quite the speed drop lol

EDIT: As is Twave, sims' post reminded me of that :P

EDIT 2: Thunder Wave is actually really good for slowing down an entire team.

But also, if you're lucky enough to trick macho brace onto a choice item user, you can use a trickband strategy later. For example, if you trick with a specmence, you can come in later and use trick to put choice specs onto something like a steelix. It's fun to play around with.

Or, if you Trick Macho Brace onto Forretress. Not so fun there, huh?

Anti January 6th, 2008 9:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samson (Post 3231400)
anti, no offense, but i don't see the point in tricking macho brace. it's a moot choice of item when it has thunderwave. risking the chance of getting a choice item or an item bad for it in exchange for the opponents speed being lowered... eh.

Oh, but it works. Besides, usually it's a big, powerful physical sweeper coming in to beat it down anyways, it's always fun to steal their CB (though getting life orbs sucks) and slow them down. It can open up room for slower sweepers like Metagross to hit harder.

Maybe bad in theory, but Trick Macho Brace actually works. I actually use it in ADV and have tried it a bit on shoddy now with a good success rate.

EDIT: I usually don't run Twave on it BTW, probably why I like macho brace ;)

EDIT 2: Oh, I have tricked a macho brace onto a steelix before, that thing has a killer Gyro Ball. It does have a risk factor, no doubt. But hey, I lvoe risks, probably why I like gimmick sets like that lol

sims796 January 6th, 2008 9:45 PM

That's the point. Maybe it's just me, but I have a knack on playing Trick users to my advantage. That & Knock Off users. As soon as you Trick Brace onto Forrry, I will then mess you up with Gya, or a poke who benifits from the item you stole.

Anti January 6th, 2008 9:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3231410)
That's the point. Maybe it's just me, but I have a knack on playing Trick users to my advantage. That & Knock Off users. As soon as you Trick Brace onto Forrry, I will then mess you up with Gya, or a poke who benifits from the item you stole.

I don't trick directly after :P I usually set up reflect. However, CBing a Gyara would be fun if I weren't taunted first lol

It usually only works once, occasionally twice, but it sometimes can make a huge difference, and to me, that's worth it (because I like gimmicks like that ;))

Besides, Trickband/Trickspecs is done so much better by Zam, might as well do something that the springy and bouncy pig does well.

Dark Azelf January 7th, 2008 8:00 AM

Magic Coat XDDDDDD

Damn you sims, that really screwed up my Metal Sound Heatran =[, Unfortunately it wont stop what Heatran is packing now Mwhahaahahahah !!

Both sets work.

Ive never tried Trick - Macho Brace, but it really could screw up incoming physical sweepers that rely on speed.

Theres also a Nice specs/Calm Mind set.


[email protected] Specs /Leftovers
Timid Nature
252 Sp.att / 220 speed / 38 HP
- Psychic
- Energy Ball / Grass Knot
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast / Calm mind

Looks nice, and has good coverage. Focus Blast could really wreck Weavile and T-Tar switch INS.


Calm mind w/ Leftovers and Focus Blast with specs.


Rest -Talk would also go nice on this guy IMO

Romo_Owens January 7th, 2008 8:49 PM

Grumpig isn't all that bad. It works pretty well as a semi-offensive special wall that has enough sp.def/hp to be an effective on in the UU/BL enviornment.

[email protected]

-Phychic
-Shadow Ball
-Calm mind
-Focus Blast
Calm Nature (+Sp.Def, -Atk)
252 sp.atk/252 sp. def

My personal set for Grumpig and I think it's as good as it gets. Calm mind boosts it's average special attack and it's powerful special defense. The main reason I believe Grumpig would leave the UU/BL enviornment to visit the Standards is because of it's typing. As a Psychic type it's the ideal counter for Standard Dark, Ghost and Psychic special sweepers; Alakazam, Gengar, Gardevoir and Starmie in particular. However, despite it's strategy to counter those pokemon, when it comes to the standard enviornment, walls with similar typing such as Bronzong, Dusknoir, Drifblim, Slowbro and Slowking just do it better so it better stay in borderline at best.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3232050)
Magic Coat XDDDDDD

Damn you sims, that really screwed up my Metal Sound Heatran =[, Unfortunately it wont stop what Heatran is packing now Mwhahaahahahah !!

Both sets work.

Ive never tried Trick - Macho Brace, but it really could screw up incoming physical sweepers that rely on speed.

Theres also a Nice specs/Calm Mind set.


[email protected] Specs /Leftovers
Timid Nature
252 Sp.att / 220 speed / 38 HP
- Psychic
- Energy Ball / Grass Knot
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast / Calm mind

Looks nice, and has good coverage. Focus Blast could really wreck Weavile and T-Tar switch INS.


Calm mind w/ Leftovers and Focus Blast with specs.


Rest -Talk would also go nice on this guy IMO

No it won't. Grumpig has horrible defense and speed. Weavile and Tyranitar outrun it and 1 Crunch/Night slash OHKOs it.

Anti January 7th, 2008 9:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romo_Owens (Post 3234236)
No it won't. Grumpig has horrible defense and speed. Weavile and Tyranitar outrun it and 1 Crunch/Night slash OHKOs it.

Notice the "switch ins" part of it.

You hit them on the switch, sicne they are going to come in to ruin your day and kill you, so you predict the switch and fight back. and Grumpig has a far higher speed base than TTar...and it can always set up refelct as well to avoid a OHKO.

sims796 January 9th, 2008 3:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romo_Owens (Post 3234236)
Grumpig isn't all that bad. It works pretty well as a semi-offensive special wall that has enough sp.def/hp to be an effective on in the UU/BL enviornment.

[email protected]

-Phychic
-Shadow Ball
-Calm mind
-Focus Blast
Calm Nature (+Sp.Def, -Atk)
252 sp.atk/252 sp. def

My personal set for Grumpig and I think it's as good as it gets. Calm mind boosts it's average special attack and it's powerful special defense. The main reason I believe Grumpig would leave the UU/BL enviornment to visit the Standards is because of it's typing. As a Psychic type it's the ideal counter for Standard Dark, Ghost and Psychic special sweepers; Alakazam, Gengar, Gardevoir and Starmie in particular. However, despite it's strategy to counter those pokemon, when it comes to the standard enviornment, walls with similar typing such as Bronzong, Dusknoir, Drifblim, Slowbro and Slowking just do it better so it better stay in borderline at best.

As Good as it gets? Really? Grumpig can actually fill some pretty good roles. My set allows him to be a full-fledge wall, resting to restore him to full strength. Charge Beam to boost himself up, plus Psychic+Electric is pretty good coverage, & Magic Coat, or Thunder Wave to be honest, is great for his disruptive move. Trick won't work for that set, as he needs the Lefties.

No it won't. Grumpig has horrible defense and speed. Weavile and Tyranitar outrun it and 1 Crunch/Night slash OHKOs it.

??? Faster than Ttar, you know.


You know that without max HP, it's not really walling much. Plus, with Thick fat, he can afford to have lower SP.DEF.

Anti showed the Trick set. He has the defenses to pull it off, although it has risk, like it or not.

And the Specs set works wonders. Why the hell would you leave it against Weavile, anyway?

shedinjask January 9th, 2008 5:38 PM

Quote:

Psychic+Electric is pretty good coverage
Claydol, Exeggutor, Shiftry, Cacturne, Steelix. All pretty common in UU/BL.

Samson January 9th, 2008 6:04 PM

that fits the description "pretty good", shedinjask. and while you may be naming some lower tier pokemon, some people take grumpig in consideration for cross-tier battles, me being one of them.

if you're going to give it specs, don't give it speed. give it HP, and give it trick.

it is faster than ttar, but is slower than CB/DD variants who run a lot of speed evs.

sims, i wouldn't call it a wall. it's a tank. it may perform for you as a wall when it's taking ice and fire hits for your team like none other, but it can't take strong hits all that well. that's where trick and thunderwave come into play on how well of a tank it is. but i must say, it's a brilliant infernape counter. super cute too ^.^

sims796 January 10th, 2008 10:21 AM

Well, it dances with Starmie & Gengar quite well (with Thunderwave) but it is very difficult to beat a Porygon-Z. Maybe because I use it with Magic Coat? I know T-Wave is more reliable, but Magic Coat is just too much fun.


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