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Anti November 22nd, 2007 6:48 PM

OMG OMG what got into Anti?
 
that's right. A 4TH GEN TEAM. I downloaded Shoddy to experience the inferior metagame. IMO at least ;) But yeah, I haven't plyed 4th gen in quite some time. It'll probably suck ;) So here goes:

Porygon-Z @ Choice Scarf ** Dimentio
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Tri Attack
- Thunderbolt
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam

Scarf Pory Z FTW. Er, I guess this is my special sweeper...

Medicham (♂) @ Choice Scarf ** Natalie
Ability: Pure Power
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Fire Punch
- Brick Break
- Psycho Cut
- Thunderpunch

Yeah, scarf medicham FTW.

Suicune @ Leftovers ** O' Chunks
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Roar
- Surf
- Rest

PHazer. I don't care if it lost power, I'll find a way to make it pwn ;)

Claydol @ Leftovers ** MiMi
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def/ 120 SDef
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Rest
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam

Spinner. I would put psychic, but nearly all my pokemon have a psychic move at this point :/ but lols at electivire that thinks it can ice punch me.

Gliscor (♂) @ Leftovers ** Count Bleck
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 252 HP / 44 Atk / 212 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Roost
- Earthquake
- Knock Off

Heracross counter and physical wall. Kock off to take away incoming pokemons' items.

Articuno @ Leftovers ** Dimension D
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 236 HP / 56 Def / 216 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Heal Bell
- Roost
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Electric]

Beller and boltbeamer. also a special wall.

Angelic Diablo November 22nd, 2007 6:51 PM

I seriously hope you mean Bold and not Naughty on your CMCune...

And I'd like to see Alakazam have Grass Knot or Energy Ball over Shadow Ball, because I see Swampert causing your team problems

Azonic November 22nd, 2007 6:52 PM

Well, two of your fairly decent pokemon, Claydol and Gliscor, can learn Stealth Rock. I suggest you attack Stealth Rock to one of the two as they can take hits as they set the Stealth Rock up.

Anti November 22nd, 2007 6:53 PM

Oh, bold on CMcune. I'm still getting used to working Shoddy's team builder, so some things are a bit...messed up ;) I'll edit through the first post...

And god I hate SR. Don't ask ;)

airconditioning November 22nd, 2007 7:29 PM

Off topic, but Anti, out of curiosity, what is it that you dislike about 4th gen? I've always been curious as to why you've called it an inferior metagame.

Shiraishi November 22nd, 2007 7:32 PM

4th gen is incredibly fast paced and offensively based which I guess he hates. Rest is lold at in 4th gen because of sweepers with CB/CS/Life orb.. A lot of strategies that were good in 3rd gen were shut down because of the sweeper power-ups. Also, Stealth rock made a lot of pokes near to useless(Charizard, Articuno..)

Anti November 22nd, 2007 7:32 PM

Ask anybody who's played both-ADV requires much more tactics, prediction, strategy, and overall skill. The ADV metagame is far superior. But I'm too hard on D/P. It isn't that bad, so I figure if Netbattle is giving me a bore or I feel liek a 4th gen fight, I'll go to Shoddy. But my god, I just got pwnt by somebody. Would've won (or gotten extremely close) has I ACTUALLY remembered to scarf my medicham ;)

EDIT: People who lol at rest I lol at. I'm not going to adjust to the metagame. I don't care if I lose for doing that. I know rest is great in the right hands. Besides, it's vital to CMcune.

EDIT 2: And yes, ADV had more stall wars. Win.

Samson November 22nd, 2007 11:14 PM

i highly advise you not to give medicham sleep talk. giving it sleep talk for someone like gengar who prefers to use Shadow Ball is not the greatest idea. and besides, if you can't handle gengar with someone else, than you can always falter that by just taking it in later for the outspeed + OHKO.

Iceman3k November 23rd, 2007 5:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3107629)
that's right. A 4TH GEN TEAM.
OH GOD, IT'S THE APOCALYPSE

I downloaded Shoddy to experience the inferior metagame. IMO at least ;) But yeah, I haven't plyed 4th gen in quite some time. It'll probably suck ;) So here goes:

Alakazam (♂) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Trick
- Energy Ball
- Psychic
- Focus Blast

Specs Zam. trick FTW. Er, I guess this is my special sweeper...
Energy Ball stays because Bulky Waters.

Medicham (♂) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Pure Power
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Ice Punch
- Brick Break
- Fire Punch / Psycho cut
- Thunderpunch

Yeah, scarf medicham FTW. sleep talk to lol at gengar who thinks it can lol at me ;)
Whoa, no dude. Especially on Medicham, Sleep Talk is FAR too risky.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Roar
- Surf
- Rest

PHazer. I don't care if it lost power, I'll find a way to make it pwn ;)
Yep

Claydol @ Nothing
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 120 SDef
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Rest
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam

Spinner. I would put psychic, but nearly all my pokemon have a psychic move at this point :/ but lols at electivire that thinks it can ice punch me.
This works.

Gliscor (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 252 HP / 44 Atk / 212 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Roost
- Earthquake
- Knock Off

Heracross counter and physical wall. Kock off to take away incoming pokemons' items.
Very Good.

Articuno @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 236 HP / 56 Def / 216 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Heal Bell
- Roost
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Electric]

Beller and boltbeamer. also a special wall.
He's fine too, I suppose.

Only thing I can see is a horrid Stone Edge + Waterfall Gyarados weakness. But you have Medicham to defend you on that end, I guess.

And be careful for Stealth Rock. It'll take Articuno down really harshly.

EDIT: Forgot you also have Suicune to defend against Gyarados, sorry ^^'

Sora_8920 November 23rd, 2007 6:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3k (Post 3108508)
Only thing I can see is a horrid Stone Edge + Waterfall Gyarados weakness. But you have Medicham to defend you on that end, I guess.

And be careful for Stealth Rock. It'll take Articuno down really harshly.

EDIT: Forgot you also have Suicune to defend against Gyarados, sorry ^^'

Um. How does Suicune defend agiesnt G-Dos? taunt completly destroys CM, and other then Roaring away, (which with Taunt, would disable). DD it can't do much. And without the Defensive Moves, it has a mere Surf. Which would make Gyarados laugh.

Iceman3k November 23rd, 2007 6:06 AM

Forgot Gyarados ran off of Taunt too.
Sorry, I'm still half-way asleep.

Anti November 23rd, 2007 8:48 AM

Okay, thanks guys. Made changes and such. But I'd really like a new special sweeper since gengar destroys me :/ One that isn't loled at by shaodw ball. Or maybe I'm nuts ;) So basically, I'm open to replacement ideas for Zam and Suicune. the others stay though :) Thanks again.

airconditioning November 23rd, 2007 8:50 AM

Porygon-Z actually lols at Shadow Ball.

Anti November 23rd, 2007 8:52 AM

I like that idea. Cuno boltbeams already, but sure, I'll try Pory Z. But first, Penguin is gonna clean me in a battle ;)

Sora_8920 November 23rd, 2007 9:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3109090)
I like that idea. Cuno boltbeams already, but sure, I'll try Pory Z. But first, Penguin is gonna clean me in a battle ;)

Penguin? Unless you mean Azonic, I don't know.. I thought we were gonna battle. O_O

luke November 23rd, 2007 9:08 AM

Anti, let me know what your name is on Shoddy. My name is the same as on here or if that account freezes, I'm also under "Kasumi_Lover" or "itslukey." Anyway, I highly suggest you use Scarf-Z as your lead. It's on my killer team and once I kill of their Cresselia/Blissey, they're screwed and usually leave the battle. I also suggest Hidden Power [Electric] over Roar. I know you want to use it as a Phazer, but I don't see much use for one on this team. And with a Calm Mind or two under it's belt, it'll have Skarmory lol'ing as they are OHKO'd.

Anti November 23rd, 2007 9:52 AM

I should be pretty obvious who Penguin is :/

Er, I replaced Zam, it wasn't doing much for me really. I like the CM variant better anyways ;) So Pory Z. though my Medicham lead is very effective, I'll decide eventually. I don't see the point of having three pokemon with electric moves. Eh, I dunno. I'm still adjusting ;) Well, Roar comes in handy too much. that's the one thing I never seem to change...roaring SD garchomp or whatever, it really helps. Skarm gets cleaned by pory Z and Cuno anyways.

Or am I just an idiot? lol

WifiFX November 23rd, 2007 10:25 AM

I would very closely consider Porygon2 over PorygonZ due to Porygon2's trace ability. Download really doesn't always help, and the only way it wouldn't help you is if you had a klutzing Lopunny without trick, which you will find pretty uncommon.

Swampert comes in first, Stealth rocks you, you're helpless. Give Alakazam Grass Knot over Trick. It could still hold choice specs, although you'd be screwed if the opposing team contained decently light Pokemon other than Swampert. Consider a focus sash.

For Suicune, 100 Sp.Def 252 Def, and 152 Hp. (Just because you're going to be calm minding doesn't mean it doesn't need Sp.Def.)

Dude, at least give our friend Claydol a chesto berry.

I like Gliscor, switch in when you predict an EQ, and EQ right back.

Articuno decent, roost to ditch your flying attributes, and just plain out attempt to special sweep.

OVERALL, nice team, but it could use some type covering.

airconditioning November 23rd, 2007 10:28 AM

Porygon-Z gets Adaptability, though, putting it a step above Porygon2 as far as sweeping goes (P2 is more of a tank).

Oh, and Anti, Porygon-Z doesn't get Synchronize. ;)

Sora_8920 November 23rd, 2007 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crimson Scizor (Post 3109325)
I would very closely consider Porygon2 over PorygonZ due to Porygon2's trace ability. Download really doesn't always help, and the only way it wouldn't help you is if you had a klutzing Lopunny without trick, which you will find pretty uncommon.

Swampert comes in first, Stealth rocks you, you're helpless. Give Alakazam Grass Knot over Trick. It could still hold choice specs, although you'd be screwed if the opposing team contained decently light Pokemon other than Swampert. Consider a focus sash.

For Suicune, 100 Sp.Def 252 Def, and 152 Hp. (Just because you're going to be calm minding doesn't mean it doesn't need Sp.Def.)

Dude, at least give our friend Claydol a chesto berry.

I like Gliscor, switch in when you predict an EQ, and EQ right back.

Articuno decent, roost to ditch your flying attributes, and just plain out attempt to special sweep.

OVERALL, nice team, but it could use some type covering.

Download IS actually helpful. This is breaking Rule #1 of Team Rater's rules. If you mean roost on Articuno, then it NEED's it. Chesto Berry? Are you kidding me? Calm Mind pretty much covers SDef. =/ Trick helps lot's for Zam. O_O K. That's about it. Anti is going to ask himself "Am I going to die?"

airconditioning November 23rd, 2007 10:32 AM

Oh, I actually didn't read the entirety of what Scizor posted.

Yeah, violation of rule #1.

Anti November 23rd, 2007 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crimson Scizor (Post 3109325)
I would very closely consider Porygon2 over PorygonZ due to Porygon2's trace ability. Download really doesn't always help, and the only way it wouldn't help you is if you had a klutzing Lopunny without trick, which you will find pretty uncommon.

And then I'll have no special sweeper.

Swampert comes in first, Stealth rocks you, you're helpless. Give Alakazam Grass Knot over Trick. It could still hold choice specs, although you'd be screwed if the opposing team contained decently light Pokemon other than Swampert. Consider a focus sash.

Um, claydol spins that crap away, and I don't have a Zam :/

For Suicune, 100 Sp.Def 252 Def, and 152 Hp. (Just because you're going to be calm minding doesn't mean it doesn't need Sp.Def.)

It need that HP, and Def. I would give it more SDef EVs, but there's a limit.

Dude, at least give our friend Claydol a chesto berry.

lol

I like Gliscor, switch in when you predict an EQ, and EQ right back.

Articuno decent, roost to ditch your flying attributes, and just plain out attempt to special sweep.

I'm not trying to sweep anything :/

OVERALL, nice team, but it could use some type covering.

Um, I don't have a Zam on my team :/ Medicham 2HKOs it and I can chip away at it if I have to. chestorest fails, period. It'll ALWAYS suck. Especially since I have Cuno to bell the sleep away.

Your logic with swampert is flawed: Either I hit is with medicham, it SRs, and I KO it, or it attacks me, but now SR isn't set up. You can't have it both ways :/ Even if I lead with Pory Z, it DOES NOT like taking Tri Attack. And I'm not trying to sweep anything with articuno. I kind of already gave it roost :/

Coverage? All of my pokemon (barring Suicune, who doesn't need it have tremendous coverage :/



Here, perhaps I should explain my startegy, since I must not have made it clear. I'll edit out my first post.

EDIT: I actually deleted Zam's moves and item, I forgot to change the ability ;)

Sora_8920 November 23rd, 2007 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3107629)
that's right. A 4TH GEN TEAM. I downloaded Shoddy to experience the inferior metagame. IMO at least ;) But yeah, I haven't plyed 4th gen in quite some time. It'll probably suck ;) So here goes:

Porygon-Z @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Tri Attack
- Thunderbolt
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam

Specs Zam. trick FTW. Er, I guess this is my special sweeper...

Medicham (♂) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Pure Power
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Fire Punch
- Brick Break
- Psycho Cut
- Thunderpunch

Yeah, scarf medicham FTW.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Roar
- Surf
- Rest

PHazer. I don't care if it lost power, I'll find a way to make it pwn ;)

Claydol @ Nothing
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def/ 120 SDef
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Rest
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam

Spinner. I would put psychic, but nearly all my pokemon have a psychic move at this point :/ but lols at electivire that thinks it can ice punch me.

Gliscor (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 252 HP / 44 Atk / 212 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Roost
- Earthquake
- Knock Off

Heracross counter and physical wall. Kock off to take away incoming pokemons' items.

Articuno @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 236 HP / 56 Def / 216 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Heal Bell
- Roost
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Electric]

Beller and boltbeamer. also a special wall.

Yeah. You confused us there. :/

Anti November 23rd, 2007 10:37 AM

Yeah, I edited it. I really should pay attention to these things ;)

WifiFX November 23rd, 2007 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3109346)
Um, I don't have a Zam on my team :/ Medicham 2HKOs it and I can chip away at it if I have to. chestorest fails, period. It'll ALWAYS suck. Especially since I have Cuno to bell the sleep away.

Your logic with swampert is flawed: Either I hit is with medicham, it SRs, and I KO it, or it attacks me, but now SR isn't set up. You can't have it both ways :/ Even if I lead with Pory Z, it DOES NOT like taking Tri Attack. And I'm not trying to sweep anything with articuno. I kind of already gave it roost :/

Coverage? All of my pokemon (barring Suicune, who doesn't need it have tremendous coverage :/



Here, perhaps I should explain my startegy, since I must not have made it clear. I'll edit out my first post.

EDIT: I actually deleted Zam's moves and item, I forgot to change the ability ;)

Lol
When I said type coverage, I meant for the opponant.

Suicune and Articuno = Electric if you don't roost quick enough, and most Electric types seem to out-speed Artic.

Claydol and Gligar = Ice....

You can turn Porygon2 into a special sweeper, it just won't help when you come across a +Attack ability.


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