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Lash November 23rd, 2007 11:37 PM

omg gurlfrand i need a team makeover
 
Alright, I recently got whooped by Romance Hero via WiFi. I obviously need help, so here we go. And make sure your eyes don't bleed at this horrific site.

Floatzel
Swift Swim
Naughty
Crunch
Iron Tail
Aqua Jet
Toxic

Lucario
Steadfast
Careful
Iron Tail
Drain Punch
Earthquake
Giga Impact

Garchomp
Sand Veil
Quirky
Dig
Dragon Rush
Slash
Crunch

Lopunny
Klutz
Gentle
Bounce
Healing Wish
Secret Power
Drain Punch

Roserade
Natural Cure
Relaxed
Sunny Day
Magical Leaf
Shadow Ball
SolarBeam

Infernape
Blaze
Lonely
Close Combat
Dig
Rock Tomb
Flare Blitz

Obviously you see the crappiness here. And I need newer, better, stronger Pokemon, not this pathetic group of weaklings I have now.

Maria Santos November 23rd, 2007 11:54 PM

hmm...
 
For Infernape, how about...

-Jolly Nature
-Blaze

-Close Combat
-Thunder Punch
-U-Turn
-Flare Blitz

And maybe for Garchomp...

-Adamant or Jolly
-Sand Veil

-Earthquake
-Crunch or Fire Fang
-Dragon Claw, Dragon Rush, Or Outrage. Whatever fits your style.
-Stone Edge or Fire Blast?

TP-BigWill November 24th, 2007 12:04 AM

Lol....You got Whooped by RH? XD
I own him With Sgt.Fisher and Lil Will
Well, here is what I would do.

Floatzel
Swift Swim
Naughty
Crunch
Iron Tail
Aqua Jet
Toxic

Well, I woud scratch Floatzel for personal Reasons and Replace it with a Blastoise for that lovely little tank. Seeing from this team, You got plenty of speed but no defense. Here's the moveset that would be unexpected. This one has more than suited for me

Blastoise @ Shell Bell
Adament-EV Spread- 252 atk/129 def/129 sp.def
Fake Out (chain breed from a seel)
Aqua Jet (breed from a seel)
Avalanche(Since Blastoise is always slow, Avalanche doubles damage once hit)
Brick Break/Earthquake (This one's all about preference)


Lucario
Steadfast
Careful
Iron Tail
Drain Punch
Earthquake
Giga Impact

I love Lucarios, and I hate the fact that they are classified as Ou since I rarely see them around. Here's a good Move Set for it

Lucario @ Focus Sash
Jolly (This should be your lead off batter)
Close Combat
Extreme Speed
Blaze Kick(Egg Move Off Blaziken)
Swords Dance/Earthquake/Stone Edge(personal Preference aswell)


Garchomp
Sand Veil
Quirky
Dig
Dragon Rush
Slash
Crunch

Chompy...I don't like them, way overused with the same moveset but they work. Here's a moveset.

Garchomp @ Life Orb/Choice band
Jolly
Outrage
Earthquake
Swordsdance
Dragon Rush


Lopunny
Klutz
Gentle
Bounce
Healing Wish
Secret Power
Drain Punch

Lopunny is a great Baton Passer. Teach it this for epic lulz.
Nothing like giving the waiting pokes some roids before battle.

Lopunny @ Focus Sash
252 atk, 252 HP, 6 spd
Agility
Swordsdance
Hi Jumpkick/return
Baton Pass


Roserade
Natural Cure
Relaxed
Sunny Day
Magical Leaf
Shadow Ball
SolarBeam

You needed a Sp sweeper. I like Roserade, but there are others that can fit here Let me show you the best flower possible.

[email protected] Plate
Modest
252 sp.atk 252 spd
Sunny Day
Solar Beam
Shadow Ball
Giga Drain


The Alternative to that is this:
My Manny has served me well and is a real A-hole to try and race with.

Manectric @ Focus Sash/Metronome
Timid
252 sp.atk, 252 spd
Thunder Bolt
Thunder Wave
Charge Beam-(80% chance of increasing your sp.atk)
Flame Thrower


Infernape
Blaze
Lonely
Close Combat
Dig
Rock Tomb
Flare Blitz

Infernape...Seeing as how all your pokes are all offensive...this might be an excellent time to make a tank. Anyone else can give you monkey advice and it'll all be the same. so here's my tank advice this one kills

Armaldo @ Lum/chesto berry
Cross Poison
Earthquake/Stone Edge
Xscissors
Rest-(Rest regenerates your health and if used correctly, you're berry will awake you same turn)


If you need some egg move pokes, I got no problem giving you some I have left over.

Romance Hero November 24th, 2007 12:07 AM

WILL YOU KNOW DAMN WELL I CAN BEAT YOU IF I TRIED! ^^ look at that... what you did... all you did was recommend your team. :/

Lose Floatzel and Lopunny for now, you need the basics, like I said, start easy with Skarmoy and Blissey... I'll let you search the threads for movesets and strategies. Good luck.

Lucario @ Expert Belt
Steadfast Inner Focus
Careful (I'm not sure about nature, he's a mixed sweeper, so you can go either way
Bone Rush
Close Combat
Dragon Pulse
Blaze Kick
(recommended to begin with, but I doubt it's the best)

TP-BigWill November 24th, 2007 12:20 AM

>:o

All I did was recommend her Manny Jr and Lucario! Thoose are the only members of my team!

Besides....You know Im up for a battle at any time......I raised Sgt.Fisher to be my poke Equivelent.

Sora_8920 November 24th, 2007 3:29 AM

Infernape (M) @ Life Orb ** My evil pet monkey
Trait: Blaze
EV's: 24 Atk / 232 Spd / 252 Satk
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Nasty Plot
- Flamethrower / Fire Blast
- Grass Knot
- Close Combat. Mixed...

airconditioning November 24th, 2007 5:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Madina Lake (Post 3111761)
Alright, I recently got whooped by Romance Hero via WiFi. I obviously need help, so here we go. And make sure your eyes don't bleed at this horrific site.

Floatzel
Swift Swim
Naughty
Crunch
Iron Tail
Aqua Jet
Toxic

Scrap Floatzel entirely. You need some defense. Also, Iron Tail is a bad move. The only two steel moves anyone should ever be using are Meteor Mash and Gyro Ball. Also, no Toxic on frail sweepers.

Lucario @ Choice Band
Steadfast
252atk/4def/252spd
Adamant
Iron Tail Crunch
Drain Punch Close Combat
Stone Edge
Giga Impact Blaze Kick/ ExtremeSpeed

CBLuke. Adamant Nature, 252/252/4 EV spread, etc. Iron Tail, even STABed, is still terrible. Drain Punch is weak as hell. Giga Impact, and all Hyper Beam moves, are terrible as well. They may do good damage one turn, but they leave you open to being killed/ set up on. Fighting and Ground cover similiar types, so replace EQ with Stone Edge.

On a side note, a STABed Close Combat does more damage than GIga Impact.


Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
252 atk/ 252 spd/ 4 HP
Sand Veil
Adamant
Earthquake
Dragon Claw/ Outrage
Fire Blast
Crunch/ Stone Edge

Scarfchomp. Outspeeds almost anything in front of it. Dig fails- it takes two turns to use, leaving your opponent free to switch in something that resists it. EQ instead. Also, EQ is more powerful. Dragon Rush has accuracy issues, so go with either Dragon Claw or Outrage (I prefer Outrage, for pure power). Slash isn't STABed, so replace that with Fire Blast to take out Skarm.

Lopunny
Klutz
Gentle
Bounce
Healing Wish
Secret Power
Drain Punch

Just scrap her. You need some walls anyway.

Roserade @ Choice Specs
Natural Cure
Timid
252 SAtk/ 252 Spd/ 4 HP
Sludge Bomb
Leaf Storm
Shadow Ball/ Energy Ball/ Weather Ball
Hidden Power [Fire]

SpecsRose, since Roserade is way too frail to pull off a Sunnybeaming set. The idea with this is to swtich in, hit fast and hard, then switch out.

Infernape @ Life Orb
Blaze
Naive
24atk/232spd/252spatk
Close Combat
Grass Knot
Nasty Plot
Flamethrower/ Fire Blast

MixNape, excellent for breaking down walls. Also, Dig fails, and Rock Tomb fails.

Obviously you see the crappiness here. And I need newer, better, stronger Pokemon, not this pathetic group of weaklings I have now.

Edits in bold. If you scrap Lopunny and Floatzel, that leaves you with 3 physical sweepers and one special sweeper. Scrap one of the physical sweepers for a wall. Also, are these guys EV trained? You didn't post EVs before...

Faceless* November 24th, 2007 5:53 AM

You can go Switcheroo Lopunny with Flame Orb that is unexpected, it's a 100% burn =)

Azonic November 24th, 2007 7:06 AM

Floatzel @ Life Orb
Nature: Jolly
Evs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
- Waterfall
- Ice Fang
- Thunder Fang
- Crunch

Lash November 24th, 2007 10:45 AM

I think I forgot to mention one thing.. I have no idea how to EV train:(
And even if I did, I would be too lazy to do it. I am too lazy to even want to go and find the needed items >>;;

luke November 24th, 2007 10:47 AM

Then you will never win my friend. X.x It's that simple. Do what's necessary or don't expect success.

Anti November 24th, 2007 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3112951)
Then you will never win my friend. X.x It's that simple. Do what's necessary or don't expect success.

Then what's the point of this thread? Im mean, without EV training, you can't win anyways, not to mention breeding, items, natures and the likes.

Lash November 24th, 2007 10:53 AM

But I heard that I can use an OU team, which doesn't require that EV training stuff.
I just suck at this game, so you can only guess my denial to EV training. Can't people just give me strong Pokemon? :(

Anti November 24th, 2007 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Madina Lake (Post 3112967)
But I heard that I can use an OU team, which doesn't require that EV training stuff.
I just suck at this game, so you can only guess my denial to EV training. Can't people just give me strong Pokemon? :(

Um, all battles, whether it's ubers, OUs, UUs, or even NUs requires EV training. If you don't EV your pokemon, you aren't going to win, it's that simple.

Lash November 24th, 2007 11:02 AM

There must be another way though. I have no idea how to EV train. Would and Action Replay help with EV training, and getting the needed items/Pokemon (Ditto+Everstone)?
I do got an Adamant Bagon in the box. Think it could amount to anything?

Anti November 24th, 2007 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Madina Lake (Post 3112996)
There must be another way though. I have no idea how to EV train. Would and Action Replay help with EV training, and getting the needed items/Pokemon (Ditto+Everstone)?
I do got an Adamant Bagon in the box. Think it could amount to anything?

Adamant bagon? you kidding me? CBmence! You already have a physical sweeper ;) But there is no other way. check out our 'compiled guides' sticky. It explains EV training. If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me.

airconditioning November 24th, 2007 11:09 AM

If you're too lazy to EV train, just use Shoddy Battle.

Anti November 24th, 2007 11:10 AM

Oh yeah, quite a good idea ^_^ Guess there IS another way ;)

Azonic November 24th, 2007 3:43 PM

Here's the EV Guide from my website:
Spoiler:

What are EVs?
"EV" stands for Effort Values. EV Training is a special type of training that can increase your Pokemon's strength by far! An EV trained pokemon is sure to be stronger than a non-EVed Pokemon. A Pokemon can gain the maximum of 510 EV points to split between the stats of HP, Speed, Attack, Defense, Special Attack, and Special Defense. Each individual stat can have the maximum capacity of 255 EV Points.
How do I get EV Points?
When you are in In-Game, battling specific Pokemon will give you some EVs in a certain stat. A Pokemon only gains EVs if it can gain Expertience Points. Whenever it gains Experience Points, the user gets EV Points. That means that if you run away, faint, or catch the opponent - you WILL NOT get EVs.
Each Pokemon provides different EV Points when they're defeated. They give a different number of EV Points as well as EVs in different stats.
How exactly does EV training help?
Like I said before, EV training can boost your Pokemon's strength significantly! So how does it boost your strength? Well, for each 4 Points you get while EV training, you get 1 extra Point in your stats. For instance: Starly provides 1 EV Point in Speed, so if you battle 4 Starlys, then your Speed stat will get one extra point. So that means if you max out your Speed EVs, then you will gain 63 extra Speed points. That means that a maxed EVed Speed stat will have 63 more points than the non-EVed pokemon!!!
I'm EV training, but my stats don't seem to change!What am I doing wrong?
You are doing nothing wrong. The results of EV training usually doesn't show up until your pokemon are at a later level. But not to worry, your EV work will be 100% shown.
Tips for EV Training ...
Well, there are some guidelines you should follow. Remember how you need 4 EVs to raise a stat? Well, 255 is not divisible by 4. So that means some of the EVs have no use! Thats correct. You should only get the maximum of 252 EVs in a stat. Be sure that the number of EV points you give to a stat is ALWAYS divisible by 4.
As you probably have noticed, EV training does take a long time. It requires patience and dedication in making a strong pokemon. So here's a tip: write your EV points down! Keep track of the EV points you've gained on a piece of paper - as I doubt you will be able to keep track of 252 EV Points all in your head!
Is there any way to speed up EV Training?
You're in luck: there is! Hold items can boost the amount of EVs a pokemon gains. Here are a list of items that increase EVs.
Stat Boosters - If you feed a Pokemon an item like Protein or Calcium gives you 10 EV points in the stat it raises.
HP Up --- Hitpoints
Protein --- Attack
Iron --- Defense
Carbos --- Speed
Calcium --- Sp. Attack
Zinc --- Sp. Defense

Macho Brace - Macho Brace will half your speed when it is held, but whenever you EV train, it doubles your EVs gained. For instance, Starly gives 1 Speed EV Point when it is defeated. So when a pokemon holding a Macho Brace defeats a Starly, it gains not one - but 2 EV points in their stat!
Power Items - Items like Power Anklet and Power Bracer will increase the EVs Gained by +4 EVs Points. So that means if a Pokemon holding a Power Anklet (Speed) defeats a Starly(1 Speed EV), it actually gets 5 EV Points in Speed instead of 1.
-Power Anklet --- boosts Speed EV training. When defeating Pokemon who give speed EVs the Power Anklet gives +4 in speed. For example, if you defeat a Starly you'll get 5 EVs in speed, one for initially defeating the Starly and four because your Pokemon is holding the Power Anklet

-Power Bracer --- boosts Attack EV training. When defeating Pokemon who give attack EVs the Power Bracer gives +4 in attack. For example, if you defeat a Machop you'll get 5 EVs in attack, one for initially defeating the Machop and four because your Pokemon is holding the Power Bracer

-Power Weight --- boosts HP EV training. When defeating Pokemon who give HP EVs the Power Weight gives +4 in HP. For example, if you defeat a Bidoof you'll get 5 EVs in HP, one for initially defeating the Bidoof and four because your Pokemon is holding the Power Weight.

-Power Belt --- boosts Defense EV training. When defeating Pokemon who give Defense EVs the Power Belt gives +4 in Defense. For example, if you defeat a Geodude you'll get 5 EVs in Defense, one for initially defeating the Geodude and four because your Pokemon is holding the Power Belt.

-Power Lens --- boosts Sp. Attack EV training. When defeating Pokemon who give Sp. Attack EVs the Power Lens gives +4 in Sp. Attack. For example, if you defeat a Ghastly you'll get 5 EVs in Sp. Attack, one for initially defeating the Ghastly and four because your Pokemon is holding the Power Lens.

-Power Band --- boosts Sp. Defense EV training. When defeating Pokemon who give Sp. Defense EVs the Power Band gives +4 in Sp. Defense. For example, if you defeat a Tentacool you'll get 5 EVs in Sp. Defense, one for initially defeating the Tentacool and four because your Pokemon is holding the Power Band.
Pokerus(PKRS) - Pokerus is NOT an item. It is a very rare disease obtained by battling a pokemon. The disease is even harder to obtain than a shiny pokemon! So if you get it, YOU ARE VERY LUCKY. This disease acts like the Macho Brace without the Speed halving. It doubles the EVs gained but the pokemon can still hold an item.


If you use Shoddy Battle, you're abandoning your game for an online battle simulator, keep that in mind. But EVs, IVs and Natures are definitely needed to build a strong team.


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