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ShadowAzelf November 24th, 2007 9:51 PM

Marowak + Emerald Move Tutor = ???age; Another Azelf RMT.
 
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My newset team, it consists of 1 legend, a few BLs and two OUs.
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Sceptile/Slicezor @Leftovers
Timid Nature
EVs:252spd/252hp

Leaf Storm
Leech Seed
HP Fire
Substitute

My favorite Subseeder, when a Weavile gets in, Sceptile can just use Leaf Storm/Subseed. Endeavor for anything that can hit it before it gets a chance to sub.

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Azelf/Young Link @Choice Scarf
Modest Nature
EVs:252spattk/252spd/4hp

Psychic
Flamethrower
Energy Ball
Thunderbolt

Ooookay, I'm giving Azelf Psychic since its Extrasensory can 7-8KO a Blissey. Energy Ball for when a Weavile gets switched in while I'm attacking Swampert.

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Bronzong/Zant @Lum Berry
Sassy Nature
EVs:252hp/60spattk/32def/136spdef

Gyro Ball
Charge Beam
Explosion
Hypnosis

My Dual Wall, it can switch in on Gengar, take a Hypnosis and kill it,.

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Blaziken/Yoruichii @Focus Sash
Rash Nature
EVs:232spattk/252spd/24attk

Reversal
HP Ice
Agility
Overheat

My new Mixed sweeper, Blaziken can kill Dragons, Steels and SkarmBliss. AgiliSash really is a good thing to do when it's pulled off sucessfully, Overheat is a nice Hit-And-Run after an Agilty-Reversal is pulled off.

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Medicham/Gretta @Choice Scarf
Adamant Nature
EVs:252attk/252spd/4hp

Psycho Cut
Thunder Punch
Ice Punch
Hi-Jump-Kick

My main physical sweeper, OMFG, SHE IS A MASSIVE BEAST, :) Just like Lopunny *sigh*...

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Marowak/Dark Link @Thick Club
Impish Nature
EVs:252attk/156hp/100def
Ability: Rock Head

Earthquake
Thunder Punch
Fire Punch
Substitute

This thing is a friggen BEAST, hitting a 508 attack and having a massive HP and Def, it can kill COUNTLESS things.

Samson November 24th, 2007 10:08 PM

geez do you really have to make every poke on your team about plain attacking?

maybe you should drop the whole sunnybeam set on tangrowth and give it sleep powder and knock off or something ._.

you should also drop someone for a special wall.

you could also use someone who can asborb status. what do you plan to do when something as common as gengar is putting something to sleep and shooting shadow balls shortly after?

Sceptile used Substitute
Gengar used Hypnosis... it missed
Sceptile used Leech Seed.
Gengar used Shadow Ball... broke sub.
Sceptile used Substitute. or Sceptile is switched out for Azelf (who is the only one on your team who can actually survive a Shadow Ball from Gengar).
Gengar used Shadow Ball... broke sub or broke Azelf (XD).
Gengar switched out for special wall.
Azelf uses Psychic/Flamethrower/Thunderbolt.
Special Wall giggles.

ShadowAzelf November 24th, 2007 10:19 PM

Okay, how about this Bronzong over Tangrowth?

Bronzong @Occa/Lum Berry
Sassy Nature
EVs:252hp/124def/132spdef

Hypnosis
Calm Mind
Explosion
Block/Psychic/Stealth Rock

Would that work?

Samson November 24th, 2007 10:30 PM

sure, that works (with Lum Berry of course), but you have to switch it in in the right time.

i suggest something like:

Bronzong @ Lum Berry
Sassy Nature
EVs: 252 HP/64 DEF/132 SP DEF/60 SP ATK
-Psychic
-Explosion
-Hypnosis
-Reflect/Light Screen

you need the extra evs to just about KO gengar in this scenario:

Sceptile used Substitute
Gengar used Hypnosis... it missed
Sceptile used Leech Seed.
Gengar used Shadow Ball... broke sub.
Sceptile is switched out for Bronzong.
Gengar used Shadow Ball... maybe 30-40%.
Gengar used Hypnosis.
Lulz Lum Berry!
Bronzong used Psychic.
Gengar, the ghost, died... again.

you have to make sure to switch it into an attack and not a status move. otherwise, the lum berry is pretty pointless and gengar w/ wall will just rip through the team.

ShadowAzelf November 24th, 2007 10:38 PM

K, thanks, I'll use that Bronzong

Sora_8920 November 25th, 2007 3:22 AM

Azelf need's Explosion for the hope of decently attacking Blissey.

ShadowAzelf November 25th, 2007 8:50 AM

I'd use that too if Marowak didn't take care of Blissey already, it avoids Thunder Wave and has BB.

Anti November 25th, 2007 8:52 AM

BB...if by that you mean brick break, STABed EQ does just as much damage ;) EDIT: not like anybody is going to keep blissey in against marowak...

ShadowAzelf November 25th, 2007 9:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3116659)
BB...if by that you mean brick break, STABed EQ does just as much damage ;) EDIT: not like anybody is going to keep blissey in against marowak...

>_< I just remembered it doesn't have BB. You're right about keeping in a Blissey on that though, 9 times out of 10, it'll either be Skarmory, Gyarados, Weavile, Foretress, or Bronzong that get switched it.

El Gofre November 25th, 2007 9:31 AM

Wow this teams like one big attacking beast. Not that im complainin, for some reason i really like this team. could do with a tad more defence, but seeing as its a very offensive team try a bulky water **cough**swampert**cough**

ShadowAzelf November 25th, 2007 10:00 AM

I don't see where a Pert would go... Bronzong does its job well (excluding SR-Roar). It only has a weakness to fire which most of my team can already handle nicely. It also avoids ScarfChomp, the ones with Fire Blast aren't much to worry about seeing as how most MixChomps run 252spd and they split the attack/spattk EVs, and a Fire Blast with a Spattk that doesn't even hit 270 can't be much of a problem for Zong.

El Gofre November 25th, 2007 10:03 AM

Yeah but if you get caught off guard and zong goes down, you've got nothing left that can take too many hits, with the exception of marowak. Might just be me im not too good at this :)

luke November 25th, 2007 10:58 AM

Trust me. A Fire Blast from a Naive Garchomp will put a BIG dent in Bronzong. Though, since your's runs Sassy, it won't do as much, but don't minimize the threat of Chainchomp. =[

ShadowAzelf November 25th, 2007 11:05 AM

K, I've updated the first post.

Shiraishi November 25th, 2007 11:10 AM

SpecsMence puts an end to Bronzong and then you have one screwed team. You need another wall.

ShadowAzelf November 25th, 2007 11:14 AM

=_= That's why I have Medicham...

Shiraishi November 25th, 2007 11:15 AM

SpecsMence hits and then runs. The fact that it OHKOs your only wall lets other pokes to rape/destroy/murder your team.

ShadowAzelf November 25th, 2007 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiraishi (Post 3116955)
SpecsMence hits and then runs. The fact that it OHKOs your only wall lets other pokes to rape/destroy/murder your team.

I know it hits and runs, most Choicers do... okay, gimme another wall that avoids spikes and can resist a Weavile aswell as SpecsMence.

Shiraishi November 25th, 2007 11:26 AM

I don't think there is a flyer that could resist Weavile (other than Skarmory who dies to SpecsMence)

Samson November 25th, 2007 11:34 AM

i wouldn't bother shadow. you have several counters for mence.

i will tell you to rethink your sceptile. the set it has is completely retarded (no offense). why would you give it max HP if the point was to survive with Focus Sash at 1 HP, and then endeavor + quick attack? i'm sorry but that's... retarded. moreover, why would you give it YACHE BERRY? start using some logic here =/

Sceptile @ Leftovers/Wide Lens
Jolly/Timid Nature
252 SPD ---->(252 SP ATK/4 HP) or (164 HP/92 ATK) or (172 HP/84 SP ATK)
-Leaf Storm/Energy Ball/Dragon Pulse/Leaf Blade/Dragon Claw
-Dragon Pulse/Focus Blast/Protect/Grass Whistle/Focus Punch/Swords Dance
-Substitute
-Leech Seed

yes, i know. so many options, but at least its a plausible use of sceptile.

ShadowAzelf November 25th, 2007 11:49 AM

Alright, I changed Sceptile...

Sora_8920 November 25th, 2007 5:08 PM

Adamant please on Marowak. It can't defend for it's life.

J-Rad November 25th, 2007 5:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3118171)
Adamant please on Marowak. It can't defend for it's life.

that and i like focus punch on my marowaks makes it even more of a beast...

ChrisG14 November 25th, 2007 5:35 PM

Really, the only plausible way to use Marowak is on a Trick Room team, it's deadly. Without that, it gets OHKO'd pretty easily. Even with Defense and HP EVs, it gets taken down before it can even hit. Not as bad as Rampardos, but you get what I'm saying. I'd suggest put it on a TR team or switch it for something bulkier and faster like Electivire w/Expert Belt.

J-Rad November 25th, 2007 5:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisG14 (Post 3118258)
Really, the only plausible way to use Marowak is on a Trick Room team, it's deadly. Without that, it gets OHKO'd pretty easily. Even with Defense and HP EVs, it gets taken down before it can even hit. Not as bad as Rampardos, but you get what I'm saying. I'd suggest put it on a TR team or switch it for something bulkier and faster like Electivire w/Expert Belt.

or u can catch some1 on the switch then its a beast...

ChrisG14 November 25th, 2007 5:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragonzilla25 (Post 3118264)
Or u can catch some1 on the switch then it's a beast...

That's true, but Electivire covers your bases better with a bit more HP then most sets usually have for it.

Shiraishi November 25th, 2007 6:56 PM

How is Electivire bulky o.0 His def is horrible, his avg sp def is the only thing defensive about him ._.

Anti November 25th, 2007 7:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisG14 (Post 3118258)
Really, the only plausible way to use Marowak is on a Trick Room team, it's deadly. Without that, it gets OHKO'd pretty easily. Even with Defense and HP EVs, it gets taken down before it can even hit. Not as bad as Rampardos, but you get what I'm saying. I'd suggest put it on a TR team or switch it for something bulkier and faster like Electivire w/Expert Belt.

Um, I'd like to point out jaskwak was quite the beast in ADV :/

Um, marowak has TREMENDOUS base defense. It's WAY bulier than Vire :/

ShadowAzelf November 25th, 2007 8:27 PM

What OHKO's it besides pokes with special moves? It can take an Adamant Weavile's Ice Punch and live, c'mon, I can just switch on special pokes <.<...

Samson November 25th, 2007 9:45 PM

special pokes? you don't have any ._.

sceptile with max hp might be able to survive an ice beam, but i wouldn't count on it.

ChrisG14 November 26th, 2007 7:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3118657)
Um, I'd like to point out jaskwak was quite the beast in ADV :/

Um, marowak has TREMENDOUS base defense. It's WAY bulier than Vire :/

You're right, I mean to say FASTER, as jaskwak doesn't really work in D/P. Most people sense it and PHaze you right back. I guess I've always liked it better on TR teams

ShadowAzelf November 26th, 2007 12:59 PM

Okay, I've worked out a few scenarios to show why I'm choosing Wak > Vire.

Scenario 1: Scarf Vire-

I send out Electivre.
Oppenent sends out a Skarmory.
I use T-Bolt.
Skarmory switches into another Vire.
T-Bolt activates Motor Drive.
Oppenent's Vire sweeps my team.

Anything that's weak to electric moves can be used with another Vire, ScarfVire is forced to switch out while an Expert Belt-Vire can just rape my team.

Scenario 2- BeltVire:

I send out Electivre
Opponent sends out Weavile/Garchomp.
Garchomp outspeeds Vire's pitiful speed and kills it.
Vire uses Fire Punch on Vile, actiavting its Sash.
Weavile uses SD and kills Vire.

Electivire has low speed, with an Expert Belt, anything with a 330 speed or higher can kill it.

Scenario 3- Wak vs Gross/Agiligross/ScarfChomp/ScarfVile:
I send out Wak.
Oppenent send out Metagross.
Meta uses Ice Punch.
Wak survives.
Wak uses EQ, kills Gross.

Vs AgiliGross

Meta uses Agility
Wak uses EQ and gets at least a 2KO on Gross.

Vs ScarfChomp

Chomp uses Outrage
Wak uses Sub.
Chomp uses Outrage.
Breaks Sub.
Wak uses EQ
Chomp gets confused.
Wak uses another EQ.

Vs ChoiceVile

Weavile uses Ice Punch
Wak uses Fire Punch.

Vs ScarfVire

Vire uses Ice Punch
Wak uses EQ.

Vs BeltVire

Vire uses Ice Punch
Wak uses EQ.

Shiraishi November 26th, 2007 1:05 PM

Why in the world would you keep Electivire against a Garchomp. Skarmory switching away from a T-bolt is painfully obvious..You completely forgot prediction in your scenarios.

ShadowAzelf November 26th, 2007 1:07 PM

Um, yes, I knew that <_<... well, either way, Chomp forces Vire to switch and ANYTHING weak to electric moves can be used with Vire.

soultenny November 26th, 2007 2:25 PM

I personally use Marowak and here's some tips for you.

1. I recommand that you change the nature into "Jolly"

You probably will not need Adamant since its attack is already beastly.

2. Give it Speed EVs instead of D EVs.

Marowak is supposed to sweep, and to do this, You will need LOTS of Speed.

*or you could just use ninjask.

3. Lastly, give it Double-Edge.

whats the point of having Rock Head if you are not going to use Double-Edge?

Sora_8920 November 26th, 2007 2:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soultenny (Post 3119750)
I personally use Marowak and here's some tips for you.

1. I recommand that you change the nature into "Jolly"

You probably will not need Adamant since its attack is already beastly.

2. Give it Speed EVs instead of D EVs.

Marowak is supposed to sweep, and to do this, You will need LOTS of Speed.

*or you could just use ninjask.

3. Lastly, give it Double-Edge.

whats the point of having Rock Head if you are not going to use Double-Edge?

Um. Marowak has decent Defenses. He doesn't have to Sweep. And Adamant is actually perfect on him.

soultenny November 26th, 2007 2:42 PM

Ah didnt know that'

Never thought of "Marowak Wall" 8)

And I prefer jolly natures for no reasons. * maybe its just my personality.

airconditioning November 26th, 2007 2:43 PM

1) Wak's speed is so low already that nothing you do will make a difference. May as well put it all into attack. Seriously, he has 45 base speed.

2) See point 1. Since Wak has decent defenses, you really would want to focus on it.

3) STAB EQ does more than Double Edge and has better coverage.

EDIT: Having decent defenses doesn't automatically make it a wall. Wak's really more of a bulky attacker.

ShadowAzelf November 26th, 2007 2:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soultenny (Post 3119750)
I personally use Marowak and here's some tips for you.

1. I recommand that you change the nature into "Jolly"

You probably will not need Adamant since its attack is already beastly.

With a base 45 spd, I don't think so

2. Give it Speed EVs instead of D EVs.

Marowak is supposed to sweep, and to do this, You will need LOTS of Speed.

*or you could just use ninjask.

WTF? Why take its def EVs away? Now, if it could learn Rock Polish, then I'd do that. Baton Passing is too risky with all of the Hazers out there.

3. Lastly, give it Double-Edge.

whats the point of having Rock Head if you are not going to use Double-Edge?

Although it DOES make sense to use Double Edge, the set I have now is good enough, Fire Punch covers Ice Pokes and Skarmory, Thunder Punch handles Dos and Water pokes. Besides a Double Edge'll have less power than a stabbed EQ.

Read the bolded responses, Marowak has a 209 max speed if Jolly, I'd be wasting perfectly good defense if I did that.

Its good defenses don't make Wak a wall, it's a Bulky poke, like Dos.

Samson November 26th, 2007 4:05 PM

=/ don't compare dos w/ marowak.

dos has good hp and intimidate to boot. marowak's hp is unsettling and it can't really switch into anything other than a nuetral scarf physical move.

ShadowAzelf November 26th, 2007 4:07 PM

I'm not saying Dos and Wak are the same, I'm just using Dos as an example since the bulkier ones are more OU.


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