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ChrisG14 November 25th, 2007 5:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonzilla25 (Post 3118264)
Or u can catch some1 on the switch then it's a beast...

That's true, but Electivire covers your bases better with a bit more HP then most sets usually have for it.

Shiraishi November 25th, 2007 6:56 PM

How is Electivire bulky o.0 His def is horrible, his avg sp def is the only thing defensive about him ._.

Anti November 25th, 2007 7:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisG14 (Post 3118258)
Really, the only plausible way to use Marowak is on a Trick Room team, it's deadly. Without that, it gets OHKO'd pretty easily. Even with Defense and HP EVs, it gets taken down before it can even hit. Not as bad as Rampardos, but you get what I'm saying. I'd suggest put it on a TR team or switch it for something bulkier and faster like Electivire w/Expert Belt.

Um, I'd like to point out jaskwak was quite the beast in ADV :/

Um, marowak has TREMENDOUS base defense. It's WAY bulier than Vire :/

ShadowAzelf November 25th, 2007 8:27 PM

What OHKO's it besides pokes with special moves? It can take an Adamant Weavile's Ice Punch and live, c'mon, I can just switch on special pokes <.<...

Samson November 25th, 2007 9:45 PM

special pokes? you don't have any ._.

sceptile with max hp might be able to survive an ice beam, but i wouldn't count on it.

ChrisG14 November 26th, 2007 7:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3118657)
Um, I'd like to point out jaskwak was quite the beast in ADV :/

Um, marowak has TREMENDOUS base defense. It's WAY bulier than Vire :/

You're right, I mean to say FASTER, as jaskwak doesn't really work in D/P. Most people sense it and PHaze you right back. I guess I've always liked it better on TR teams

ShadowAzelf November 26th, 2007 12:59 PM

Okay, I've worked out a few scenarios to show why I'm choosing Wak > Vire.

Scenario 1: Scarf Vire-

I send out Electivre.
Oppenent sends out a Skarmory.
I use T-Bolt.
Skarmory switches into another Vire.
T-Bolt activates Motor Drive.
Oppenent's Vire sweeps my team.

Anything that's weak to electric moves can be used with another Vire, ScarfVire is forced to switch out while an Expert Belt-Vire can just rape my team.

Scenario 2- BeltVire:

I send out Electivre
Opponent sends out Weavile/Garchomp.
Garchomp outspeeds Vire's pitiful speed and kills it.
Vire uses Fire Punch on Vile, actiavting its Sash.
Weavile uses SD and kills Vire.

Electivire has low speed, with an Expert Belt, anything with a 330 speed or higher can kill it.

Scenario 3- Wak vs Gross/Agiligross/ScarfChomp/ScarfVile:
I send out Wak.
Oppenent send out Metagross.
Meta uses Ice Punch.
Wak survives.
Wak uses EQ, kills Gross.

Vs AgiliGross

Meta uses Agility
Wak uses EQ and gets at least a 2KO on Gross.

Vs ScarfChomp

Chomp uses Outrage
Wak uses Sub.
Chomp uses Outrage.
Breaks Sub.
Wak uses EQ
Chomp gets confused.
Wak uses another EQ.

Vs ChoiceVile

Weavile uses Ice Punch
Wak uses Fire Punch.

Vs ScarfVire

Vire uses Ice Punch
Wak uses EQ.

Vs BeltVire

Vire uses Ice Punch
Wak uses EQ.

Shiraishi November 26th, 2007 1:05 PM

Why in the world would you keep Electivire against a Garchomp. Skarmory switching away from a T-bolt is painfully obvious..You completely forgot prediction in your scenarios.

ShadowAzelf November 26th, 2007 1:07 PM

Um, yes, I knew that <_<... well, either way, Chomp forces Vire to switch and ANYTHING weak to electric moves can be used with Vire.

soultenny November 26th, 2007 2:25 PM

I personally use Marowak and here's some tips for you.

1. I recommand that you change the nature into "Jolly"

You probably will not need Adamant since its attack is already beastly.

2. Give it Speed EVs instead of D EVs.

Marowak is supposed to sweep, and to do this, You will need LOTS of Speed.

*or you could just use ninjask.

3. Lastly, give it Double-Edge.

whats the point of having Rock Head if you are not going to use Double-Edge?

Sora_8920 November 26th, 2007 2:40 PM

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Originally Posted by soultenny (Post 3119750)
I personally use Marowak and here's some tips for you.

1. I recommand that you change the nature into "Jolly"

You probably will not need Adamant since its attack is already beastly.

2. Give it Speed EVs instead of D EVs.

Marowak is supposed to sweep, and to do this, You will need LOTS of Speed.

*or you could just use ninjask.

3. Lastly, give it Double-Edge.

whats the point of having Rock Head if you are not going to use Double-Edge?

Um. Marowak has decent Defenses. He doesn't have to Sweep. And Adamant is actually perfect on him.

soultenny November 26th, 2007 2:42 PM

Ah didnt know that'

Never thought of "Marowak Wall" 8)

And I prefer jolly natures for no reasons. * maybe its just my personality.

airconditioning November 26th, 2007 2:43 PM

1) Wak's speed is so low already that nothing you do will make a difference. May as well put it all into attack. Seriously, he has 45 base speed.

2) See point 1. Since Wak has decent defenses, you really would want to focus on it.

3) STAB EQ does more than Double Edge and has better coverage.

EDIT: Having decent defenses doesn't automatically make it a wall. Wak's really more of a bulky attacker.

ShadowAzelf November 26th, 2007 2:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soultenny (Post 3119750)
I personally use Marowak and here's some tips for you.

1. I recommand that you change the nature into "Jolly"

You probably will not need Adamant since its attack is already beastly.

With a base 45 spd, I don't think so

2. Give it Speed EVs instead of D EVs.

Marowak is supposed to sweep, and to do this, You will need LOTS of Speed.

*or you could just use ninjask.

WTF? Why take its def EVs away? Now, if it could learn Rock Polish, then I'd do that. Baton Passing is too risky with all of the Hazers out there.

3. Lastly, give it Double-Edge.

whats the point of having Rock Head if you are not going to use Double-Edge?

Although it DOES make sense to use Double Edge, the set I have now is good enough, Fire Punch covers Ice Pokes and Skarmory, Thunder Punch handles Dos and Water pokes. Besides a Double Edge'll have less power than a stabbed EQ.

Read the bolded responses, Marowak has a 209 max speed if Jolly, I'd be wasting perfectly good defense if I did that.

Its good defenses don't make Wak a wall, it's a Bulky poke, like Dos.

Samson November 26th, 2007 4:05 PM

=/ don't compare dos w/ marowak.

dos has good hp and intimidate to boot. marowak's hp is unsettling and it can't really switch into anything other than a nuetral scarf physical move.

ShadowAzelf November 26th, 2007 4:07 PM

I'm not saying Dos and Wak are the same, I'm just using Dos as an example since the bulkier ones are more OU.


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