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How is Electivire bulky o.0 His def is horrible, his avg sp def is the only thing defensive about him ._.
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Um, marowak has TREMENDOUS base defense. It's WAY bulier than Vire :/ |
What OHKO's it besides pokes with special moves? It can take an Adamant Weavile's Ice Punch and live, c'mon, I can just switch on special pokes <.<...
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special pokes? you don't have any ._.
sceptile with max hp might be able to survive an ice beam, but i wouldn't count on it. |
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Okay, I've worked out a few scenarios to show why I'm choosing Wak > Vire.
Scenario 1: Scarf Vire- I send out Electivre. Oppenent sends out a Skarmory. I use T-Bolt. Skarmory switches into another Vire. T-Bolt activates Motor Drive. Oppenent's Vire sweeps my team. Anything that's weak to electric moves can be used with another Vire, ScarfVire is forced to switch out while an Expert Belt-Vire can just rape my team. Scenario 2- BeltVire: I send out Electivre Opponent sends out Weavile/Garchomp. Garchomp outspeeds Vire's pitiful speed and kills it. Vire uses Fire Punch on Vile, actiavting its Sash. Weavile uses SD and kills Vire. Electivire has low speed, with an Expert Belt, anything with a 330 speed or higher can kill it. Scenario 3- Wak vs Gross/Agiligross/ScarfChomp/ScarfVile: I send out Wak. Oppenent send out Metagross. Meta uses Ice Punch. Wak survives. Wak uses EQ, kills Gross. Vs AgiliGross Meta uses Agility Wak uses EQ and gets at least a 2KO on Gross. Vs ScarfChomp Chomp uses Outrage Wak uses Sub. Chomp uses Outrage. Breaks Sub. Wak uses EQ Chomp gets confused. Wak uses another EQ. Vs ChoiceVile Weavile uses Ice Punch Wak uses Fire Punch. Vs ScarfVire Vire uses Ice Punch Wak uses EQ. Vs BeltVire Vire uses Ice Punch Wak uses EQ. |
Why in the world would you keep Electivire against a Garchomp. Skarmory switching away from a T-bolt is painfully obvious..You completely forgot prediction in your scenarios.
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Um, yes, I knew that <_<... well, either way, Chomp forces Vire to switch and ANYTHING weak to electric moves can be used with Vire.
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I personally use Marowak and here's some tips for you.
1. I recommand that you change the nature into "Jolly" You probably will not need Adamant since its attack is already beastly. 2. Give it Speed EVs instead of D EVs. Marowak is supposed to sweep, and to do this, You will need LOTS of Speed. *or you could just use ninjask. 3. Lastly, give it Double-Edge. whats the point of having Rock Head if you are not going to use Double-Edge? |
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Ah didnt know that'
Never thought of "Marowak Wall" 8) And I prefer jolly natures for no reasons. * maybe its just my personality. |
1) Wak's speed is so low already that nothing you do will make a difference. May as well put it all into attack. Seriously, he has 45 base speed.
2) See point 1. Since Wak has decent defenses, you really would want to focus on it. 3) STAB EQ does more than Double Edge and has better coverage. EDIT: Having decent defenses doesn't automatically make it a wall. Wak's really more of a bulky attacker. |
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Its good defenses don't make Wak a wall, it's a Bulky poke, like Dos. |
=/ don't compare dos w/ marowak.
dos has good hp and intimidate to boot. marowak's hp is unsettling and it can't really switch into anything other than a nuetral scarf physical move. |
I'm not saying Dos and Wak are the same, I'm just using Dos as an example since the bulkier ones are more OU.
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