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Kirioroshi November 25th, 2007 6:38 AM

Need help with Current Party.
 
this is the party I'm currently working on, Still breeding some. Also what items do i give them?

Empoleon -Torrent- Modest.
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Flash Cannon
- maybe grass knot or substitute.

Breloom -Spore- Adamant
-Spore
-Focus Punch or substitute
-Sky Uppercut
-Seed Bomb

Flygon -Levitate- Adamant
-Earthquake
-Dragon Claw
-U-Turn
-Fly

Solrock - Levitate - Sassy
-Cosmic Power
-Phychic
-Flame Thrower
-Rock Slide

Weavile - Pressure- Adamant or Absol Super Luck - Adamant
-Night slash -Sword Dance
-Poison Jab -Night Slash
-Screech -Psycho Cut
-Swagger -

Gengar - Mild - Levitate
-Ice Punch
-Shadow Ball
-Substitute
-Phychic


I want to change Gengar for maybe a Tanker. I don't mind if you change the list, but my main Pokemon are Breloom, Flygon and Empoleon.

Sora_8920 November 25th, 2007 6:41 AM

Gengar @ Wide Lens ** Casper
Trait: Levitate
Timid Nature (=Spd, -Atk)
- Thunder
- Hypnosis
- Energy Ball
- Focus Blast.

Azonic November 25th, 2007 6:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azonic (Post 3078816)
Fly, Dig, and Dive
- Fly, Dig, and Dive seem pretty good right? It leaves the opponent miss and lets you inflict a good powered move the next turn, right? WRONG. If the opponent predicts well, or on the chance that the opponent is using a faster pokemon, the opponent can utilize that free turn for benefits. For instance, it can pound your field with Stealth Rock, Recover to heal HP, switch out to a pokemon that poses as a threat to yours, THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS. Avoid moves like Fly, Dig, and Dive.

Weavile @ Life Orb
Trait: Pressure
Nature: Jolly
Evs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
- Night Slash
- Icepunch
- Brick Break
- Aerial Ace

Kirioroshi November 25th, 2007 7:07 AM

=O how can i forget that(fly)? Silly me. Ill probally change fly to Roost.

Kuro November 25th, 2007 7:15 AM

Quote:

Weavile @ Life Orb
Trait: Pressure
Nature: Jolly
Evs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
- Night Slash
- Icepunch
- Brick Break
- Aerial Ace/Ice Shard/Pursuit - Ice Shard to get rid of those annoying Pokemon who have Focus Sash and Speed Boost (here's looking at you, Yanmega, *shakes fist at Alakazam17*), Pursuit if a Pokemon with low HP is trying to switch.
___________
Changes made are in bold.

Kirioroshi November 25th, 2007 7:20 AM

So would pursuit be a better choice?

Azonic November 25th, 2007 7:22 AM

Aerial Ace is perfectly fine. It outspeeds ScarfCross and uses Aerial Ace to get rid of 'em

Kuro November 25th, 2007 7:22 AM

It's really down to preference. However the other 3 moves are staples. But yes, Aerial Ace works just fine.

Kirioroshi November 25th, 2007 7:32 AM

Would my Empoleon, Breloom, Flygon(with Roost instead of fly) be fine?

Also what would you guys recomend instead of Solrock? I cant seem to find a decent fire type.

Azonic November 25th, 2007 7:57 AM

-coughsolrockaintfirecough- xD

[email protected] Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
Nature: Jolly / Adamant
Evs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
- Spore
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Seed Bomb

Anti November 25th, 2007 8:48 AM

Um, why would you care about outspeeding scarfcross? Weavile can't switch into it anyways ;)

Azonic November 25th, 2007 9:35 AM

O_o I just said Aerial Ace is good for getting rid of Heracross.

For Empoleon, Agility is a good way to abuse its special attack :D

El Gofre November 25th, 2007 10:01 AM

For the third person today:
We need EVs not levels
Focus punch should never be without substitute
2-turn moves are stupid
Needs more defence

luke November 25th, 2007 11:03 AM

Focus Punch does NOT have to be used with Substitute. It's all about prediction.

Anti November 25th, 2007 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3116822)
For the third person today:
We need EVs not levels
Focus punch should never be without substitute
2-turn moves are stupid
Needs more defence

Um, not so fast. Last I checked slaking ran focus punch standard, without sub. Um, so does CBlax. In short, subpunching is by no means the only use for focus punch. Prediction FTW.

ThePlaya November 25th, 2007 2:27 PM

and focus punch is a one turn move
NOT 2

Kirioroshi November 25th, 2007 5:53 PM

I might change Gengar for

Dusknior - Pressure - Impish
-Shadow Ball
-Thunder Punch
-Will-O-Wisp
-Pain Split

luke November 25th, 2007 5:58 PM

No tea. Dusknoir CANNOT do Special Attacks (Shadow Ball). Go with Shadow Sneak or Shadow Punch. And Careful Nature over Impish. Will-o-Wisp will take care his Defense.

airconditioning November 25th, 2007 6:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LemonLiceTea (Post 3118309)
I might change Gengar for

Dusknior - Pressure - Careful
-Shadow Sneak/ Punch
-Thunder Punch/ Fire Punch
-Will-O-Wisp
-Pain Split

Shadow Ball is Special, which Dusk doesn't like. Go with either priority or power (although Shadow Punch isn't particularly powerful). Stick with Thunderpunch if Gyara scares you, or Fire Punch if you hate Hera (who happen to love switching in on Will-o-Wisp, by the way).

Spice Curry November 25th, 2007 6:29 PM

Personally, I don't like Flash Cannon on Empoleon (steel is a horrible offensive type) but you could go with it if you wanted. Grass Knot is a must, and you might want to use the last slot for Agility (if you plan to get rid of Flash Cannon).

Flygon with Roost over Fly looks pretty good. Might want to change the nature to Jolly, if you're like that, or stick Stone Edge onto the moveset but its preference really.

Kirioroshi November 26th, 2007 1:00 AM

With the information gathered from post and other sources

Empoleon (Modest) w/ Quick Claw -S.Atk EV's?
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Flash Cannon/Agility -undecided-
-Grass Knot

Flygon (Jolly) w/ Leftovers -Speed Ev's and Atk?
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Roost
-U-turn

Breloom (Adamant) w/ Toxic Orb -Atk and Speed Evs?
Trait: Poison heal
-Spore
-Focus Punch
-Substitute
-Seed Bomb

Dusknoir (Careful) w/leftovers -S.Def and Def Ev?
-Shadow Punch
-Will-O-Wisp
-Fire Punch
-Pain Split

Weavile (Jolly) w/ Life Orb -Atk and Speed EVs?
-Night Slash
-Ice Punch
-Aerial Ace
-Brick Break

Xatu (Timid) w/ Leftovers -what EV's should i train for Xatu?
-Psychic
-Wish
-Light Screen
-Reflect

Hows that? The thing that concerns me is the lack of fire based attacks. But thats not really a problem since fire is strong against Steel, Grass, Bug, Ice and Dusk should be able to take most of them.

So in theory my plan is to send Xatu out First, to set the walls. then play accordingly to what the opponent sends out.

Arsibiyez November 26th, 2007 3:07 AM

No, no... Brick Break is very popular and both Light Screen AND Reflect would fall to it in one shot. She's also too fragile to provide Wish support. And you can't really pseudo-pass those to any on your team except Dusknoir who blocks Brick Break. He doesn't exactly need those walls anyway. Empoleon's weak to Fighting, Weavile's double weak. I suggest that you go with Jirachi / Vaporeon / possibly Gardevoir for cleric.

Kirioroshi November 26th, 2007 4:44 AM

Fine ill swap it for this, since i already have it.

Gardevoir (Modest) w/ Quick Claw.
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic
-Calm Mind
-Magical Leaf

Arsibiyez November 26th, 2007 5:07 AM

"Cleric" means that the Pokemon has a move that can assist the other members of the party by healing them with Wish, Healing Wish, Heal Bell, or Aromatherapy. (Healing Wish is not recommended, btw, but it still deserves to be mentioned because it is a cleric move.)

Gardevoir @ Wide Lens
Trait: Trace
Bold / Calm Nature
- Wish
- Hypnosis / Will-o-Wisp
- Psychic
- Focus Blast

It's a no-brainer. She can even attack when she needs to. Just give her enough HP EVs to take some physical hits so you can still sneak a Wish in before you need to switch. I don't know the exact spread, though.

luke November 26th, 2007 6:09 AM

Remember, they suggested you use Gardevoir as a cleric. So, that would mean it would need one of those Cleric moves that were listed. That set Satsusen posted is very promising. Use it.

El Gofre November 26th, 2007 11:59 AM

Ok i admit i was wrong about focus punch needing sub, i completely forgot about slaking.
But it is a two-turn move, since it spends a turn 'tightening its focus'

J-Rad November 26th, 2007 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3119485)
Ok i admit i was wrong about focus punch needing sub, i completely forgot about slaking.
But it is a two-turn move, since it spends a turn 'tightening its focus'

no it does TIghtining focus" before any1 attacks, but the move ALWAYS goes 2nd it is a 1 turn move...

Anti November 26th, 2007 6:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3119485)
Ok i admit i was wrong about focus punch needing sub, i completely forgot about slaking.
But it is a two-turn move, since it spends a turn 'tightening its focus'

If it was a two-turn move nobody would use it ;/

Kirioroshi November 26th, 2007 6:51 PM

aww looks like i have to keep breeding >.> Grrr..

Brelooms def is so Low ><
Btw if i Send Breloom out first, i should use spore, substitute and focus punch/bomb right?


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