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Gengar
I'm not sure what Gengar should I get. I've been thinking about two movesets.
Nature: Timid item: Leftovers / Life Orb EVs: 4hp/252spatk/252spd Hypnosis / Hidden Power Ice Shadow Ball Thunderbolt Focus Blast Or Nature: Hasty / Naive item: Life Orb Evs: 128atk/128spatk/252spd Explosion Thunderbolt Shadow Ball Focus Punch Which set do you guys think is the most effective? |
I would say the first set. As for the exploding/focus punching Gengar, I think Substitute should be there - Gengar has the speed to pull it off, not to mention the unpredictability that might make your opponent's pokemon flee while you get a Substitute up (I would take out Explosion or Thunderbolt for it).
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I like the first one but i prefer Focus Sash on it, and so i can take a super effective hits from Weavile etc. and live to hypnosis it or Focus Blast it to pieces.
EDIT: Second ones more situational, ive tried it and im not really impressed with it, only really good for taking out walls, like Tyraniboah. |
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Thunderbolt is a must for Gengar. It's the only pokemon that will know an electrical move on my team. Explosion is there when you know Gengar isn’t going to last any longer so you explode for the maximum damage. I rather have focus punch without sub. I don't have room for sub so I either have focus punch in there without sub or either replace it with another move. Quote:
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1st Set with Choice Specs > Life Orb. Specs Focus Blast does about 44% to a standard blissey which is always nice.
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@Towlie: Yeah i love Choice Specs aswell a 2/3hkno on Blissey is fantastic, however sash is meant for a lead Gengar so it depends on what _Prince_ wants if for really. |
Ah...but weavile really does kind of own gengar, even moreso starmie ;) But without sash...;)
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Yes, for the most part, Gengar has no business staying in against a Weavile. I much prefer the first one. The Second Set is too "gimmick"-y for my tastes.
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I would actually run Wide Lesn and Thunder over thunderbolt for the first set. ;)
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Wide Lens probably would help the most on the first set, it helps Focus Blast, Hypnosis, and the possible Thunder. Though Choice Specsing it works just as well.
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Gengar @ Leftovers
EVs: 108 hp / 216 spd / 184 Satk timid - hypnosis - ice punch - thunderbolt - will-o-wisp |
I was breeding Gastly's last night. I came across one with HP Ice power 60. That's too low, right?
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And if your going to give him physical moves like ice punch(its not 3rd gen. right?)give him a naive nature or the other one that is +speed, -defense(hasty right?)You don't want to reduce its attack with a physical move on it. And I don't think Will-o-Wisp works on it either. It just dosn't work on it(Me thinks) [email protected] sash/life orb/choice specs Ability:Levitate Nature:Timid EVs:252 Speed, 252 Sp.Attack, 4 HP -Hypnosis/HP Ice -Thunderbolt -Shadow Ball -Focus Blast Common move set..... And about your HP ice 60....yeah shoot for a higher one. |
I think 60 is high enough, generally i say if its 50 and above use it. Saying that my Gengar does indeed have hidden power Ice but it has lol power , 46 XD
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Hmmmm, yes, but after losing a battle because my Yanmega's HP Ice (63) left my opponenet with 1HP, I have since then aimed for at least HP 67. (Yanmega now has HP Ice 70)
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Um, HP Ice 60 is just fine "ThePlaya." And if you're that scared of leaving opponents with 1 HP, run some calcs ;)
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oh ok. I guess im just not getting it. I don't know much about 4th generation if thats what the thread starter wanted. (looking at life orb) my bad .
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Well, if you're not good at 4th Gen, then don't reply at all. Simple as that.
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Ah. But he said he idn't know much about 4th Gen, which is why I replied that. ;)
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LOL just jokin. But Gengar owns with ice punch and thunderbolt. |
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The first set you have is good as it is |
Ice Punch on Gengar was only in 3rd Generation. Now that Ice Punch is physical, its pretty useless on Gengar. Hidden Power [ICE] is the replacement for it.
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It only owns with that set in 3rd gen ;) It can still mock boltbeam though, as others have mentioned. I like Destiny bond on gengar. I've destroyed many ice beaming bluisseys with that, and late game swept with encoreZam and Raikou. |
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Outrage needs to still be special!!!! But noooooooo.
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