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luke November 27th, 2007 3:01 PM

Desperate Need of Assistance
 
fourarms (Machamp) (♂) @ Muscle Band
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 140 HP/252 Atk/100 Def/18 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dynamicpunch
- Ice Punch
- Thunderpunch
- Stone Edge
---
chatterbox (Ambipom) (♀) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/6 SAtk
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Return
- Brick Break
- Shadow Claw
- Thunder
---
bigbadbug (Yanmega) (♀) @ Wise Glasses
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 26 HP/232 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Bug Buzz
- Air Slash
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Protect
---
ironcoil (Steelix) (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/152 Atk/106 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
- Rest
- Stealth Rock
---
bluesaint (Lapras) (♀) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP/140 Def/40 SAtk/78 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Heal Bell
---
watchyousleep (Hypno) (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Forewarn
EVs: 252 HP/58 Def/200 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Wish
- Substitute
- Baton Pass

ultranerd57 November 27th, 2007 3:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3122227)
fourarms (Machamp) (♂) @ Muscle Band
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 140 HP/252 Atk/100 Def/18 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dynamicpunch
- Ice Punch
- Thunderpunch
- Stone Edge
---
chatterbox (Ambipom) (♀) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/6 SAtk
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Return
- Brick Break
- Shadow Claw
- Thunder
---
bigbadbug (Yanmega) (♀) @ Wise Glasses
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 26 HP/232 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Bug Buzz
- Air Slash
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Protect
---
ironcoil (Steelix) (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/152 Atk/106 Def
[Relaxed nature +def -spd]
- Earthquake
- [Gyro Ball]
- [Roar]
- Stealth Rock
---
bluesaint (Lapras) (♀) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP/140 Def/40 SAtk/78 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Heal Bell
---
watchyousleep (Hypno) (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Forewarn
EVs: 200 HP/110 Def/200 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Wish
- Substitute
- Baton Pass
---

Especially with Lapras, Hypno, and Steelix.

0.o Why does Ambipom have Thunder? [changes on steelix]

Sora_8920 November 27th, 2007 3:07 PM

I prefer Relaxed on Steelix. Bur Impish is also fine. Stidy is well.. Useless. rock Head makes use of one move he has.

luke November 27th, 2007 3:10 PM

I don't like Gyro Ball. Bad Coverage. Ground + Ice = Better Coverage. Thunder is for Skarmory.

Sora_8920 November 27th, 2007 3:11 PM

Gyro Ball + Stab Low speed 0 IV's in Spd = A lot of Damage. After that, who cares about the coverage?

Eleventyseventy November 27th, 2007 3:47 PM

Lack of fire moves isn't a good idea.. you'll get walled by Bronzongs.
I'd give Steelix Fire Fang.

Sora_8920 November 27th, 2007 3:50 PM

Fire Fang does squat. Fire Blast does an amazing job. And don't complian about the accuracy. You don't judge a Move by it's Accuracy. >3 ;)

airconditioning November 27th, 2007 4:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3122365)
Fire Fang does squat. Fire Blast does an amazing job. And don't complian about the accuracy. You don't judge a Move by it's Accuracy. >3 ;)

Does that mean Dragon Rush and Iron Tail are good moves?

Sora_8920 November 27th, 2007 4:07 PM

Who said anything about Dragon Rush? That one sucks. However, Iron Tail can REALLY work.

Anti November 27th, 2007 4:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3122410)
Does that mean Dragon Rush and Iron Tail are good moves?

I think that's taking him out of context a bit.

As for steelix, I'd REALLY consider roar over SR...and ice fang isn't really very good on it. With steelix, its attack really is weak enough where you have to go for power rather than coverage. It's not like you're trying to sweep anything with it.

Shiraishi November 27th, 2007 4:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3122419)
Who said anything about Dragon Rush? That one sucks. However, Iron Tail can REALLY work.

Who are you.. Only status inducing moves's acc should be almost ignored >_> Most pokes who use em are bulky. Iron tail=NO.

Sora_8920 November 27th, 2007 4:12 PM

Obviously, Itachi 2007. Iron Tail does work.

Anti November 27th, 2007 4:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiraishi (Post 3122426)
Who are you.. Only status inducing moves's acc should be almost ignored >_> Most pokes who use em are bulky. Iron tail=NO.

Actually, iron tail works on steelix with STAB. Heck, people use stone edge on that thing. Now give me a reason not to use iron tail :P And no, steelix doesn't need coverage. though iron tail is pretty useless now since there's gyro ball which ADV lacked. but Iron tail MUST have STAB and must be used on a pokemon that can take a hit if it misses. Narrowing it down to...well...steelix ;)

airconditioning November 27th, 2007 4:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3122419)
Who said anything about Dragon Rush? That one sucks. However, Iron Tail can REALLY work.

What's wrong with Dragon Rush? It has 100 Base Power, which is pretty damn high, and it doesn't get you locked into a move for two turns like Outrage. Since accuracy doesn't matter, I don't see why more people don't use it. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Gamerman/Image%20Macros/yelwacko.gif

Look, my point is that accuracy is important. Why would we bother with No Guard Machamp if Dynamic Punch had no accuracy troubles?

Sora_8920 November 27th, 2007 4:14 PM

Thank you, Anti. Now do you see why I prefer it?

Anti November 27th, 2007 4:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3122440)
Thank you, Anti. Now do you see why I prefer it?

But make no mistake, it is useless now that gyro ball is a better option ;)

Azonic November 27th, 2007 5:12 PM

Iron Tail is probably the worst move. Steelix didn't need Steel STAB in 3rd Generation since he's already part Ground, which covers most of the types Steel does. That alone can pretty much make another low accuracy Steel move useless. Not to mention horrible coverage. Gyro Ball is accepted because its amazingly more powerful and has a better Accuracy. By the way, Steelix is argueably one of the worst OU Roarers.

All of your Pokemon's movesets, Loquacity, are pretty stable. Though you might want to add in a status inflictor somewhere.

luke November 27th, 2007 5:46 PM

Didn't realize this before, but my team is very Heracross-weak. X.x; I need a Physical Wall who can stand up to the beetle (considering Gliscor or Weezing).

Shiraishi November 27th, 2007 6:08 PM

You have a physical wall already so..Gliscor. I think you already have a tank Gliscor set. I remember you posting it in one my realllllllllly old RMTs.

luke November 27th, 2007 6:30 PM

I meant to replace Steelix. X.x; It's been the faulty link in my team. Yes, good ol' tanky Gliscor.

ultranerd57 November 27th, 2007 6:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3122438)
What's wrong with Dragon Rush? It has 100 Base Power, which is pretty damn high, and it doesn't get you locked into a move for two turns like Outrage. Since accuracy doesn't matter, I don't see why more people don't use it. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Gamerman/Image%20Macros/yelwacko.gif

Look, my point is that accuracy is important. Why would we bother with No Guard Machamp if Dynamic Punch had no accuracy troubles?

I use Dragon Rush on my wide lens Garchomp but thats cause it has three moves with 80 accuracy. :p

luke November 27th, 2007 7:15 PM

Stop discussing that in the thread. I'm getting rid of Steelix anyway, so no reason for it. kthanxbai

Eos Aduro November 27th, 2007 9:01 PM

Ok, one thing is, I love my Machamp, and hes No Gurad+Adamant 252 Attack 252 Speed+Choice Scarf. Outspeeds a LOT o stuff and hits hard. Also if you want a wall that resists Cross, then Dusknoir is also a possibility I believe.

Anti November 28th, 2007 9:43 AM

Dusknoir can't really counter hera well. WoW = instant death. and nigth slash says hi! Weezing is the best Hera counter IMO.

Shiraishi November 28th, 2007 9:46 AM

Gliscor is a better Hera counter >:[ It actually has some attacking power unlike Weezing who lost physical Sludge bomb V_V;

Anti November 28th, 2007 9:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiraishi (Post 3124078)
Gliscor is a better Hera counter >:[ It actually has some attacking power unlike Weezing who lost physical Sludge bomb V_V;

I smell flamethrower ;) Weezing doesn't really need physical attacks at all ;)

Samson November 28th, 2007 12:05 PM

yeah weezing is much better. first, it has 85 base sp atk. that's more than enough. then it has access to tbolt and flamethrower aside from sludge bomb. if it wanted to, it could run a choice specs set and dominate. for gliscor to counter hera, you have to give it aerial ace or something for nuetral damage, which pretty much sucks cus between roost, stealth rock, knock off, and earthquake, there's not much room for it. sure, knock off and stealth rock are optional, but even so, no one wants to sacrifice the potential with a move that is only worth it with grass and bug types who are not so often considered threats.


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