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Houndoom666 November 28th, 2007 2:58 PM

Help on my Blissey
 
Ok now ive finally wised up and got a Blissey. I want to know the best moves and hold item. Ive heard choice band is good but any suggestions about the moves and held items I should use. Im getting Wifi soon and I want Blissey to be in my party.

Here it is:
Blissey lvl 63
Nature:Rash
Ability:Natural care
Light Screen
Egg bomb
Softboiled
Double-edge (I like this because Blissey's HP is soooo high and the recoil takes very little damage out.)

Im really not proud of some of his stats
HP:420
Attack:52
Defense:52
Special Attack:134
Sp.Def:179
Speed:100

Tell me if he is good at the moment. Also tell me what Blissey needs to improve.

Sora_8920 November 28th, 2007 3:00 PM

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers ** Anti's pet flamer
Trait: Natural Cure
EV'd: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Thunder Wave
- Softboiled
- Seismic Toss.

Anti November 28th, 2007 3:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houndoom666 (Post 3124513)
Ok now ive finally wised up and got a Blissey.

/THE/ best special wall in the game.

I want to know the best moves and hold item.

LEFTOVERS.

Ive heard choice band is good

lol

but any suggestions about the moves and held items I should use. Im getting Wifi soon and I want Blissey to be in my party.

Here it is:
Blissey lvl 63
Nature:Rash
Ability:Natural care
Light Screen
Egg bomb
Softboiled
Double-edge (I like this because Blissey's HP is soooo high and the recoil takes very little damage out.)

Im really not proud of some of his stats
HP:420
Attack:52
Defense:52
Special Attack:134
Sp.Def:179
Speed:100

Tell me if he is good at the moment. Also tell me what Blissey needs to improve.

Okay, read the rules. WiFi sets the level to 100, but there are several problems with this blissey. First off, any nature that takes away from blissey's defense or special defense sucks. rash falls under that category, run bold.

Physical attacks just SUCK on blissey. egg bomb is lol, double edge is terribly lol. Stick to the standard:

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Thunder Wave / Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Seismic Toss / Ice Beam
- Aromatherapy

the only attack besides seismic toss that is really any good on bliss is ice beam for McGar and the likes.

And actually accpet advice unlike in the past. thanks.

EDIT: Itachi, my pet flamer? My pet flamer is Jirachi ;)

Sora_8920 November 28th, 2007 3:03 PM

Also, CBBliss was joke, just for a side note. ;)

Houndoom666 November 28th, 2007 3:09 PM

Well flaming has got me no where. But I aint gonna kiss up to nobody.

Anyways I really hate Egg bomb. It sucks and has no effect at all. But I am using it temporarilly. I will keep him and see how he turns out and if I dont like him, ill go back to happiny and start allll over again.

Sora_8920 November 28th, 2007 3:12 PM

Look, Egg Bomb has already been proven fail.

Houndoom666 November 28th, 2007 3:12 PM

P.S:Anti, thats a huge ass rant in ur sig but its sorta true.
srry to get off topic but I wanted to point it out. lol

Anti November 28th, 2007 3:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houndoom666 (Post 3124548)
Well flaming has got me no where. But I aint gonna kiss up to nobody.

Good. Kissing up = EPIC fail.

Anyways I really hate Egg bomb. It sucks and has no effect at all. But I am using it temporarilly. I will keep him and see how he turns out and if I dont like him, ill go back to happiny and start allll over again.

You're supposed to post your future set ;/ and yeah, you need to breed to get aromatherapy and bold, not to mention that bliss basically needs a near-perfect Def IV.

TP-BigWill November 28th, 2007 3:17 PM

Hmm....

well, If you had access to Fire Red...I'll go with this moveset for Blissey.

[email protected]

Counter
Seismec toss
Soft Boil
Thunder Wave.

I would use one...but I'm part of the 30% of the people in the world that raises and breeds their own unique under utilized pokemon.

Dark Azelf November 28th, 2007 3:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3124563)
You're supposed to post your future set ;/ and yeah, you need to breed to get aromatherapy and bold, not to mention that bliss basically needs a near-perfect Def IV.

If you have a perfect Hp and Def it can survive and Electivires Cross Chop and an Mixed Infernapes Close Combat.


Well if you dont run Seismic Toss or dont have access to it run Ice Beam


[email protected]
Bold Nature
148 HP / 252 DEF / 104 SP.ATT / 4 SP.DEF
Trait : Natural Cure
- Ice Beam
- Aromatherapy / Thunderbolt
- Thunderwave / Protect
- Softboiled / Wish

Wish and Protect go together.

Also dont use physical moves on Bliss it has base 10 Attack XD

Houndoom666 November 28th, 2007 3:21 PM

Hmmmm yeah im looking at seismic toss pretty well right now.

Anti November 28th, 2007 3:23 PM

Well, you can always run counter bliss with wish, but that is very tough to get without a battle sim.

Sora_8920 November 28th, 2007 3:26 PM

WishBliss, if you have access to it, looks something like this:

Blissey (M) @ Leftovers ** Anti's 2nd pet flamer
Trait: Natural Cure
EV's: 148 HP / 252 Def / 104 SAtk / 4 Spe
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam / Thunder Wave / Sing
- Protect / Softboiled
- Seismic Toss
- Wish.

Houndoom666 November 28th, 2007 3:26 PM

Hey has anyone ever thoght to give Blissey Fire Blast?

Star★Seeker November 28th, 2007 3:27 PM

[SIZE="1"]LOL!Another guy fell for it, I might make a joke too.

Standard:

Blissey @ Lefties***Goddesnurse
Bold
EV's:252 HP/252 DEF
Trait:Natural Cure
-Seismic Toss/Counter/Ice Beam
-Stealth Rock
-Softboiled
-Thunder Wave/Aromatherapy

Pretty good wall.

Sora_8920 November 28th, 2007 3:29 PM

Fire blast is a big fat no Blissey does have the Defenses to do it, but yeah, it's pretty much 2HKO'd by Infernape's Close Combat, not good. Infernape is pretty darn common, and even the, they'll switch in the approite to counter to 2HKO. (It's always a 2HKO with Bliss) Fire Blast, though, is just no, overall.

Houndoom666 November 28th, 2007 3:29 PM

I wouldnt understand why id use protect. Im not saying its bad or anything its just like why have protect when hes got 400+ HP right there.

Sora_8920 November 28th, 2007 3:31 PM

Protect is pretty self-explanatory. Though, if you need tht Set comment, I'll post it:

Quote:

Fat Smogon: The general idea is to special wall just like in the first set, utilizing Wish then Protect to directly mirror the effects of Softboiled, or using Wish preemptively (with more than half of your HP intact, even at full health) then using the next turn to Toss or use any of the above "filler" moves. Obviously, don't use any SpA EVs if you forego Ice Beam.

The Wish/Protect combination is all the more appealing on Blissey in DP thanks in large to the popularity of Choice Users. The silver lining to this set resides in the fantastic safety net Protect casts over Blissey. At any point over around 50% HP, WishBliss will not be threatened by Pursuit users like Tyranitar, Weavile and Heracross simply because of Protect. She can Protect heads-up to see if they used Pursuit, intending to deal a heavy blow to a switching Blissey.

If they use Pursuit, Blissey will be Protected and can stay in and Wish the next turn while taking a 40 Base Power Pursuit assured to do less than 35% to it (assuming the threat stays in, which it may not), then follow up with Protect the subsequent turn to guarantee the 50% HP Recovery. If they attack straight up with one of their powerful STAB moves, you're more than free to switch out to the appropriate counter with which your team should be equipped anyway. And this becomes even more attractive when you factor in the possibility that the above Pursuit threats could likely have switched into a Wish in the first place.

Remember though, this strategy, like most, can be used against you if you rely too heavily upon it. Consider a Tyranitar heads-up against a Blissey that used Wish on the switch. Tyranitar uses Crunch as Blissey Protects, and then switches out of the full health Blissey to which it no longer poses such a large threat. But later, when Tyranitar is heads-up against the same Blissey, it uses a dangerous Dragon Dance as Blissey Protects, assuming that Tyranitar was of the Choice Band variety. Just something to keep in mind. Anyway, if you want to ensure Blissey stays alive longer, be it to pass Wishes or to endure as a Special Wall, you can run Softboiled over Protect.

Anti November 28th, 2007 3:32 PM

Itachi, wishbliss is best with counter.

And no fire blast. It just wouldn't really do anything for it...and Rose Reaper, I personally hate SR on Bliss because it needs all 4 slots for other things ;)

Dark Azelf November 28th, 2007 3:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houndoom666 (Post 3124606)
I wouldnt understand why id use protect. Im not saying its bad or anything its just like why have protect when hes got 400+ HP right there.

It has 714 Hp if you ev train it.


Protect is to activate Wish as it takes one turn to restore you hp.

Ice Beam is generally better than Fire Blast due to bulky ground type pokemon whom often switch in expecting Thunderwave.

Anti November 28th, 2007 3:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3124618)
It has 714 Hp if you ev train it.


Protect is to activate Wish as it takes one turn to restore you hp.

It also helps to scout for a certain move a choice item user is using. That's my fav use for protect ;)

Houndoom666 November 28th, 2007 3:34 PM

Ok. So Fire Blast is a NO. Hmmmmm I am probably gonna breed and get a happiny with Bold nature first and say bye bye to this one I have. And heres how I see it being:

[email protected]
Bold Nature
-Ice Beam
-Seismic toss
-Aoromatheropy
-??? (hmmm im thinking on a

Sora_8920 November 28th, 2007 3:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houndoom666 (Post 3124623)
Ok. So Fire Blast is a NO. Hmmmmm I am probably gonna breed and get a happiny with Bold nature first and say bye bye to this one I have. And heres how I see it being:

[email protected]
Bold Nature
-Ice Beam
-Seismic toss
-Aoromatheropy
-??? (hmmm im thinking on a

Ice Beam and Seismic Toss = No.

Anti November 28th, 2007 3:36 PM

Put softboiled in the last slot ;) that way you can heal.

EDIT: Itachi, I use ice beam and seismic toss. lol, it in no way fails lololol

Houndoom666 November 28th, 2007 3:37 PM

OK so should I use leftovers or what itemwise?

Anti November 28th, 2007 3:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houndoom666 (Post 3124636)
OK so should I use leftovers or what itemwise?

ALWAYS leftovers on blissey. NEVER use anything else, it needs lefties. And Itachi, read my edit.

Sora_8920 November 28th, 2007 3:38 PM

Always use Leftovers. Always. Edit: I already did before you Posted that.

Anti November 28th, 2007 3:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3124638)
Always use Leftovers. Always.

and you still need to read my edit before jumping to conclusions ;/

And yes, lefties as we've said 125 times. Watch out for dugtrio and other counters. that's ice beam's main use ;)

EDIT: then next time we battle I'm not expecting dugtrio :P

Dark Azelf November 28th, 2007 3:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3124628)
Ice Beam and Seismic Toss = No.

I run Ice Beam and Seismic Toss on my Blissey , it works because bulky ground types think they can safely switch in. They cant lol. It also stops dragons using it as set up fodder. Whilst seismic toss is there for things that resist Ice Beam

Anti November 28th, 2007 3:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3124642)
I run Ice Beam and Seismic Toss on my Blissey , it works because bulky ground types think they can safely switch in. They cant lol. It also stops dragons using it as set up fodder. Whilst seismic toss is there for things that resist Ice Beam

It breaks McGar's subs, destroys Mence and co (dragons), hammers dugtrio, and allows for hitting pokemon like Zapdos who want to stall thee.

Houndoom666 November 28th, 2007 3:51 PM

I knew Ice beam would be in there. Im not changing that.
So umm......when I get happiny when should I teach Ice beam? Sjould I wait?

Star★Seeker November 28th, 2007 3:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3124613)
Itachi, wishbliss is best with counter.

And no fire blast. It just wouldn't really do anything for it...and Rose Reaper, I personally hate SR on Bliss because it needs all 4 slots for other things ;)

A lot of people use it on her, then again, everyone has their preferences.

Houndoom666 November 28th, 2007 3:53 PM

There will be a few more PKMN I will need help with soon so feel free to lay your opinions on me.

Azonic November 28th, 2007 3:58 PM

Ice Beam and Seismic Toss on the same moveset are in no way fail.

Blissey @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 SDefense
- Seismic Toss
- Aromatherapy
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave

Blissey @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 SDefense
- Softboiled
- Thunderbolt
- Icebeam
- Calm Mind

Blissey @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 SDefense
- Softboiled
- Icebeam
- Seismic Toss
- Aromatherapy / Thunder Wave

Anti November 28th, 2007 3:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Rose Reaper~ (Post 3124666)
A lot of people use it on her, then again, everyone has their preferences.

Oh, I'm just saying I personally don't like it. allow me to explain my reasoning:

Blissey was made to be a cleric. Like, seriously (other than special walling of course). So yeah, I think it kinda should always have aromatherapy. Bliss without wish or softboiled is fail, so I'll add in softboiled. Now bliss needs a way to attack back. IB / Seismic toss. Now I have the last slot. I personally give it IB so McGar and all the annoying counters and also dragons don't poop in my face. Buyt if not Twave is needed IMO. that way you can set up our sweepers and whatnot and gives bliss even more staying power.

you COULD run SR in the last slot, I'm just not fond of it is all.

And houndoom, Skarm and claydol work great with bliss.

EDIT: CM blissey = epic fail ;)

Azonic November 28th, 2007 4:04 PM

CM Blissey isn't fail if you use it with the BoltBeam set. Otherwise, yeah its fail baby.

And Blissey just wasn't made for Stealth Rocking, its moveset has many other possibilities that it can use, and so many other pokemon can use Stealth Rock. So save the moveslot for something useful.

Anti November 28th, 2007 4:09 PM

No, CM blissey fails. PHazers say hi. Critical hits say hi. Physical attackers who are basically PHazing you say hi. It just is a bad set. It shrugs off special attacks fine, and raising its special attack is lol. Why?

You'll get PHazed. Or hazed. even if you kill the foe's hazer, remember that any physical swepeer like hera can blindly switch in on you while CMing and OHKOing you. and of course no one will keep blissey in...oh wait! That means the CM turns were all for nothing ;)

That would be my logic behind it ;)

Azonic November 28th, 2007 4:41 PM

Everything you said was true. I, in no way, said that Calm Mind Blissey is the best or even moderately good. But it is the BoltBeam moveset, and Houndoom666 clearly stated he wanted a moveset with Icebeam.

I would prefer the non-BoltBeam set as its more effective.

Anti November 28th, 2007 4:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azonic (Post 3124755)
Everything you said was true. I, in no way, said that Calm Mind Blissey is the best or even moderately good. But it is the BoltBeam moveset, and Houndoom666 clearly stated he wanted a moveset with Icebeam.

I would prefer the non-BoltBeam set as its more effective.

Just poitning out CM blissey fails compared to standard. and then Houndoom should go with the standard, except -ThunderWave, +Ice Beam ;)

ThePlaya November 28th, 2007 4:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houndoom666 (Post 3124513)
Ok now ive finally wised up and got a Blissey. I want to know the best moves and hold item. Ive heard choice band is good but any suggestions about the moves and held items I should use. Im getting Wifi soon and I want Blissey to be in my party.

Here it is:
Blissey lvl 63
Nature:Rash
Ability:Natural care
Light Screen
Egg bomb
Softboiled
Double-edge (I like this because Blissey's HP is soooo high and the recoil takes very little damage out.)

Im really not proud of some of his stats
HP:420
Attack:52
Defense:52
Special Attack:134
Sp.Def:179
Speed:100

Tell me if he is good at the moment. Also tell me what Blissey needs to improve.

Sorry but i have to say this
I can't believe that you actually thought Blissey with choice band is good. Two of the same typed move on a poke is MOSTLY always a FAIL. And physical moves on it=FAIL! Then it has a nature that increases its Sp.Attack and you don't have any Sp.Attack's on it. And that nature decreases its Sp.Defense=FAIL FAIL
And the reason why double edge takes very little HP from it is because blissey base attack is so weak, that it won't do much damage. The recoil that you take is based on how much damage you inflicted on your attacking target(I think is 2/3 or 1/3...i forgot:P)
So that blissey is just FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL!
Just go with the seismic tossing one if you have access to it. Or with the Egg Bombing One Ice Beaming one.
I'm sure many other helpful PC members posted it MANY times.

Anti November 28th, 2007 4:57 PM

EDIT: I'll delete what I said since Loquacity said it better than I did ;)

luke November 28th, 2007 4:57 PM

ThePlaya, you could of gotten your point across without being so condescending and harsh. Consider yourself warned for flaming.

ThePlaya November 28th, 2007 5:05 PM

wh-what??
I wasn't saying it in a mean way. I was just helping him out. I don't think I was flaming him thought. But if you guys think I was......

Anti November 28th, 2007 5:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThePlaya (Post 3124824)
wh-what??
I wasn't saying it in a mean way. I was just helping him out. I don't think I was flaming him thought. But if you guys think I was......

Um, saying fail 10 times in a row and bolding it would be flaming. you people think I'm bad :/ And half of what you said was wrong or worded horribly. Helping him? Name one suggestion you made that wasn't "this sucks." I rest my case.

"Flameland" lives up to the hype, yet again.

Anyways, Houndoom666, anything blissey-related you still need help with? Because I or any rater here can probably help since it's more OU than the "My dog ate my homework" excuse ;)

Houndoom666 November 28th, 2007 5:28 PM

Yeah, Im good on Blissey for now. Thanx.

Arcknight316 November 28th, 2007 7:18 PM

Heeheeheehee I thought I was a noob. And yeah, use the above sets.

n3croart November 28th, 2007 9:01 PM

I would go with this one:

Blissey @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 212 HP / 240 Def / 56 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Arometherapy
- Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled

Health annoys many players but watch out as Blissey is owned by Machamp.

Anti November 28th, 2007 9:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lugialord (Post 3125850)
I would go with this one:

Blissey @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 212 HP / 240 Def / 56 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Arometherapy
- Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled

Health annoys many players but watch out as Blissey is owned by Machamp.

Blissey needs max Def. EVERY time. Every last point makes a difference, sadly. Bliss can afford losing a little HP, but not Def.

Houndoom666 November 29th, 2007 2:49 PM

Should I ever use a Lucky egg while training Bliss?

ultranerd57 November 29th, 2007 3:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houndoom666 (Post 3127185)
Should I ever use a Lucky egg while training Bliss?

Um how exactly? Blissey would die trying to KO a poke. Just slap on an exp.share or rare candy it.

Sora_8920 November 29th, 2007 3:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3127250)
Um how exactly? Blissey would die trying to KO a poke. Just slap on an exp.share or rare candy it.

Actually, the In-Game Pokes are quite easy. ;)

Houndoom666 November 29th, 2007 4:01 PM

I dont like Rare Candy lvling.


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