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Gengarchomp November 28th, 2007 5:40 PM

Sandstorm sweeper
 
Are there any good special sweepers other than Lucario that are immune to sandstorm? I have a great Lucario but my friends are finding ways to counter it and I need a replacement.

Anti November 28th, 2007 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gengarchomp (Post 3124947)
Are there any good special sweepers other than Lucario that are immune to sandstorm? I have a great Lucario but my friends are finding ways to counter it and I need a replacement.

Simple Q&A thread >.>

But yeah, I'm thinking of tyranitar ;)

Glisctillery November 28th, 2007 5:47 PM

garchomp is almost always seen in a sandstorm team

Anti November 28th, 2007 5:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Glisctillery (Post 3124973)
garchomp is almost always seen in a sandstorm team

That thing haxed me and made me lose the battle :(

Dugtrio might be the best. I love that thing ;) EDIT: Keep in mind while sand veil might be temptimg, always run arena trap on Duggy.

Gengarchomp November 28th, 2007 5:52 PM

Thanks, but Garchomp and Dugtrio aren't the best Special Sweepers

Anti November 28th, 2007 5:54 PM

There are very few pokemon that can special sweep...IO'd just use Zam. It might take damage from sandstorm, but it doesn't really matter since all hits are near OHKOs anyways.

Or you could choice specs a flygon or garchomp or something...

Gengarchomp November 28th, 2007 5:59 PM

Alakazam with leftovers to cancel out sandstorm might work, but it might be even more fragile. I have been considering flygon, though.

Anti November 28th, 2007 6:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Gengarchomp (Post 3125022)
Alakazam with leftovers to cancel out sandstorm might work, but it might be even more fragile. I have been considering flygon, though.

Well sandstorm damage takes out 1/16 of your HP, which isn't much. If you specs it, it has 15 turns to attack, which is a lot. And wish support from Jirachi or Hypno would make any sweeper equal to epic win since you could wish away the damage.

Gengarchomp November 28th, 2007 6:49 PM

unfortunatly, my Garchomp is my physical sweeper and Flygon appears to be my best bet, even with its lacking special move pool. The best I can come up with is this:
[email protected] Choice scarf/specs
Nature:Modest/Rash
Moveset:
Flamethrower/Fire Blast
Draco Meteor
Earth Power/Earthquake (for Blissey)
Giga Drain/Silver Wind/Roost
EV's:252 SAtk, 252 Spd, 4 HP
I've just checked Serebii and it's the best sandstorm resistant pokemon in both Special Attack and Speed other than Lucario.

Anti November 28th, 2007 6:52 PM

Flygon won't be hurting blissey. Actually, trapinch would be better for beating blissey. Strange enoughm it gets arena trap and has 100 base Atk, which a CBed EQ will 2HKO the puffball :0

airconditioning November 28th, 2007 6:52 PM

Keep in mind that if you run Flygon and Garchomp, you're giving yourself a major Ice weak. I really would go with Zam.

Gengarchomp November 28th, 2007 7:02 PM

Alright, I'll go with zam. Any moves I should use to take advantage of the snadstorm?

ultranerd57 November 28th, 2007 7:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3125219)
Flygon won't be hurting blissey. Actually, trapinch would be better for beating blissey. Strange enoughm it gets arena trap and has 100 base Atk, which a CBed EQ will 2HKO the puffball :0

Whoa an unevolved poke with that much atk sweet. =p
But Trapinch has absolutely no speed so Trick room help is needed.

Anti November 28th, 2007 7:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3125262)
Whoa an unevolved poke with that much atk sweet. =p
But Trapinch has absolutely no speed so Trick room help is needed.

Not against blissey, but yeah. It's meant for lower tiers anyways, I just thought it was kind of funny that it could destroy the puffball.

Zqam can't take advantage of sandstorm though. Just run the usual CM or specs Zam.

Arcknight316 November 28th, 2007 7:36 PM

Camerupt has decent SATK, but it's pretty darn slow.

Your best bets are Nidoking, Magneton, and Heatran

Alakazam17 November 28th, 2007 7:44 PM

I'd reccomend Magnezone for a Special Sweeper with Sandstorm resistance. His Special Attack is great, and his Defence is enough to survive anything Weavile can throw at you. I'd also suggest putting Explosion on it for taking out Blissey. It won't be able to get her in one blow, so make sure she has lost about a fifth of her health before you attempt.

Arcknight316 November 28th, 2007 8:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Alakazam17 (Post 3125471)
I'd reccomend Magnezone for a Special Sweeper with Sandstorm resistance. His Special Attack is great, and his Defence is enough to survive anything Weavile can throw at you. I'd also suggest putting Explosion on it for taking out Blissey. It won't be able to get her in one blow, so make sure she has lost about a fifth of her health before you attempt.

actually, for Sp Sweeping, some prefer magneton, for its increased speed, altho both of them arent fast

EDIT: oh, and lunatone is an option too

Anti November 28th, 2007 8:16 PM

Lunatone can't sweep :/ Not in OUs anyways. Magneton is like a veruy solw sweeper. For me, it is halpful because it resisits boltbeam. But yeah.

Arcknight316 November 28th, 2007 8:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3125608)
Lunatone can't sweep :/ Not in OUs anyways. Magneton is like a veruy solw sweeper. For me, it is halpful because it resisits boltbeam. But yeah.

Mm....well, Scarftran ahoy!

luke November 28th, 2007 9:04 PM

Actually, if you throw Rash, Life Orb, and 88 EVs into its attack, it'll OHKO Blissey with Explosion.

Samson November 29th, 2007 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3125608)
Lunatone can't sweep :/ Not in OUs anyways. Magneton is like a veruy solw sweeper. For me, it is halpful because it resisits boltbeam. But yeah.

actually, it's slightly faster than magneton and with a MUCH better moveset than magneton (with mock boltbeam, grass knot, and STAB), it can run a choice specs set very well while not being so afraid of SpecsHeatran/SpecsMence. and better yet, it even owns Chain Chomp who can only rely on Earthquake to do decent damage and after making a failure of Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse, gets OHKOd w/ Ice Beam.

it may even take boltbeam just as well as magneton because of its rock typing and doesn't have to waste its time setting a sub/magnet rising/exploding due to a lack of coverage and weakness.

lunatone is pretty good on a sandstorm team if used well. if they gave it an evo with a little more bulk and sp atk power, it'd be quite broken and yet still underrated.

Gengarchomp November 29th, 2007 2:21 PM

My Gliscor could baton pass rock polish to Lunatone or Magnezone or something. Magneton is a little too fragile for me.

ultranerd57 November 29th, 2007 3:12 PM

Hey theres alwats Empoleon. ^_^

Sora_8920 November 29th, 2007 3:14 PM

Yeah. Empoleon is good.

Empoleon (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Agility
- Grass Knot
- Surf
- Ice Beam. ;)

Samson November 29th, 2007 3:28 PM

i just noticed we kept calling magnezone magneton o.O

but yeah, if you're looking to pass speed to Lunatone, you could always give it Wide Lens + Hypnosis to punish hazers. i suggest something across the lines of:

Lunatone @ Wide Lens
Modest/Calm Nature
224 HP/120 SP ATK/92 SP DEF/72 SPD
-Ice Beam
-Charge Beam/Psychic
-Reflect/Psychic/Grass Knot/Calm Mind/Light Screen
-Hypnosis

the problem with most sandstorm teams is that there's hardly anyone to support the team with reflect/light screen and most importantly, induce sleep. lunatone does both and has ice beam + charge beam to boot. charge beam is just a minor plus with wide lens to allow it not to miss. 72 SPD evs allows it to outspeed both weavile and gyara with one dd once gliscor passes it rock polish.

Gengarchomp November 29th, 2007 6:53 PM

Thanks for the help! Now its down to Empoleon or Lunatone. Lunatone gives good support to the team while seeping, but Empoleon and use agility. Unfortunatley I can only afford one and I need help with the final decision.
Lunatone or Empoleon?

Anti November 29th, 2007 7:09 PM

I'd go empoleon, I've never been fond of lunatone. but it can switch into EQ, which is always a plus.

ultranerd57 November 29th, 2007 7:25 PM

[email protected] life orb
Modest
72hp/ 184spd/ 252spatk
Agility
Grass knot
Ice beam
Surf

Agilipoleon FTW.

Anti November 29th, 2007 7:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3128217)
[email protected] life orb
Modest
72hp/ 184spd/ 252spatk
Agility
Grass knot
Ice beam
Surf

Agilipoleon FTW.

I'm not too keen on life orb since its other weaks to common types (fighting, ground, electric) hurt it enough. I prefer lum on it actually, I've been Twaved a million times :0

Gengarchomp November 29th, 2007 7:34 PM

I agree. the only thing I would put a life orb on is something like a spiritomb, but thats just me. I never would have thought of Empoleon on my own. I'm 89.038452% sure that I'm going with the bird.

ultranerd57 November 29th, 2007 7:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gengarchomp (Post 3128236)
I agree. the only thing I would put a life orb on is something like a spiritomb, but thats just me. I never would have thought of Empoleon on my own. I'm [/B]89.038452%[/b] sure that I'm going with the bird.

I guess that's why they say 94% of all statistics are made up. :p

Anti November 29th, 2007 7:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3128241)
I guess that's why they say 94% of all statistics are made up. :p

No they're not :/ you have to know them to win :/

And life orb on spiritomb? Isn't that thing a wall? That I wouldn't advise you do.

Samson November 30th, 2007 7:52 AM

i'm so not fond of agility empoleon. sure, give it specs with some bulk, but agility? what will that solve? ._.

it might OHKO one poke if your opponent didn't expect it, then it gets walled.

Anti November 30th, 2007 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Samson (Post 3128944)
i'm so not fond of agility empoleon. sure, give it specs with some bulk, but agility? what will that solve? ._.

it might OHKO one poke if your opponent didn't expect it, then it gets walled.

It's good for late game when nothing can outspeed it. It becomes a monster in the right hands. Agilipoleon is quite underrated.

Samson November 30th, 2007 12:42 PM

late game? correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't cressy, blissey and the bunch late-game walls? that's why belly drum / revenge kill sets are considered good for late game.

Anti November 30th, 2007 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Samson (Post 3129288)
late game? correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't cressy, blissey and the bunch late-game walls? that's why belly drum / revenge kill sets are considered good for late game.

Yeah, I'm off today :/

EARLY game it can do a bit, but you'll want to cripple that special wall first. Once you get it into killing range, you're probably going to win. If your opponent isn't properly prepared and you can destroy their wall, ouch...but specs is obviously a fine option. I probably shouldn't try to justify myself with how I've been today ;)


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