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Sandstorm sweeper
Are there any good special sweepers other than Lucario that are immune to sandstorm? I have a great Lucario but my friends are finding ways to counter it and I need a replacement.
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But yeah, I'm thinking of tyranitar ;) |
garchomp is almost always seen in a sandstorm team
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Dugtrio might be the best. I love that thing ;) EDIT: Keep in mind while sand veil might be temptimg, always run arena trap on Duggy. |
Thanks, but Garchomp and Dugtrio aren't the best Special Sweepers
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There are very few pokemon that can special sweep...IO'd just use Zam. It might take damage from sandstorm, but it doesn't really matter since all hits are near OHKOs anyways.
Or you could choice specs a flygon or garchomp or something... |
Alakazam with leftovers to cancel out sandstorm might work, but it might be even more fragile. I have been considering flygon, though.
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unfortunatly, my Garchomp is my physical sweeper and Flygon appears to be my best bet, even with its lacking special move pool. The best I can come up with is this:
[email protected] Choice scarf/specs Nature:Modest/Rash Moveset: Flamethrower/Fire Blast Draco Meteor Earth Power/Earthquake (for Blissey) Giga Drain/Silver Wind/Roost EV's:252 SAtk, 252 Spd, 4 HP I've just checked Serebii and it's the best sandstorm resistant pokemon in both Special Attack and Speed other than Lucario. |
Flygon won't be hurting blissey. Actually, trapinch would be better for beating blissey. Strange enoughm it gets arena trap and has 100 base Atk, which a CBed EQ will 2HKO the puffball :0
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Keep in mind that if you run Flygon and Garchomp, you're giving yourself a major Ice weak. I really would go with Zam.
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Alright, I'll go with zam. Any moves I should use to take advantage of the snadstorm?
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But Trapinch has absolutely no speed so Trick room help is needed. |
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Zqam can't take advantage of sandstorm though. Just run the usual CM or specs Zam. |
Camerupt has decent SATK, but it's pretty darn slow.
Your best bets are Nidoking, Magneton, and Heatran |
I'd reccomend Magnezone for a Special Sweeper with Sandstorm resistance. His Special Attack is great, and his Defence is enough to survive anything Weavile can throw at you. I'd also suggest putting Explosion on it for taking out Blissey. It won't be able to get her in one blow, so make sure she has lost about a fifth of her health before you attempt.
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EDIT: oh, and lunatone is an option too |
Lunatone can't sweep :/ Not in OUs anyways. Magneton is like a veruy solw sweeper. For me, it is halpful because it resisits boltbeam. But yeah.
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Actually, if you throw Rash, Life Orb, and 88 EVs into its attack, it'll OHKO Blissey with Explosion.
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it may even take boltbeam just as well as magneton because of its rock typing and doesn't have to waste its time setting a sub/magnet rising/exploding due to a lack of coverage and weakness. lunatone is pretty good on a sandstorm team if used well. if they gave it an evo with a little more bulk and sp atk power, it'd be quite broken and yet still underrated. |
My Gliscor could baton pass rock polish to Lunatone or Magnezone or something. Magneton is a little too fragile for me.
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Hey theres alwats Empoleon. ^_^
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Yeah. Empoleon is good.
Empoleon (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Torrent Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk) - Agility - Grass Knot - Surf - Ice Beam. ;) |
i just noticed we kept calling magnezone magneton o.O
but yeah, if you're looking to pass speed to Lunatone, you could always give it Wide Lens + Hypnosis to punish hazers. i suggest something across the lines of: Lunatone @ Wide Lens Modest/Calm Nature 224 HP/120 SP ATK/92 SP DEF/72 SPD -Ice Beam -Charge Beam/Psychic -Reflect/Psychic/Grass Knot/Calm Mind/Light Screen -Hypnosis the problem with most sandstorm teams is that there's hardly anyone to support the team with reflect/light screen and most importantly, induce sleep. lunatone does both and has ice beam + charge beam to boot. charge beam is just a minor plus with wide lens to allow it not to miss. 72 SPD evs allows it to outspeed both weavile and gyara with one dd once gliscor passes it rock polish. |
Thanks for the help! Now its down to Empoleon or Lunatone. Lunatone gives good support to the team while seeping, but Empoleon and use agility. Unfortunatley I can only afford one and I need help with the final decision.
Lunatone or Empoleon? |
I'd go empoleon, I've never been fond of lunatone. but it can switch into EQ, which is always a plus.
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Modest 72hp/ 184spd/ 252spatk Agility Grass knot Ice beam Surf Agilipoleon FTW. |
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I agree. the only thing I would put a life orb on is something like a spiritomb, but thats just me. I never would have thought of Empoleon on my own. I'm 89.038452% sure that I'm going with the bird.
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And life orb on spiritomb? Isn't that thing a wall? That I wouldn't advise you do. |
i'm so not fond of agility empoleon. sure, give it specs with some bulk, but agility? what will that solve? ._.
it might OHKO one poke if your opponent didn't expect it, then it gets walled. |
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late game? correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't cressy, blissey and the bunch late-game walls? that's why belly drum / revenge kill sets are considered good for late game.
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EARLY game it can do a bit, but you'll want to cripple that special wall first. Once you get it into killing range, you're probably going to win. If your opponent isn't properly prepared and you can destroy their wall, ouch...but specs is obviously a fine option. I probably shouldn't try to justify myself with how I've been today ;) |
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