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ultranerd57 November 29th, 2007 4:23 PM

Is this annoying enough?
 
I just thought for some strange reason if there was a team with every kind of absorbing pokemon on it how the opponent could'nt attack and came up with this. (I might not use this just an idea)

Cresselia @ lefties
252hp/ 172spdef/ 86def
Relaxed
Moonlight
Charge beam
Psychic
Thunder wave

Put this in front and anticipate the opponents attack based on what it is then switch to an absorber. = ]

Electrivire
Standard mixed Vire realky shouldn't have to post it ( yea laziness)
It's here for electric moves absorbance.

[email protected] choice scarf
Modest
56hp/ 252spatk/ 200spd
Flash fire
Flamethrower
Dragon Pulse
HP Ice
EP

Fire absorbance


[email protected]
Water Absorb
252hp/ 252atk/ 6spd
Adamant
Hypnosis
Waterfall
sub
focus punch

Water absorbance

[email protected] shed shell
252hp/ 120spdef/ 104def/ 34atk
Relaxed
-Brave bird
-Roost
-Whirlwind
-Spikes
EQ/ EP blocker


[email protected] leftovers
252hp/ 172def/ 86spdef
Calm
Aromatherapy
Toxic
Energy ball
Leech seed

Grass absorb

Houndoom666 November 29th, 2007 4:30 PM

Holy crap. Are you a genious?

ultranerd57 November 29th, 2007 4:31 PM

Edit: Pleasa no Explosion on Heatran it needs to live.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houndoom666 (Post 3127652)
Holy crap. Are you a genious?

Nope just slightly insane. =)

Sora_8920 November 29th, 2007 4:54 PM

Remember that bold is another option on Meganium. Modest >>>> Bold anyday on Heatran. Choice scarf would be beter for the Item.

ultranerd57 November 29th, 2007 4:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3127784)
Remember that bold is another option on Meganium. Modest >>>> Bold anyday on Heatran. Choice scarf would be beter for the Item.

Kk so whatcha think does it suck is it good?

luke November 29th, 2007 5:00 PM

Houndoom666, that was spam. Do it again and you're getting another warning.

Sora_8920 November 29th, 2007 5:00 PM

It's pretty decent. I like the SubPunching Version of Poliwrath.

Poliwrath @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EV's: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Ice Punch / Rock Slide
- Hypnosis / Waterfall / Brick Break.

Houndoom666 November 29th, 2007 5:08 PM

Itachi thinks it sucks dontcha? JK It is a good idea to some extent.

Sora_8920 November 29th, 2007 5:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houndoom666 (Post 3127853)
Itachi thinks it sucks dontcha? JK It is a good idea to some extent.

I said it was pretty decent. I didn't say it sucked. 0_o

luke November 29th, 2007 5:14 PM

Houndoom666, seriously stop it. One more and you're getting your fifth warning.

Azonic November 29th, 2007 5:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3127816)
Houndoom666, that was spam. Do it again and you're getting another warning.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houndoom666 (Post 3127853)
Itachi thinks it sucks dontcha? JK It is a good idea to some extent.

:D

Heatran doesn't need that much defensive EVs. At least max out SAttack

ultranerd57 November 29th, 2007 5:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3127817)
It's pretty decent. I like the SubPunching Version of Poliwrath.

Poliwrath @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EV's: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Ice Punch / Rock Slide
- Hypnosis / Waterfall / Brick Break.

Changed. So any ideas on Cressy?

Sora_8920 November 29th, 2007 5:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azonic (Post 3127903)
:D

Heatran doesn't need that much defensive EVs. At least max out SAttack

Um. Yeah. The Ev Spread for Choice Scarf, (the suggestion I gave) is 48 HP / 252 SAtk / 208 Spd. But for his Spread, it would be 56 HP / 252 SAtk / 200 Spd. IMO. He doesn't even run Defensive EV's. Unless you're running novelty.

ultranerd57 November 29th, 2007 7:34 PM

How about steel wing on Swellow (carefully disguise your bumps young padawan). =]

luke November 29th, 2007 7:36 PM

You know full well that's a terrible move. No bumping your thread like that. >X

ultranerd57 November 29th, 2007 7:50 PM

Ok but seriously Swellow still needs a fourth move (or maybe not hmm). But i need something on cressy how 'bout.
[email protected] lefties
252hp/ 172spdef/ 86def
Relaxed
Charge beam
Psychic
Calm mind
WoW
if it can learn WoW i've never used it before.

Arsibiyez November 29th, 2007 10:26 PM

Nope, no WoW on Cressy, unfortunately. =[

But you can have her inflict paralysis instead, though. Just put Thunder Wave where WoW would be on that set.

EDIT: Maybe Moonlight should be up there somewhere...
EDIT 2: On Swellow, you might like Roost, U-Turn, Pluck (lol), Brave Bird (instead of AA), or Endeavor (lol 2). Just a few suggestions on potential moves I found while messing around in Serebii. =]

Scorp Con November 30th, 2007 12:34 AM

Poliwrath @ Chesto Berry
- Belly Drum
- Brick Break
- Toxic/Substitute
- Rest

Sora_8920 November 30th, 2007 4:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Madridista (Post 3128570)
Poliwrath @ Chesto Berry
- Belly Drum
- Brick Break
- Toxic/Substitute
- Rest

Ultranerd, Calm on Cressy. And as for this, no comment. I lol'd. BB is the move I found on there, and Chesto Berry is lol.

Dark Azelf November 30th, 2007 4:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3127604)
I just thought for some strange reason if there was a team with every kind of absorbing pokemon on it how the opponent could'nt attack and came up with this. (I might not use this just an idea)

Cresselia @ lefties
252hp/ 252 DEF / 6 SP.DEF
Relaxed
Rest
Charge beam
Psychic / Ice Beam
Calm mind

You dont want to lead with this. Max def and hp, allow for better walling as you have Calm Mind to buff up you sp.def, its like Calm Mind Cune, if you set up one or two Calm Minds your basically invincible on both physical and special sides. I also like rest >> Moonlight because of Tyranitar, Hippowdons sandstream which makes Moonlight ultimately fail, Rest is also better to absorb status.

Electrivire
Standard mixed Vire realky shouldn't have to post it ( yea laziness)
It's here for electric moves absorbance.

Yep

[email protected] choice scarf
Modest
56hp/ 252spatk/ 200spd
Flash fire
Flamethrower
Dragon pulse / Explosion
HP Ice
EP

Yep Heatran pwns, dragon pulse or explosion to take out threatening dragons such as Garchomp and is really needed as Flash Cannon has LOL type coverage



[email protected]
Water Absorb
252hp/ 252atk/ 6spd
Adamant
Rock Slide
Waterfall
sub
focus punch

Sub Punching Poliwrath, this is great IMO


[email protected] flame orb
Guts
252spd/ 252atk /6hp
Adamant
Facade
Brave Bird
Quick attack / Protect
U-turn / Protect

Yep again looks fine.


[email protected] leftovers
204 HP / 148 Def / 12 Sp.def / 144 SpAtk
Calm
Aromatherapy
Light Screen / Reflect
Energy ball
Leech seed


Unfortunately it doesnt learn Sleep powder, unless its some event that im unaware of.


Changes are in bold -

You want to lead with Swellow to scout with U-Turn or Protect.

Syaoran November 30th, 2007 7:26 AM

I would recommend Grass Knot instead of Charge Beam if you're gonna use a Calm Mind Cresselia.. Charge Beam isn't really needed if you'll be raising your Sp.atk with Calm Mind. Grass Knot at least hits suppereffective on Tyranitar, can be used against Gyarados too. I'd never consider her as a Gyarados counter anyway, even with Charge Beam.

Also try Toxic Orb on Swellow instead of Burn orb.

Arcknight316 November 30th, 2007 3:36 PM

pretty nice, although, vaporeon over poliwrath

Sora_8920 November 30th, 2007 3:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3129778)
pretty nice, although, vaporeon over poliwrath

Vaporeon >>>>>>> Poliwrath in 4th Gen anyday.

Syaoran November 30th, 2007 3:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3129793)
Vaporeon >>>>>>> Poliwrath in 4th Gen anyday.

I strongly disagree. Poliwrath has a STAB fighting move, and more importantly, Hypnosis. Not saying it is better than Vaporeon, but both have their merits.

Arcknight316 November 30th, 2007 3:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syaoran (Post 3129800)
I strongly disagree. Poliwrath has a STAB fighting move, and more importantly, Hypnosis. Not saying it is better than Vaporeon, but both have their merits.

Well, Vaporeon gets Yawn, although Yawn is used more for PHazing then for sleeping.

luke November 30th, 2007 3:54 PM

Both Vaporeon and Poliwrath are bulky waters with their own strengths and weaknesses. I prefer Vaporeon for it's Wishpassing, high HP/Special Attack/Special Defense, and it possesses less weaknesses. Poliwrath however has two powerful offensive types (Water and Fighting) and Hypnosis. Go with what you feel fits your team better.

Sora_8920 November 30th, 2007 3:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3129851)
Both Vaporeon and Poliwrath are bulky waters with their own strengths and weaknesses. I prefer Vaporeon for it's Wishpassing, high HP/Special Attack/Special Defense, and it possesses less weaknesses. Poliwrath however has two powerful offensive types (Water and Fighting) and Hypnosis. Go with what you feel fits your team better.

Yeah. I prefer Vappy too. That's why I posted that. ;)

luke November 30th, 2007 3:56 PM

It would of helped if you had posted your reasoning why rather than Vaporeon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poliwrath Itachi. Please remember this in the future.

Anti November 30th, 2007 5:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3129793)
Vaporeon >>>>>>> Poliwrath in 4th Gen anyday.

lol, then explain to me why Poliwrath would mow over your entire team "any day." Poliwrath can belly drum, bulk up, use hypnosis, haze...this thing has a tremendous movepool and is very bulky. It dominates UUs in the correct hands and I've done some damage with it in OUs. It is a beast. Some teams actually aren't prepared for poliwrath, while most teams are ready for Vappy. No it isn't better than Vappy, but that is a terrible conclusion you've made there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syaoran (Post 3129800)
I strongly disagree. Poliwrath has a STAB fighting move, and more importantly, Hypnosis. Not saying it is better than Vaporeon, but both have their merits.

Agreed. It can actually run a set just like breloom's with the same base speed, only it has hypnosis rather than spore and less attack. But hey, poli can take hits WAY better and has STAB waterfall.

Samson November 30th, 2007 6:16 PM

well i'm not attempting to speak for itachi, but vaporeon is a pain the arse. it's never so easy to kill. poliwrath on the otherhand wouldn't be so much a bother to get rid of. i suppose that's why i prefer it with belly drum among other options.

ultranerd57 November 30th, 2007 6:58 PM

I think I'll take Poliwrath over to Shoddy tomorrow and see if its any good then try Vappy and compare them.

Anti November 30th, 2007 7:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3130599)
I think I'll take Poliwrath over to Shoddy tomorrow and see if its any good then try Vappy and compare them.

They are two totally different pokemon, so that would be a waste of your time, and is also why Itachio's claim was so bogus. They have different roles, it's like comparing blissey and specsmence as physical sweepers, it makes no sense.

ultranerd57 November 30th, 2007 7:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3130606)
They are two totally different pokemon, so that would be a waste of your time, and is also why Itachio's claim was so bogus. They have different roles, it's like comparing blissey and specsmence as physical sweepers, it makes no sense.

Well theres still the issue if I can properly put them to good use. I may not have a soul but I still make human mistakes. =/

Anti November 30th, 2007 7:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3130615)
Well theres still the issue if I can properly put them to good use. I may not have a soul but I still make human mistakes. =/

I was only pointing out why that would be a waste of your time :/

In other news, no team is prepared for salac berried subbing belly drumming poliwrath! Sweeps unprepared teams :0 Which is sad because it's UU :0

ultranerd57 November 30th, 2007 7:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3130619)
I was only pointing out why that would be a waste of your time :/

In other news, no team is prepared for salac berried subbing belly drumming poliwrath! Sweeps unprepared teams :0 Which is sad because it's UU :0

Hmm got nothing else but time (hence I play pokemon =]).

And soon people will realize the power of the UU. Haha.. cough ugh someone else evil laugh please I got a cold.

And I've got sub punching Wrath what'd Belly drum look like?

Anti November 30th, 2007 7:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3130659)
Hmm got nothing else but time (hence I play pokemon =]).

And soon people will realize the power of the UU. Haha.. cough ugh someone else evil laugh please I got a cold.

And I've got sub punching Wrath what'd Belly drum look like?

I'm honestly too tired to post the set, but it works well with correct prediction.

Samson November 30th, 2007 7:26 PM

o.O did i play you with my Poliwrath? XD

Syaoran November 30th, 2007 7:28 PM

I don't know if you wanna give Belly Drum to a pokemon without a priority move. Even after a salac boost it is outsped by Jolteon, Crobat and Aerodactyl and other Choice Scarfers. The SubPunching set seems more appealing.

ultranerd57 November 30th, 2007 7:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samson (Post 3130698)
o.O did i play you with my Poliwrath? XD

I've fought lots of people and I remember one Poliwrath what's your username? Maybe it was you.

Samson November 30th, 2007 7:34 PM

yah it's still slow, but that's the point of sub. if you use sub and they switch in jolteon, you waterfall the fool and if it doesn't OHKO him, gtfo after he breaks your sub.

on that note, poliwhirl is always an option for sub + belly drum.

EDIT: oh i haven't battled you yet, that's for sure. i was asking anti if we've battled. i don't remember using poliwrath on him, but i have used it on a couple people here and it swept both times.

ultranerd57 November 30th, 2007 7:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samson (Post 3130727)
yah it's still slow, but that's the point of sub. if you use sub and they switch in jolteon, you waterfall the fool and if it doesn't OHKO him, gtfo after he breaks your sub.

on that note, poliwhirl is always an option for sub + belly drum.

EDIT: oh i haven't battled you yet, that's for sure. i was asking anti if we've battled. i don't remember using poliwrath on him, but i have used it on a couple people here and it swept both times.

Wow everyones a fan of taking health away from Wrath. But you could give it EQ to combat the jolteon threat.

Anti November 30th, 2007 7:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3130740)
Wow everyones a fan of taking health away from Wrath. But you could give it EQ to combat the jolteon threat.

STAB waterfall is enough with 60 base Def. It's like gengar :0

And no, I've only battled people from here in ADV mostly. And you have to take its health away to sweep.

ultranerd57 December 1st, 2007 7:27 AM

Ok just got back from shoddy and despite the majority of my opponents being n00bs (read my sig its hilarious =p) I like the Poliwrath that I used it murdered Bliss so I'm going to go with him but my team doesn't do so great against Hera anything I can change for a good counter.

Sora_8920 December 1st, 2007 7:28 AM

You want a Counter for Hera? Brave Bird Skarmory can work. But you'll have to Breed for it.

ultranerd57 December 1st, 2007 7:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3132402)
You want a Counter for Hera? Brave Bird Skarmory can work. But you'll have to Breed for it.

Yeah I'll put that over Swellow it was outdone by Heras Stone edge which lead to my unfortunate demise.

[email protected] lefties
252hp/ 120spdef/ 104def/ 34atk
Relaxed
Brave bird
Whirlwind
Roost
Spikes

That any good?
Oh and its Shoddy Itachi I don't have to breed. =p

Sora_8920 December 1st, 2007 7:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3132432)
Yeah I'll put that over Swellow it was outdone by Heras Stone edge which lead to my unfortunate demise.

[email protected] lefties
252hp/ 120spdef/ 104def/ 34atk
Relaxed
Brave bird
Whirlwind
Roost
Spikes

That any good?
Oh and its Shoddy Itachi I don't have to breed. =p

Oh. XD. Yeah, that's good. Shed Shell if you're worried about Magnezone. DA prefers it on his new Team. And I do too. (But I don't have a new Team, XD)

Dark Azelf December 1st, 2007 8:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3132457)
Oh. XD. Yeah, that's good. Shed Shell if you're worried about Magnezone. DA prefers it on his new Team. And I do too. (But I don't have a new Team, XD)

Yep and as i see it you have Roost this gen and its a more immediate means of recovery, where as his only means of recovery in 3rd gen was Rest and Leftovers. Now Roost is enough without leftovers as it restores 1/2 your Hp without having to rest two turns (and to a lesser extent even Probopass can screw you up aswell with Magnet Pull, Taunt and Thunderbolt.)

Having said that Anti-Pop says its easy to scout for Magnezone, however i dont believe thats the case, you dont know when they have one so this is why i feel Shed Shell is a must on Skarmory.

Also, Keeping your physical wall >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. leftovers recovery


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