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Waker of Chaos November 30th, 2007 10:39 AM

No Shared Weaknesses - RMT
 
Togekiss @ Wise Glasses; Serene Grace
Timid; 4 HP, 252 Special Attack, 176 Special Defense, 80 Speed
Tri Attack
Air Slash
Aura Sphere
Wish/Roost

Lucario @ Choice Specs; Steadfast
Timid; 4 HP, 252 Speed, 252 Special Attack
Aura Sphere
Flash Cannon
Psychic
Water Pulse

Spiritomb @ Leftovers; Pressure
Calm; 252 HP, 176 Special Defense, 80 Defense
Dark Pulse
Shadow Ball
Will-O-Wisp
Taunt

Swampert @ Muscle Band; Torrent
Adamant; 252 Attack, 176 HP, 80 Speed
Waterfall
Earthquake
Ice Punch
Curse

Alakazam @ Life Orb; Synchronize
Modest; 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Psychic
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball
Energy Ball

Kingdra @ Scope Lens; Sniper
Modest; 252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 4 HP
Surf
Dragon Pulse
Ice Beam
Hidden Power (Electric)

Palkia @ Lustrous Orb; Pressure
Modest; 252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 4 HP
Surf
Spacial Rend
Aura Sphere
Earth Power

Yes, I know there's seven Pokémon here... I can't decide whether to use Palkia or Kingdra (probably Palkia). I also can't decide between Wish or Roost for Togekiss.

The team should be suitable for the item and species clauses. No two or more Pokémon are to share even one common weakness, with the only exception being Spiritomb's forced weakness to Fighting (the opponent has to use Foresight, Scrappy, or [maybe] Odor Sleuth to make that happen).

Have at it.

FIXES
Spiritomb's Embargo replaced with Taunt.
Kingdra's Signal Beam replaced with Hidden Power.

luke November 30th, 2007 11:20 AM

Okay, I'm guessing this is in-game, so it doesn't matter. If this is for competitive battles, Palkia isn't allowed. Spiritomb can also be exploited by the ability Scrappy, which allows Normal- and Fighting-type moves to hit Ghost-types.

Waker of Chaos November 30th, 2007 11:24 AM

This team's not just for in-game, it's for WiFi as well.

Between Kingdra and Palkia, I'd mainly use Palkia. The only way I'd use Kingdra is for a tournament with a "no ubers" rule.

luke November 30th, 2007 11:33 AM

Well, most people won't battle ubers. X.x; If you want Special Lucario run:

Lucario @ Choice Specs
Nature: Timid
Ability: Steadfast
EV Spread: 6 HP/ 252 SPD / 252 SPATK

Aura Sphere
Dark Pulse
Dragon Pulse / Hidden Power [Ice]
Vacuum Wave

Not sure on the last move. O_o;

Embargo on Spiritomb = No. Run this if you want Special Spiritomb:

Spiritomb @ Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Trait: Wonder Guard Pressure
EV Spread: Honestly, I'm not sure.

Dark Pulse
Hidden Power [Fighting]
Will-O-Wisp
Taunt

Cursepert is fail. Run Mixpert or some other form of Swampert. Just not Cursepert.

Alakazam looks good I suppose.

Kingdra runs this better:

Kingdra @ Life Orb
Nature: Lonely
Trait: Swift Swim
EV Spread: 102 HP / 212 ATK / 16 SPD / 180 SPATK

Surf
Waterfall
Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
Rain Dance

Mixdra all the way.

I see this team being walled by Blissey if Lucario is taken out.

Waker of Chaos November 30th, 2007 11:40 AM

The problem with your Lucario is he doesn't have a Steel-type attack to kill Ice and Rock with, he doesn't cover his weaknesses well enough, and the moves you're using are supereffective against only two types without being a STAB move. I don't like it.

Spiritomb must have a Ghost-type attack. I could use Taunt instead of Embargo, but I want both STAB attacks.

I can't decipher Pokébbreviations, but with your example on Kingdra, I'd guess "Mixpert" would be a mixed sweeper. I have, what, three special sweepers already? I don't think I need a mixed sweeper, I think I need a physical one. What would you replace Curse with, if it's so terrible on Swampert?

Again, I don't want a mixed sweeper unless absolutely necessary. If Kingdra had a physical Dragon move, it would have been a physical sweeper, but there's no Dragon Claw or Dragon Rush available for him/her, so special sweeper it was. If I were to run a mixed sweeper Kingdra, I'd do something like this.

Kingdra @ Scope Lens; Swift Swim
Lonely; 252 Speed, 176 Attack, 80 Special Attack
Waterfall
Dragon Pulse
Ice Beam
Rain Dance

luke November 30th, 2007 11:42 AM

Fighting hits Ice and Rock-types for Super Effective damage. X.x; So you don't need Steel. Why must it have a Ghost-type move? Dark hits Psychic and Ghost-types Super Effective - while not being resisted by Normal-types. Kingdra doesn't need all that Speed. With Rain Dance in effect, it will outrun every OU Pokemon.

Sora_8920 November 30th, 2007 11:43 AM

You can run the HP [Electric] version of Kingdra.

Kingdra @ Life orb / Leftovers
Trait: Swift Swim
EV's: 240 HP / 252 SAtk / 16 Spe
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Rain Dance
- Surf/ Hydro Pump
- Dragon Pulse
- HP [Electric]. I like these Set. But yeah. pretty much the same Set. Edit: This is also called the Special version.

Waker of Chaos November 30th, 2007 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3129180)
Fighting hits Ice and Rock-types for Super Effective damage. X.x; So you don't need Steel.

I want both STAB attacks. That's not up for debate.

Lucario's keeping Flash Cannon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3129183)
You can run the HP [Electric] version of Kingdra.

Kingdra @ Life orb / Leftovers
Trait: Swift Swim
EV's: 240 HP / 252 SAtk / 16 Spe
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Rain Dance
- Surf/ Hydro Pump
- Dragon Pulse
- HP [Electric]. I like these Set. But yeah. pretty much the same Set.

That is pretty much the same, and Ice hits more than Electric. I'm curious why you suggested it.

Sora_8920 November 30th, 2007 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3129185)
I want both STAB attacks. That's not up for debate.

Lucario's keeping Flash Cannon.

You asked for a Rate, so take the advice. Otherwise, have a closed Thread, and possibly, a warning. Edit: I suggested it because it's not Mixed, which means It's different, Lol. It's Special, if you want to know.

luke November 30th, 2007 11:46 AM

Opened because I discussed the matter with Waker_of_Chaos. I will have no arguing in this thread. Y'hear? Just rates AND explanations of their advice/why you don't want to use it.

Waker of Chaos November 30th, 2007 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3129189)
Opened because I discussed the matter with Waker_of_Chaos. I will have no arguing in this thread. Y'hear? Just rates AND explanations of their advice/why you don't want to use it.

Thank you.

For those who look at this thread, I don't want to use what everyone else does. That's the main reason I wanted to keep Flash Cannon on Lucario, among other things. I'll listen to advice, but don't expect me to just do everything you say; I do have my own thoughts, and it is my team.

Thanks, and have at it again.

Anti November 30th, 2007 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3129215)
Thank you.

For those who look at this thread, I don't want to use what everyone else does. That's the main reason I wanted to keep Flash Cannon on Lucario, among other things. I'll listen to advice, but don't expect me to just do everything you say; I do have my own thoughts, and it is my team.

Thanks, and have at it again.

Keep in mind the standards work best. but if you hate them, fine by me, but things like flash cannon lucario aren't going to work to your benefit. the sets still have to work ;)

And Itachi suggested HP electric for the boltbeam combo, which covers a lot. though kingdra NEEDS NO SPEED EVS. Now then...

Cursepert is terribly easy to wall, especially with no means to recover. I'd put rest over waterfall (or roar would work) or maybe just run mixpert.

Waker of Chaos November 30th, 2007 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3129275)
Keep in mind the standards work best. but if you hate them, fine by me, but things like flash cannon lucario aren't going to work to your benefit. the sets still have to work ;)

And Itachi suggested HP electric for the boltbeam combo, which covers a lot. though kingdra NEEDS NO SPEED EVS. Now then...

Cursepert is terribly easy to wall, especially with no means to recover. I'd put rest over waterfall (or roar would work) or maybe just run mixpert.

Yeah, but then I'd have to be careful of Shedinja, Lanturn, and Magnezone... Though, one of those gets hit by Water just fine, and the other two can be taken care of by other Pokémon.

As for Swampert, I could replace Curse with Roar...

Anti November 30th, 2007 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3129284)
Yeah, but then I'd have to be careful of Shedinja, Lanturn, and Magnezone... Though, one of those gets hit by Water just fine, and the other two can be taken care of by other Pokémon.

As for Swampert, I could replace Curse with Roar...

No good players use sheddy in OUs.

My problem with this team is that the only pokemon that can actually wall by switching into stuff in spiritomb. If that dies you're kind of screwed. You'll want to get rid of probably togekiss and add a wall, and hopefully it can be a beller for you.

Waker of Chaos November 30th, 2007 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3129290)
No good players use sheddy in OUs.

My problem with this team is that the only pokemon that can actually wall by switching into stuff in spiritomb. If that dies you're kind of screwed. You'll want to get rid of probably togekiss and add a wall, and hopefully it can be a beller for you.

Yeah, but it would need to be a Normal/Flying one. Any ideas?

Anti November 30th, 2007 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3129295)
Yeah, but it would need to be a Normal/Flying one. Any ideas?

Would you please explain why? Nothing with that typing can really wall :/ I just don't see the point.

Waker of Chaos November 30th, 2007 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3129301)
Would you please explain why? Nothing with that typing can really wall :/ I just don't see the point.

The main idea of this team is that no two Pokémon share even one common weakness. I can't use Cresselia or Blissey because Alakazam and Lucario are already weak to Bug, Ghost, Dark, and Fighting, respectively. Spiritomb is the only exception, assuming my opponent uses Foresight, Odor Sleuth, or Scrappy.

J-Rad November 30th, 2007 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3129136)
This team's not just for in-game, it's for WiFi as well.

Between Kingdra and Palkia, I'd mainly use Palkia. The only way I'd use Kingdra is for a tournament with a "no ubers" rule.

as stated before a lot pf battels are "no ubers"

Anti November 30th, 2007 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3129305)
The main idea of this team is that no two Pokémon share even one common weakness. I can't use Cresselia or Blissey because Alakazam and Lucario are already weak to Bug, Ghost, Dark, and Fighting, respectively. Spiritomb is the only exception, assuming my opponent uses Foresight, Odor Sleuth, or Scrappy.

No offense, but that is just a really terrible idea. I'd be happy to explain. none of your pokemon have any good resistances they can take advantage of, so it'll be very hard to actually switch into fierce stuff like specsmence.

Onw weak that is quite bad is Spikes. That will lose you the gaem, and you don't have spinner support. you also need a beller. Too many weaknesses is bad, but I'd focus more on resistances. It's good to have a rock and normal resist, and also preferably something with levitate or flying type to switch into Earthquake.

airconditioning November 30th, 2007 12:53 PM

Shedinja: Nobody uses Shedinja. If they do, you can either switch or Roar him away.

Lanturn: Nobody uses him either. Plus, Swampert hits him with Earthquake.

Magnezone: Nobody would be retarded enough to send a Magnezone in on a Swampert unless it was running HP Grass, in which case you should get out immediately.

EDIT: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Gamerman/Image%20Macros/079.png

Waker of Chaos November 30th, 2007 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3129315)
No offense, but that is just a really terrible idea. I'd be happy to explain. none of your pokemon have any good resistances they can take advantage of, so it'll be very hard to actually switch into fierce stuff like specsmence.

Onw weak that is quite bad is Spikes. That will lose you the gaem, and you don't have spinner support. you also need a beller. Too many weaknesses is bad, but I'd focus more on resistances. It's good to have a rock and normal resist, and also preferably something with levitate or flying type to switch into Earthquake.

Apparently, all of my ideas are bad. Maybe I should just quit and never play video games again, or better yet, just use what everyone else does. Yeah, then I'll really be happy with my team that I worked so hard on. [/sarcasm]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragonzilla25 (Post 3129314)
as stated before a lot pf battels are "no ubers"

That doesn't help me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3129320)
Shedinja: Nobody uses Shedinja. If they do, you can either switch or Roar him away.

Lanturn: Nobody uses him either. Plus, Swampert hits him with Earthquake.

Magnezone: Nobody would be retarded enough to send a Magnezone in on a Swampert unless it was running HP Grass, in which case you should get out immediately.

Okay then.

Anti November 30th, 2007 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3129323)
Apparently, all of my ideas are bad. Maybe I should just quit and never play video games again, or better yet, just use what everyone else does. Yeah, then I'll really be happy with my team that I worked so hard on. [/sarcasm]

???

That doesn't help me.

Agreed, but you shou;dn't use ubers. Though I lvoe how people feel the urgwe to repeat somethign that's been said about 5 times.

Okay then.

I don't really know what to say...what do you plan to do?

luke November 30th, 2007 12:56 PM

He's right though. I use to build teams using the "only one of a type on my team" before. It's not an effective method of team building. And everyone, let's control the sarcasm and tempers before this gets out of hand.

airconditioning November 30th, 2007 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3129323)
Apparently, all of my ideas are bad. Maybe I should just quit and never play video games again, or better yet, just use what everyone else does. Yeah, then I'll really be happy with my team that I worked so hard on. [/sarcasm]

Oh, quit whining. If you want to be original, you're gonna have a had time finding something that works, because pretty much all of the good sets have been found already. If you hate the standards and want to be original, that's fine. But please don't whine when people suggest things that work over things that don't.

Waker of Chaos November 30th, 2007 1:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3129327)
I don't really know what to say...what do you plan to do?

I just don't want to use what everyone else does. And I'd like to keep my team's theme intact.

I'm not an elitist. I just want to play a game that doesn't have all these freaking clauses and tiers and "this is what you do with this Pokémon, never do what you're doing".

That's what I want. But I guess my wish won't come true, because far too many people battle "competitively" in this game, too many people who play Yu-Gi-Oh! are elitist idiots, and I'm generally sick of it.

So yeah, I'll stick to games like The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess and Final Fantasy. Clearly I'm not elitist enough to play Pokémon.

God, I hate when a game turns out like this, just because other people are obsessed with winning (not you guys, the general public). What the hell happened to FUN?!

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3129332)
Oh, quit whining. If you want to be original, you're gonna have a had time finding something that works, because pretty much all of the good sets have been found already. If you hate the standards and want to be original, that's fine. But please don't whine when people suggest things that work over things that don't.

That does it, LEAVE.

luke November 30th, 2007 1:01 PM

Okay, now this thread has overstayed it's welcome. I can see a flamewar coming, so this time I'm closing the thread for good.

We're not elitist, we have fun with good move sets. Sorry if our style offends you.


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