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ultranerd57 December 2nd, 2007 8:37 AM

Just another day at PC.
 
RMT 'til you drop.


[email protected] leftovers
Careful
204hp/ 170spdef/ 136def
Curse
Body slam
EQ
Rest



Entei @ Wide Lens
Adamant Nature
252 ATK/132 HP/124 SPD
-Fire Fang
-Stone Edge
-Will-o-Wisp
-Substitute

Figured I'd give it a shot.

[email protected] leftovers
252hp/ 76def/ 180spdef
Careful
-Pain split
-Shadow Sneak
-Fire Punch
-WoW



[email protected] leftovers
Impish
252hp/ 252def/ 6atk
Knock off
Leech seed
Sleep powder
Power whip
Sleep powder




Dragonite @ Life orb
Adamant
252spd/ 252atk/ 6hp
Stone edge
Dragon Claw
DD
Fire punch



[email protected] choice specs
Timid
252spd/ 252spatk/ 6hp
Psychic
HP fighting
Shadow ball
Energy ball

HP over focus blast for accuracy.

This will be my new Shoddy team hope its good.

Dark Azelf December 2nd, 2007 8:43 AM

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Impish nature
252 HP / 252 DEF /6 ATT
- Power Whip
- leech Seed
- Sleep Powder
- Knock Off / Stun Spore.


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evs: 76HP / 44ATK / 136DEF / 252SP.DEF
Careful Nature
- Fire Punch /Earthquake
- Body Slam
- Curse
- Rest

ultranerd57 December 2nd, 2007 8:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3137422)
[email protected]
Impish nature
252 HP / 252 DEF /6 ATT
- Power Whip
- leech Seed
- Sleep Powder
- Knock Off / Stun Spore.


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evs: 76HP / 44ATK / 136DEF / 252SP.DEF
Careful Nature
- Fire Punch /Earthquake
- Body Slam
- Curse
- Rest

Ok changed and I just realized I forgot to put natures and added them.

J-Rad December 2nd, 2007 9:36 AM

DDnite CAN get ice punch...emerald ttor move...;)

ultranerd57 December 2nd, 2007 9:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragonzilla25 (Post 3137587)
DDnite CAN get ice punch...emerald ttor move...;)

Are you serious 'cause I asked in Q and A and they said it couldn't.

[email protected] expert belt
Adamant
252spd/ 252atk/ 6hp
-Ice punch
-Dragon Claw
-Brick Break
-EQ

This is what I wanted to post.

Dark Azelf December 2nd, 2007 9:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3137601)
Are you serious 'cause I asked in Q and A and they said it couldn't.

[email protected] expert belt
Adamant
252spd/ 252atk/ 6hp
-Ice punch
-Dragon Claw
-Brick Break
-EQ

This is what I wanted to post.

it still needs dragon dance >> Brick Break and Fire Punch/Fire Blast >> ice Punch gives it much better type coverage.
.

ultranerd57 December 2nd, 2007 9:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3137604)
it still needs dragon dance >> Brick Break and Fire Punch/Fire Blast >> ice Punch gives it much better type coverage.
.

Yeah but I'm trying to get a lead pokemon that can counter the opponents lead based on what I've seen so what if I replace Dragon Claw with DD.

Iceman3k December 2nd, 2007 10:03 AM

Dragon Claw hit ALL Dragon Attackers Super-Effectively. Stone Edge helps it against the Flying variety. It makes me think, why would you waste time getting Ice Punch on it?

As a matter of fact, why would you use Dragonite as a lead anyway? He's supposed to be a clean-up sweeper.

Anti December 2nd, 2007 10:46 AM

Entei really isn't the best PHazer, but okay. It's going to need more speed.

Extric December 2nd, 2007 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3137613)
Yeah but I'm trying to get a lead pokemon that can counter the opponents lead based on what I've seen so what if I replace Dragon Claw with DD.

Listen to Iceman, keep Dragon Claw so you can hit Dragons hard with STAB. A DDnite's moveset needs to look like this:

- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw / Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast

Anti December 2nd, 2007 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex Rextron (Post 3137815)
Listen to Iceman, keep Dragon Claw so you can hit Dragons hard with STAB. A DDnite's moveset needs to look like this:

- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw / Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast

Fire Punch really works a lot better IMO since it's for late-game sweeping anyways. And outrage > Dragon Claw IMO. If you fear skarm switch-ins, throw in magnezone and destroy it.

Azonic December 2nd, 2007 10:54 AM

Zam needs Timid to outrun Weavile and other threats.

Erm... use TrickSpecsZam cos I said so xD. Its my favorite and it can annoy the poop outta Blissey

Iceman3k December 2nd, 2007 10:56 AM

Not even Timid Zam can outrun Weavile :p
But yes, Alakazam requires Timid Nature for a first strike on most targets. Just don't try to attack anything that gets a higher Speed Base than it.

Anti December 2nd, 2007 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azonic (Post 3137843)
Zam needs Timid to outrun Weavile and other threats.

Erm... use TrickSpecsZam cos I said so xD. Its my favorite and it can annoy the poop outta Blissey

I switch into my special sweeper when Zam comes :P Absorbs teh specs and HAMMERS that thing.

But I think weavile has the same base speed as Zam. It can kill you, so you might be dead anyways :P Timid is more like for Gengar. Though modest is underrated (not better :P), as more power = tougher to stop.

EDIT: weavile is faster than Zam anyways :/

ultranerd57 December 2nd, 2007 11:26 AM

Ok I'll change Zam to Timid but sorry Azonic I'd like to keep my specs for more power instead of give them to Blissey when I could just switch in Wrath and Focus punch it dead if it stays.

And I like Dragonite alot and most people wouldn't expect it as a lead which is why I put it (also because again I thought of it to counter all the leads that I usually see on Shoddy) but I'll change it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3137809)
Entei really isn't the best PHazer, but okay. It's going to need more speed.

Switched atk EVs into spd will it work now?

Anti December 2nd, 2007 11:31 AM

Okay, just why does Entei have all these HP EVs? what are the for? WoW IS your line of Def, HP EVs is unncessary. Pump up its attack and speed stats if you want it to be able to sweep at all.

EDIT: DO NOT use DDnite as a lead. It doesn't counter weavile and it never will.

ultranerd57 December 2nd, 2007 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3138000)
Okay, just why does Entei have all these HP EVs? what are the for? WoW IS your line of Def, HP EVs is unncessary. Pump up its attack and speed stats if you want it to be able to sweep at all.

EDIT: DO NOT use DDnite as a lead. It doesn't counter weavile and it never will.

Ok so how 'bout Wrath as my lead.
Can you tell me the spread for Entei cause I'm going to make you mad if this keeps up.

Iceman3k December 2nd, 2007 11:36 AM

Okay, here are the consequences of what happens if you use Dragonite as a lead

"Hey Dragonite! I'm Heracross!
*Stone Edge*"

"DRAGONITE MAH BOIII! IT'S YA PAL SALAMENCE!
*Draco Meteor*"

"Dragonite. I'm Sub-Zero Weavile. We shall combat!
*Ice Punch*"

"Hi Draggy! My name's Medicham! Let's Dance!
*Ice Punch*"

I can think of around 7 more reasons why Dragonite (a clean-up sweeper) DOESN'T make a useful lead.
Also, use Snorlax for a lead and and a Ghost type to back him up.

Anti December 2nd, 2007 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3138012)
Ok so how 'bout Wrath as my lead.
Can you tell me the spread for Entei cause I'm going to make you mad if this keeps up.

Poliwrath as a lead? Um, lead with something that can compete with common leads, Poli does not fit that description...

And just run sttandard aweeper EVs for Entei. Maybe give it a little more bulk if you wish, but along those lines.

ultranerd57 December 2nd, 2007 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3138034)
Poliwrath as a lead? Um, lead with something that can compete with common leads, Poli does not fit that description...

And just run sttandard aweeper EVs for Entei. Maybe give it a little more bulk if you wish, but along those lines.

Like 240spd/ 200atk/ 60hp?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3k (Post 3138028)
Okay, here are the consequences of what happens if you use Dragonite as a lead

"Hey Dragonite! I'm Heracross!
*Stone Edge*"

"DRAGONITE MAH BOIII! IT'S YA PAL SALAMENCE!
*Draco Meteor*"

Lol

"Dragonite. I'm Sub-Zero Weavile. We shall combat!
*Ice Punch*"

"Hi Draggy! My name's Medicham! Let's Dance!
*Ice Punch*"

I can think of around 7 more reasons why Dragonite (a clean-up sweeper) DOESN'T make a useful lead.
Also, use Snorlax for a lead and and a Ghost type to back him up.

So what if I add in Dusknoir what should I take out?

Iceman3k December 2nd, 2007 11:43 AM

Add Dusknoir, remove either Entei or Poliwrath, as they both don't produce positive impact on your team.

ultranerd57 December 2nd, 2007 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3k (Post 3138059)
Add Dusknoir, remove either Entei or Poliwrath, as they both don't produce positive impact on your team.

I'll ditch Wrath.

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-Pain spilt
-Fire Punch
-Shadow Sneak
-WoW

I don't know EVs or nature but I've got the moveset down. =p

luke December 2nd, 2007 11:50 AM

Yanmega with Hidden Power [Ice] is another common lead. I've never seen Dragon/Flying Pokemon as good leads.

Careful - 252 HP / 76 DEF / 180 SPDEF

Anti December 2nd, 2007 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3138076)
Yanmega with Hidden Power [Ice] is another common lead. I've never seen Dragon/Flying Pokemon as good leads.

Careful - 252 HP / 76 DEF / 180 SPDEF

CBmence was the best lead in ADV...it can still work.

Extric December 2nd, 2007 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3138048)
Like 240spd/ 200atk/ 60hp?

Sweeping Entei has 252 ATK / 252 SPD / 6 HP. If you want Bulk I would run something like 252 SPD / 132 HP / 126 Sp. ATK.

ultranerd57 December 2nd, 2007 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex Rextron (Post 3138140)
Sweeping Entei has 252 ATK / 252 SPD / 6 HP. If you want Bulk I would run something like 252 SPD / 132 HP / 126 Sp. ATK.

Don't you mean atk not sp atk =0

Extric December 2nd, 2007 12:08 PM

Oh yeah, my bad. I was thinking of his CM set, which is the only set that I could think of that gave him bulk.

ultranerd57 December 2nd, 2007 12:14 PM

Ok so what's Dusknoir nature and EV spread?

Anti December 2nd, 2007 12:15 PM

Loquacity post it above :/ and if doesn't need much Def because WoW = epic win.

ultranerd57 December 2nd, 2007 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3138186)
Loquacity post it above :/ and if doesn't need much Def because WoW = epic win.

Oh sorry I saw Yanmega and forgot about Dusknoir for a minute ok so is there anything else that needs fixing or am I done?

Anti December 2nd, 2007 12:20 PM

Snorlax needs AT LEAST 160 HP EVs. You don't need that much SDef at all.

ultranerd57 December 2nd, 2007 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3138207)
Snorlax needs AT LEAST 160 HP EVs. You don't need that much SDef at all.

Ok changed is it manageble now?

Dark Azelf December 2nd, 2007 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3138207)
Snorlax needs AT LEAST 160 HP EVs. You don't need that much SDef at all.

Unfortunately it does need that much Sp.Def if it wishes to survive attacks from nasty Plotters, Aura Sphere and Focus Blast.

Anti December 2nd, 2007 12:35 PM

My my, things have changed so much :0 It still needs HP, you'll have to sacrifice Atk or Def EVs to add HP to it.

Samson December 2nd, 2007 1:05 PM

well first, i'd give entei sub over roar. there's no point in giving it roar if it can't take hits.

secondly, it does need HP evs. if you want it to contend with blissey and faster switch-ins, then you definitely want enough to hit the 404 mark. it is also very reliable at taking certain hits. 100 base SPD isn't as much as a prize as it was last gen.

finally, give it wide lens too boost accuracy for all of his moves. here's what i suggest:

Entei @ Wide Lens
Adamant Nature
252 ATK/132 HP/124 SPD
-Fire Fang
-Stone Edge
-Will-o-Wisp
-Substitute

i personally prefer a +Sp Atk nature with Fire Blast to hit bulky grounds harder, but WoW takes care of them fairly well.

Anti December 2nd, 2007 1:38 PM

I don't really see the point of pumpimp HP into it to beat bliss if it can't attack it hard enough to really beat the puffball. shame HP is special now :(

ultranerd57 December 2nd, 2007 2:39 PM

Ok Snorlax got hp from Def and Entei changed too.

Sora_8920 December 2nd, 2007 5:03 PM

Curselax's EV's looks like this, ultranerd: 76 HP / 44 Atk / 136 Def / 252 SpD

ultranerd57 December 4th, 2007 1:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3139164)
Curselax's EV's looks like this, ultranerd: 76 HP / 44 Atk / 136 Def / 252 SpD

Sorry I haven't been here in a while cause my computer broke but now I'm back.

I origionally had this Itachi but APCW13 told me to change it.

Anti December 4th, 2007 1:05 PM

Yeah, because Snorlax likes its HP EVs. Even if they ARE standard, I don't like them. Curse covers attack well enough, put some of those (and a few Def) EVs into HP for more survivability.

ultranerd57 December 4th, 2007 1:17 PM

So is there anything else on my team that needs fixing anything at all?

Dark Azelf December 4th, 2007 1:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3143358)
So is there anything else on my team that needs fixing anything at all?

Quote:

204hp/ 170spdef/ 136def
Good luck surviving Aura Spheres from Choice Specs Lucario and Focus Blast's from Specs Gengar and Alakazam with that few sp.def ev investments. Also Specs Mencs, Nasty Plot Azelf and porygon -Z will lol at you otherwise.

The spread is 76 HP / 44 ATT / 252 SP.DEF / 138 DEF. do. now lol

350 special defense is needed for Snorlax to take one the high-powered special threats of DP;, a Choice Specs Salamence Draco Meteor does about 55%; a Nasty Plot Porygon-Z Tri Attack with Adaptibility could still do 73% with this spread (76 HP / 44 ATT / 252 SP.DEF / 138 DEF). See if you run any less its bad news for lax. Basically it needs max sp.def. This is standard D/P Curselax. By standard D/P I mean Things have changed so much this gen that snorlax no longer a psuedo invincible wall after a few curses. 76 Hp evs is enough which gives it 480 Hp. You have Curse to buff up your def so it cancels out the need to invest Hp evs for that purpose. Max sp.def also cancels that need out. I have experience with using this ev spread and i can tell you it works fine.

Anti December 4th, 2007 5:57 PM

I'd give it 40 more HP EVs. I might be stuck in another gen, but I've used anorlax long enough in D/P top tell you that it needs at least 480 HP, though IMO it needs more.


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