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gleepdiddly December 2nd, 2007 1:20 PM

Please rate my new draft for a team(sorry, the other topic was in the wrong forum)
 
Hi guys, this is my first post and it is about a new team I made a rough draft of. Please make sure this team is okay before I go through extreme pain to make it. Without further ado...

[email protected]???
Naive nature
252 Spd., 128 Atk., and 128 SP. Atk. EVs
Nasty Plot
Grass Knot
Close Combat
Flare Blitz
-Blaze

[email protected] Lens
Modest nature
252 Sp. Atk., 252 Spd., 6 HP EVs
Thunderbolt
U-Turn
Roost
Substitute
-Pressure

[email protected]
Bold nature
252 Def., 252 Sp. Def, and 6 HP EVs
Aromatherapy
Seismic Toss
Softboiled
Thunder Wave
-Natural Cure

[email protected] Orb
Adamant nature
252 Atk., 252 Def., 6 HP EVs
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Megahorn
Stone Edge
-Solid Rock

[email protected] Specs
Modest nature
252 Sp. Atk., 252 Spd., 6 Sp. Def. EVs
Heat Wave
Earth Power
Dragon Pulse
Dark Pulse
-Flash Fire

[email protected] Brightpowder
Jolly nature
252 Atk., 252 Spd., 6 Def. EVs
Swords Dance
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Fire Fang
-Sand Veil

Thanks!!!!!

Anti December 2nd, 2007 1:35 PM

Scope lens and brightpowder are hax items and are banned, so yeah.

Besides blissey, you have no walls :/ and BTW, put HP EVs into bliss rather than SDef, it needs HP whereas it doesn't need SDef EVs unless you're playing in the uber tier.

gleepdiddly December 2nd, 2007 1:40 PM

isn't Rhyperior a wall? If he isn't, could you make a wall for my team?

Anti December 2nd, 2007 1:41 PM

Rhyperior isn't a wall when you give it a life orb :0 If you want it to wall, run a lot of Def and max HP on it.

gleepdiddly December 2nd, 2007 1:44 PM

Could I do this?:
[email protected]
Adamant nature
252 HP., 252 Sp. Def., 6 Atk EVs
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Megahorn
Stone Edge
-Solid Rock

Anti December 2nd, 2007 1:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gleepdiddly (Post 3138643)
Could I do this?:
[email protected]
Adamant nature
252 Def., 252 Sp. Def., 6 HP EVs
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Megahorn
Stone Edge
-Solid Rock

...as I mentioned earlier, you have to run lots of HP EVs on your walls.

evilcheese December 2nd, 2007 1:47 PM

you could abuse rhyperior with swords dance so that way you can put evs in def and hp. and impish nature you want it to survive EQ

Anti December 2nd, 2007 1:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilcheese (Post 3138667)
you could abuse rhyperior with swords dance so that way you can put evs in def and hp. and impish nature you want it to survive EQ

Rhyinferior is more than capable of surviving EQ, solid rock FTW. and on a walling set, I don't think SD would be very smart...

gleepdiddly December 2nd, 2007 1:49 PM

Oh, I messed that up and edited the post.

Anti December 2nd, 2007 1:51 PM

what special attacks is it going to be stopping? Move many of those EVs to Def. you should be building on strong points, not weaknesses ;)

evilcheese December 2nd, 2007 1:52 PM

standard bliss:

Blissey @leftovers
bold
natural cure
EV's: 252 def / 252 hp / 6 SPdef or SPatk
-aramatheropy
-ice beam /seismectoss
-softboiled
-stealth rock

scarf on heatran

give zapados bulk and leftovers

Anti December 2nd, 2007 1:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilcheese (Post 3138700)
standard bliss:

Blissey @leftovers
bold
natural cure
EV's: 252 def / 252 hp / 6 SPdef or SPatk
-aramatheropy
-ice beam /seismectoss
-softboiled
-stealth rock

Um, that IS NOT standard :/ Since when is SR on standard blissey? And his set, minus the EVs, is fine.

The EVs should be 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef

Dark Azelf December 2nd, 2007 1:54 PM

Mix ape is meant for special sweeping, Close Combats only purpose it for special walls such as Blissey. So it makes flare blitz redundant as you have flamethrower.


[email protected] Sash / Life Orb
Naive nature
24 ATT / 232 SPEED /252 SP.ATT
- Flamethrower
- Grass Knot
- Nasty Plot /Hidden Power Electric / Hidden power Ice
- Close Combat

Also Rhyperior is not a wall, its a tank.....

Anti December 2nd, 2007 1:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3138713)
Mix ape is meant for special sweeping, Close Combats only purpose it for special walls such as Blissey. So it makes flare blitz redundant as you have flamethrower.


[email protected] Sash / Life Orb
Naive nature
24 ATT / 232 SPEED /252 SP.ATT
- Flamethrower
- Grass Knot
- Nasty Plot /Hidden Power Electric / Hidden power Ice
- Close Combat

Also Rhyperior is not a wall, its a tank.....

Rhyperior can wall things, depends on your definition of tank.

gleepdiddly December 2nd, 2007 1:56 PM

Ok, so I switch to Blissey when I see a special attack? After making Rhyperior a wall, do I have any more problems?

Anti December 2nd, 2007 1:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gleepdiddly (Post 3138719)
Ok, so I switch to Blissey when I see a special attack? After making Rhyperior a wall, do I have any more problems?

That would be the idea...

And no, you still have lots of problems. Heracross makes you BLEED...CBcross at least ;) Also lacks a spinner and PHazer.

evilcheese December 2nd, 2007 2:00 PM

spinners: starmie, fortress, donphan,

i forgot

there is a big selection of phazers. donphan can do both

gleepdiddly December 2nd, 2007 2:02 PM

Should I put Starmie on my team? If so, over which pokemon? And I will put drill peck over substitute on Zapdos, who will kill hera and strategically see endures.

Anti December 2nd, 2007 2:03 PM

Nobody uses endureversal heracross. Or they shouldn't.

And no, Zappy gets desroyed by stone edge. Drill peck can work on it, but it can't really counter heracross ;/

Sora_8920 December 2nd, 2007 2:04 PM

I see a major Starmie weak, so no. And you do know Mod's will move it to the right section, right?

Anti December 2nd, 2007 2:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3138766)
I see a major Starmie weak, so no. And you do know Mod's will move it to the right section, right?

Starmie <<<<<<<< Blissey ;) He has a counter, he's fine. though yeah, it is pretty...gaping.

flamehaze94 December 2nd, 2007 2:07 PM

Infernape wants Flamethrower>Flare Blitz to abuse Nasty Plot, and hit Skarmory and Tangrowth harder. 24Atk / 232Spd / 252SpAtk is the better EV spread. Give it Life Orb.

Scope Lens really is useless. Give Zapdos Leftovers instead. Sub certainly helps, but it's not needed. Try to squeeze Metal Sound in there. Nearly all the teams I see are MS Zapdos weak. HP [Grass] would help more than U-Turn in this case.

No, max SpDef is rebundant, only useful in the Uber teir. The best spread for Blissey is 204HP / 252Def / 52SpDef. You will need another attack if you don't want to be cornered by ghosts.

Rhyperior really needs those HP EVs. :/

40Atk / 252SpAtk / 216Spd is much more effective than the spread you're using right now. Overheat or Fire Blast>>>Heat Wave. Get rid of Dark Pulse, as a super effective one does less than a neutral Fire Blast. Put in Explosion on predicted Blissey switch ins and kill it.

Bright Powder is a hax idem :/. Give it Leftovers instead.



You have a Swampert weakness unless you put HP [Grass] on Zapdos as I mentioned.

gleepdiddly December 2nd, 2007 2:08 PM

Do Heras have something to stop Gar's fire fang from killing it?

Sora_8920 December 2nd, 2007 2:09 PM

Contributing to the Thread, is Zapdos supposed to be a Mixed Sweeper or something? Agilidos. Lol. That'd be nice. I'd put Agility over Substitute/Roost if you're going to make it a mixed Sweeper.

Anti December 2nd, 2007 2:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gleepdiddly (Post 3138781)
Do Heras have something to stop Gar's fire fang from killing it?

No...but why do you care? Garchomp can't counter heracross because close combat says hi

EDIT: Itachi, since when does Zappy need speed from agility?

Sora_8920 December 2nd, 2007 2:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3138787)
No...but why do you care? Garchomp can't counter heracross because close combat says hi

EDIT: Itachi, since when does Zappy need speed from agility?

I don't know. Just something creative I came up with. I have to much free time, I guess.


gleepdiddly December 2nd, 2007 2:11 PM

My only zapdos has a bad hidden power and I don't have pokemon XD. Also, i'd think grass knot of infernape could destroy swampert.

Anti December 2nd, 2007 2:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gleepdiddly (Post 3138802)
My only zapdos has a bad hidden power and I don't have pokemon XD. Also, i'd think grass knot of infernape could destroy swampert.

Infernape can't switch into swampert though, so it can't counter it.

EDIT: Well, agility is kind of lol on Zappy unless you're BPing it :/

flamehaze94 December 2nd, 2007 2:13 PM

Infernape can't "counter" Swampert, it can't switch in to save its life. Though, if you can get it in while it's setting rocks then it'll work out fine.

gleepdiddly December 2nd, 2007 2:18 PM

I think to counter Hera, I need a different pokemon In my team, but what?

Sora_8920 December 2nd, 2007 2:42 PM

I would really read Counter Guides. A counter, is some pokemon who can switch into another poke safely and proceed to counter it, as in KO it. But to answer your question, Gliscor (The best because of high Defenses, resistant to both STab moves, nuetral to Rock and Dark, and he has higher base speed, so he use Roost, and AA has no problem bringing Heracross down)/Weezing/Dusknoir/ Salamence and Gyarados because of Intimidate help them switch in/Jirachi/Dugtrio gets a mention because of Arena Trap and Aerial Ace.

gleepdiddly December 2nd, 2007 2:52 PM

Could you work it from here?

[email protected]
bold Nature
252 Def., 252 HP, 6 Sp.Def.
Aromatherapy
Seismic Toss
Softboiled
Thunder Wave
-Natural Cure

[email protected] Orb
Modest Nature
252 Sp. Atk., 252 Spd., 6 HP
Thunderbolt
U-Turn
Roost
Drill Peck
-Pressure
(Don't have pokemon XD and my only zappy has a bad hidden power)

[email protected]
Adamant nature
252 Def., 252 HP, 6 Atk.
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Megahorn
Stone Edge
-Solid Rock

[email protected] Orb
Modest
252 Sp. Atk., 252 Spd., 6 Sp. Def.
Flamethrower
Earth Power
Dragon Pulse
Explosion
-Flash Fire

[email protected]???
Jolly Nature
252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 Def.
Swords
Dance
Earthquake
Drasgon Claw
Fire Fang
-Sand veil

[email protected] orb
Naive Nature
252 Spd, 24 Atk., 232 Sp. Atk
Nasty Plot
Grass Knot
Close Combat
Flare Blitz
-Blaze

Sora_8920 December 2nd, 2007 2:58 PM

I've got nothing to say. It's perfect. Just that if you prefer more power, Fire Blast on Heatran can work.

gleepdiddly December 2nd, 2007 3:15 PM

Could I use this gliscor in place of zapdos?

[email protected]
Impish nature
252 ATK, 252 Spd., 6 HP
Roost
Aerial Ace
Ice Fang
Earthquake
-Hyper Cutter

Sora_8920 December 2nd, 2007 3:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gleepdiddly (Post 3138918)
Could I use this gliscor in place of zapdos?

[email protected]
Impish nature
252 ATK, 252 Spd., 6 HP
Roost
Aerial Ace
Ice Fang
Earthquake
-Hyper Cutter

Aerial Ace and Ice fang is well...

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Veil
EV's: 252 HP / 6 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Aerial Ace / Stone Edge / Ice Fang
- Knock Off / Stealth Rock
- Roost. Edit: Comments:

Quote:

One of the best Heracross counters in the game. The best it can muster, Stone Edge, does 37% max (barring a critical hit). Knock Off and Stealth Rock are both useful support options. The extra attack move gives you different coverage—Aerial Ace is STABed, but Stone Edge takes on more prominent threats like Gyarados. Ice Fang 2HKOs Garchomp and Salamence, although you can only take on the latter if it is only sporting physical attacks.

You can drop your secondary attack and use both support options, which makes you easier to wall but at least Flying types will be getting worn down by Stealth Rock, or losing their item.

Anti December 2nd, 2007 4:04 PM

Okay, the copying from Smogon is getting really annoying. If you're as good as you say you are, you can explain how the sets work :/ And loling at the "perfect" statement. Way to mislead people. Let's try agin, shall we?

First off, if you use gliscor, you should probably make Rhinferior much more attack-oriented, perhaps a choice band set.

But really, you can't PHaze DDers and other stat-up pokemon. You've made ninjask a lot better than it shoudl be ;) Um, no rapid spin support either means that SR and especially spikes are going to chip away at you and you can't really do anything about it.

also, infernape and Heatran are both owned by earthqauke, and Rhyinferior and garchomp are hurt quite a bit by stronger attackers using it as well. so really, nothing you have can seitch into EQ, except for poor gliscor, who will then see starmie in its face. Really, besides your walls, all of your team members are destroyed by the same pokemon.

This means that is gliscor or blissey dies, you've pretty much lost. If dugtrio comes and kills blissey, Starmie can sweep you without an afterthought, and if gliscor goes down...my my, EQ abusers like Cbmence are going to brutally destroy your entire team.

Really, I'd take out heatran and rhyperior and throw in a few replacements, some that can stop the bleeding of all these weaks you have. Something like claydol might be of benefit, as it can spin and block many attacks.

But you get the idea by now.

Sora_8920 December 2nd, 2007 4:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3139021)
Okay, the copying from Smogon is getting really annoying. If you're as good as you say you are, you can explain how the sets work :/ And loling at the "perfect" statement. Way to mislead people. Let's try agin, shall we?

First off, if you use gliscor, you should probably make Rhinferior much more attack-oriented, perhaps a choice band set.

But really, you can't PHaze DDers and other stat-up pokemon. You've made ninjask a lot better than it shoudl be ;) Um, no rapid spin support either means that SR and especially spikes are going to chip away at you and you can't really do anything about it.

also, infernape and Heatran are both owned by earthqauke, and Rhyinferior and garchomp are hurt quite a bit by stronger attackers using it as well. so really, nothing you have can seitch into EQ, except for poor gliscor, who will then see starmie in its face. Really, besides your walls, all of your team members are destroyed by the same pokemon.

This means that is gliscor or blissey dies, you've pretty much lost. If dugtrio comes and kills blissey, Starmie can sweep you without an afterthought, and if gliscor goes down...my my, EQ abusers like Cbmence are going to brutally destroy your entire team.

Really, I'd take out heatran and rhyperior and throw in a few replacements, some that can stop the bleeding of all these weaks you have. Something like claydol might be of benefit, as it can spin and block many attacks.

But you get the idea by now.

Actually, I did, I quoted them, if you looked.

Anti December 2nd, 2007 4:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3139033)
Actually, I did, I quoted them, if you looked.

Notice they're both copied from Smogon :/

EDIT: http://www.smogon.com:81/dp/pokemon/gliscor

Yeah, notice the comments on the first set.


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