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GalladeIceMan December 7th, 2007 6:37 PM

Best Battle-Ready Pokemon?
 
im not trying to sound like a teacher, but if you want to prove that there's a best pokemon, write a paragraph (at least four sentences) to back up your opinion.

Your Brief Constructed Response should include:

An opinion
2 sentences to back up your opinion
Closing Sentence

I will grade these by a percentage and letter grade. Each part is worth 4 points. Happy writing!

Umanouski December 7th, 2007 6:39 PM

Salamence. Not only does it look, feel and have a great moveset, but its just damn cool. I mean c'mon, its the classic European dragon, what can be more intimidating than that? No matter how good or experianced a battler you are, you always break a sweat when you fight a Salamence.

GalladeIceMan December 7th, 2007 6:43 PM

A perfect 100% Your score is a total of 16 out of 16. Nice details, it could be better if you explained it a little more, but its still a 100%.

Shiny Umbreon December 7th, 2007 6:54 PM

Something that should go in Strategies & Movesets.

-MOVED-

Anti December 7th, 2007 7:01 PM

O_O Quite a weird thread, but I think there is a clear winner here, though it is a really unfair question. I'll start with the best physical wall...no, best OVERALL wall.

Skarmory.

Skarmory has an astounding 140 base Defense, so obviously it can take most any physical attack. But one of its greatest assets is the ability to set up spikes and the roar at the opponenet to annoy them immensely. And the cool part is that since it fears madneton/magnezone, there are ways in each gen to destroy it. In both 3rd and 4th gen, you can set up a sub and roar it away while it breaks your sub. In strictly 3rd gen, I found it fun to run a Choice set with HP Ground to OHKO the little magnet. And 4th gen, shed shell allows you to escape :0

As for its walling capabilities, it can wall about any physical attack. You might think that its base Def helps so much, but that isn't the key. Think about it like this...skarmory has a trcukload of resistances. It freely switches into earthquake and other commion physical attacks. Resists normal types as well. The only annoying physical attacks that could inflict harm were choice banded focus punches and rock slides from the likes of CBtar.

Now, you may mention blissey, but skarm is so much cooler ;) I mean, whio likes blissey? (No offense to those who do BTW.) Also, Skarmbliss killers often focus a lot more on destroying the puffball. With a few adjustments, you can use this to your advantage and show the power of skarmory.

So there you have it, Skarmory, the kewlest and strongest wall eva! lol

GalladeIceMan December 7th, 2007 7:05 PM

Great! A perfect 100% 16 out of 16! A couple ways to get i better though. Great back up!

Azonic December 7th, 2007 7:13 PM

There is no 'best' or 'worst' pokemon. Every Pokemon has their own specialties, their own strengths and weaknesses. It all falls down to what role a Pokemon should play. And even the 'best' pokemon put together does not make the best team. Each team, like every individual Pokemon, has their own weaknesses.

For a Physical Sweeper, I would think that Heracross or Weavile are the best due to their high attack stat and their massive coverage. Heracross can be a real beast if it strikes first with a Choice Scarf while Weavile can have a field day with dragon types. I would say those two some of the strongest. But trust me there are many more.

A Special Sweeper would be PorygonZ with a Choice Scarf. In my past experience, I've had many troublesome encounters with Scarfed PorygonZ. Its diverse when it uses Bolt-Beam and has a great Special Attack stat. When it strikes first, most pokemon tremble in its presence.

A Physical Wall will have to be Skarmory, hands down. Its skyrocketing Defense stat along with its numerous and countless resistances can make it a beast. Not to mention it has access to Spikes and Whirlwind and Roost. It can be a troublesome combination of attacks.

Special Wall will have to be Milotic or Regice. Milotic is pretty easy to figure out as it absorbs status conditions very well while still being able to inflict some decent damage. Regice on the other hand has a skyrocketing 200 Base Special Defense - with a Special Attack stat that can leave a large dent in most pokemon.

Edit: Anti... you and your Blisseyness. too bad me and Blissey were married. =x i just don't like that big ;pink whore

Anti December 7th, 2007 7:15 PM

I wouldn't say milo since my specsa Pory Z 2HKOs it :0 lol

But your first paragraph really is true. And I can't believe you didn't say Blissey. CBed of course ;)

EDIT: But seriously, Blissey is the king queen of special walls...most OU pokemon ever you know :0

ShadowAzelf December 7th, 2007 7:25 PM

Best Physical Wall- Skarmory;First off, it has a type combo of Steel/Flying, allowing only two weaknesses to get through. Secondly, it has a massive defense and hp, making it a good Physical sweeper counter, I've seen one take a Waterfall from a 4 DD Dos before =_=... Finally, it can work good setting up Spikes and SR, combined with its massive defenses, Skarm can be the ultimate physical wall.

Best Dual Tank- Cress; Hands down, Cress rules as a SPWall. There's the max 444hp and her massive defense and spdefense which allow her to take a CB Hera's Megahorn and survive. Next... MOONLIGHT! Moonlight is Cress's healing move which makes her a pain to kill. Next, we get onto her attacking pool, Cress gets a BoltBeam combo with Charge Beam and Ice Beam, plus, Shadow Ball and Hidden Power are in her movepool for good usage. Cress is in my opinion, the BEST, OU Dual Tank out there.

Anti December 7th, 2007 7:26 PM

For the record, Skarm does not have good HP at all :0

EDIT: I think the base is around 65 or something :0

flamehaze94 December 7th, 2007 7:27 PM

Gengar. Astounding 110 speed and massive 130 special attack back up this claim. Not to mention its diverse and unique movepool, so much that you can't grasp the full potential of all of its moves unless you sacrifice something for its place. There is no real "counter" to Gengar unless you know beforehand, and by then, it's already too late. The Specs set is expecially scary, with only Blissey (2HKOed by FB, but 70% acc. is....) and special based Spiritomb (2HKOed by Shadow Ball if the damage generater hits the max.). It can pull of an old Adv. SubPunch set, or McIceGar to beat Blissey and Tyranitar 100% of the time. It also has the asset of using Counter, Explosion, and Destiny Bond effectively. It pulls off the fastest PerishTrap in the game. It can double-status with Will-O-Wisp and Toxic. It's one of the fastest Hypnotizers in the game too. It can completely run over its "supposed" counters with ease if used in the correct hands.


There you have it, folks, the best sweeper.

Anti December 7th, 2007 7:29 PM

Hypno can counter gengar if you make is specifically to counter it-insomnia FTW! But yeah, you're right. Though it has 110 base speed, not 115. Sad though :(

And I'd agree, Gengar is D/P's most powerful sweeper. Though if TTar is running a sweeping set I'd say it nudges it simply because it can also take any hit except fighting attacks :(

Shiraishi December 7th, 2007 7:37 PM

Aw man, someone did Cresselia..I find it to be superior to Bliss because I can't use Skarm against TauntriDos X_x

Spiritomb-One of the best tanks ever.
It has no weaknesses. AT ALL. It rapes pretty much those evil sp attacks who can actually damage Blissey.(Azelf goes boom,Zam can FB on the switch..)Spiritomb can also stop almost all physical attacks by WoWing them. The ability to survive SpecsMence is great as well.

Anti December 7th, 2007 7:38 PM

The big downside to spiritomb is the lack of resistances. Though if you can survive specsmence, you are awesome. End. ;)

Shiraishi December 7th, 2007 7:43 PM

Lack of resistances? He can't be effect at all by normal, psychic and fighting..3 immunities crazy enough :D

Umanouski December 7th, 2007 7:45 PM

I think he means "not very effective" thats a resistance. What your talking about is an immunity. Is spiritomb technically a legionary? Or along the lines of Snorlax in Red/Blue/Yellow and Sudowoodo in G/S/C? Oops, ADD moment

Anti December 7th, 2007 7:46 PM

I said resistancves, not immunities ;) though you could catagorize them the same way I guess. But it hurts its walling ability a bit IMO. Just the overall fact that all attacks hit it for normal damage except those already mentioned. So yeah.

GalladeIceMan December 8th, 2007 5:16 AM

Azonic 81% Not a concluding sentence
ShadowAzelf 100% Nice You could do better, but everything could be better-Great support
flamehaze94 100% Great backing up your detail
Shiraishi 81% You didn't have a concluding sentence

MegaMushroom07 December 8th, 2007 5:42 AM

Wobbuffet-

The cheapest Pokemon of all time. It will Counter or Mirror coat you, Encore your moves, and Bond you to it's doom. It's mass HP means it can 1 hit KO you with Counter or Mirror Coat.

Closing Comments:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB

GalladeIceMan December 8th, 2007 6:00 AM

An 81% Mega Mushroom. You didn't have a good closing sentence. noob isn't a closing sentence.

MegaMushroom07 December 8th, 2007 6:02 AM

Wow, you should be an examiner for A-Level students.

Sora_8920 December 8th, 2007 6:06 AM

I'll just list something random - UU's.

UU's seem to be forgetten. They are taken to be less stronger then OU's. However, with the right use and play of them, they can be a devastating force to the OU Metagame.

One great UU Pokemon is Vileplume, the best UU Cleric. Maybe could be a decent Pokemon to get away from the Pink fat blob/whore - Blissey.

Closing Comments:

UU Pokemon are great to use, and can be a plausible option if you don't feel like using Common Pokes. I myself made a UU Team, (in this Forum as well, please Rate if you can) and feel It's pretty good.

GalladeIceMan December 8th, 2007 6:10 AM

Uh...50%, probably the worst thus far :(

MegaMushroom07 December 8th, 2007 6:15 AM

What is wrong with that? And who are you the rate when you are yet to write a review yourself?

Sora_8920 December 8th, 2007 6:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MegaMushroom07 (Post 3152066)
What is wrong with that? And who are you the rate when you are yet to write a review yourself?

Yep. Thanks for that, Mushroom. So yeah, GalladeIceMan, you're being a bit unfair. If the Rep system was up, I'd take some pints away from you.

MegaMushroom07 December 8th, 2007 6:20 AM

IceMan's review:

Pikachu is my best friend; He always wins and is clearly the best Pokemon. Thundershock FTW!

_____________________________
Closing comments - PikaaaaaCHUUUUUUU!

Sora_8920 December 8th, 2007 6:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MegaMushroom07 (Post 3152076)
IceMan's review:

Pikachu is my best friend; He always wins and is clearly the best Pokemon. Thundershock FTW!

_____________________________
Closing comments - PikaaaaaCHUUUUUUU!

Cheers, Mushroom. XD. That's why they call him 00berchu!

Closing Comments: Three cheers for Pikachu! Go Pikachu, go Pikachu, go Pikachu!! XD.

MegaMushroom07 December 8th, 2007 6:24 AM

"Why, I'm wearing the costume right now!"

Sora_8920 December 8th, 2007 6:34 AM

The President's Review on Pikachu:

"00berchu may be overated but he's damn cool."

Closing Comments: "Pikachu, use Thunder!!" *DP Music Starts* XD.

MegaMushroom07 December 8th, 2007 6:44 AM

"Pikachu is the best Pokemon to hold Focus Sash"

XD

Glisctillery December 8th, 2007 7:06 AM

i present to you gliscor!

my favorite pokemon, who is also one of the greatest physical walls is only weak to ice beam, meaning a skarmory/blissey counter like infernape won't have a choice but to use flamethrower. since gliscor survives the attack, it crushes infernape with an earthquake which is "stabbed" by the way. quite surprisingly, it can also survive an ice punch from an electivire and pull in an earthquake to faint the common sweeper. it also has fighting resistance and it takes neutral damage from rock the most commonly used combination of physical sweepers. one of the only difference from skarmory is that gliscor does not have all those resistances skarmory has with it's sub-steel typing. gliscor also has a 95 base speed, pretty fast for a wall and it is able to outrun porygon-z without a choice scarf. it also has a self-recovery move, roost which ables it to take lesser damage from ice attacks. also a very good 95 base attack, with 75 base hp (same as skarmorys), and the awesome 125 defense, its a good thing to combine with your blissey as blissey is weak to fighting moves

thats my review on gliscor, i even used to use gligar back then!

Anti December 8th, 2007 7:25 AM

For the record, you don't really need a concluding sentence. What makes wobbufet so cheap isn't all of its moves, but the fact that shadow tag makes it so you cannot escape.

And I'd actually agree with the grade Itachi was given. He mentioned one example, and it wasn't a very good one :/ Really, there was Nothing GOOD to support that conclusion at all.

Of course, he is correct, but the lac of any backup makes it very meh. For example, Hypno is a beast in OUs since some people don't know its standard movesets and all that. It can stall effectively, provide wish suppport, and wall nasty special attacks. and pinsir can be quite the beast in OUs in the right hands.

But yeah, before you're so quick as to get mad at his grade, realise he was right...

GalladeIceMan December 8th, 2007 7:32 AM

nice 100%. Keep up the good work.

Anti December 8th, 2007 7:32 AM

Erm, I was only adding onto Itachi's ;)

ChrisG14 December 8th, 2007 8:59 AM

Hey, I'll give it a shot.

Ursaring: The Bear Pokemon

Coming from Jellystone Park, Ursaring is definitaly smarter than the average bear. With a meaty 130 Base Attack and good movepool, he can rape a team pretty easily. In the 3rd Gen, he was ok, but really too slow to sweep a team without BP support. But now those days are over in 4th Gen with Quick Feet. Give him max speed EVs and IVs, Toxic or Flame Orb, he rips teams to shreads with a nice Earthquake, Shadow Claw, Return/Facade, and Close Combat. Only Bronzong and Skarmory can take those hits like champs, so if you have Emerald and a need to breed, go with Fire Punch over Shadow Claw. Though you can only have Guts with Fire Punch Ursaring, a nice BP from Ninjask can still make it a good sweeper. But once you see Fire Punch or Shadow Claw, you know who can take the big bear out. In conclusion, don't let his Yogi Bear appearance fool you, if you try to set up on an Ursaring, you WILL regret it.

Anti December 8th, 2007 9:11 AM

Keep in mind that giving a quick feet ursurand flame orb would gobble up its attack stat, so only toxic orb would suffice.

Smarties-chan December 8th, 2007 9:35 AM

GalladeIceMan; your review rates are spam; stop writing them. And Itachi and MegaMushroom, stay on topic; I'll be watching this thread closely and just one more off-topic post from either one of you and you'll get a nice little warning.

And because I like the general idea of the topic, I'll make my own review about the deadliest little critter you'll ever encounter in Pokémon: Pachirisu.

You may think Pachirisu is a useless waste of space in your cartridge, but I've used one on Shoddy and it's quite fun to play with. Pachirisu's stats are bad even on UU standards apart from its schmexy base 95 Speed and 90 Special Defense. Pachirisu's movepool also isn't great, it has a couple of support moves, but its offensive options are terrible. So what makes this Pokémon that shines with its mediocrity so awesome? Two words: Super Fang, one the most broken moves in the game, combined with its good base Speed make it a force to be reckoned with. On its own, Pachirisu is pathetic, but it's a great team player capable of bringing down the opponent's HP to quick KO range. Switch in Pachirisu on something that will either want to switch out from it or will try using a status move on you, Sub up and start spamming Super Fang. Thunder Wave can be used to cripple sweepers on the switch or when Pachirisu is doomed regardless of what you do and Thunderbolt should deal enough damage to keep Skarmory and Gyarados away.

The great thing with Pachirisu is that its 90 base Special Defense actually allows it to withstand some weaker special hits making it possible to cripple your opponent's special sweepers and allowing Pachirisu to actually switch in to some offensive moves. Pachirisu is awesome in the way that few people know what it's capable of doing and thus, take it lightly, giving it time to set up a Sub and start pwning.

Pachirisu might not be the best choice (especially if you play OU), but it can give you a good laugh when you take out an Earthquakeless Forretress or a Togekiss without Aura Spehere with it not to mention it gives great parasupport and works well with fast sweepers as it can bring down its opponent's health to 50%, making even powerful walls vulnerable to sweeping. Pachirisu isn't for players with bad predicting skills, but if you're good at predicting your opponent's moves, Pachirisu will fail to disappoint you. If for nothing else, use it for the LOL-factor.

Sora_8920 December 8th, 2007 9:39 AM

I'll try it again, but not Spammy:

UU's - UU's: They are.. Unique... To say the least. They are sometimes overshadowed by omnipresent Pokemon such as this: Flygon. The main OU Pokemon that does It's job better, is Garchomp. Despite this, it should not discourage you from using Flygon. Unlike Garchomp, it has Roost, a very valuable recovry move, and a suitable one. Another UU, moving on, is http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/thumb/9/9b/ArtManmoo.png/140px-ArtManmoo.png Hi! My name is Mamoswine! Today, I will present to you how I kick Heracross's ass:

Opponent switched in Heracross! Heracross: Heh.
Mamoswine used Peck/Ice shard. Swine': Bye bye!
Heracross: NOOOOOOO! *OHKo'd, if not, KO'd*

MegaMushroom07 December 8th, 2007 9:40 AM

You want 'Lol' factor?

Take a Baton Pass Curse Umbreon and get Cursing. Pass to an agility & BP Poke, then do the same.

BP to Focus Sash Magikarp, and PWN!!!

flamehaze94 December 8th, 2007 9:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3152629)
I'll try it again, but not Spammy:

UU's - UU's: They are.. Unique... To say the least. They are sometimes overshadowed by omnipresent Pokemon such as this: Flygon. The main OU Pokemon that does It's job better, is Garchomp. Despite this, it should not discourage you from using Flygon. Unlike Garchomp, it has Roost, a very valuable recovry move, and a suitable one. Another UU, moving on, is http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/thumb/9/9b/ArtManmoo.png/140px-ArtManmoo.png Hi! My name is Mamoswine! Today, I will present to you how I kick Heracross's ass:

Opponent switched in Heracross! Heracross: Heh.
Mamoswine used Peck/Ice shard. Swine': Bye bye!
Heracross: NOOOOOOO! *OHKo'd, if not, KO'd*

Mamoswine in UU? L-O-L-Z!


It's in OU or at least BL at the least.

It still can't switch into Heracross :/


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