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ShadowAzelf December 7th, 2007 9:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Glisctillery (Post 3151315)
almost all your pokemon lack the same type attack bonus moves, which is usually bad

only go without the bonus moves on emergency

Lemme give the reasons of the lack of STAB moves-

Slowbro- CM + BoltBeam Combo + High HP/Def/Spdef/Spattk = ... guess

Gliscor- Needs to hit steels and Baton Pass.

Mismagius- Shadow Ball FTW?

Hariyama- Payback allows him to hit Dos.

Regigigas- Return + 460 attack =... =_=...

Omastar- Ancientpower is too weak and Surf is walled by Vaporeon.

I guess a bonus move is a second STAB move? That depends on the team, really >.>.

Glisctillery December 7th, 2007 9:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3151353)
Sorry if I'm nitpicking, but just say STAB, the quotation marks hurt my eyes...they just do O_O Yeah, I'm weird ;)

And if I remember correctly, your brother is Nameless? Yeah, well, getting rid of shadow ball in 4th gen is a bad idea, but I recall out battle (3rd gen) when it was my swampert against his gengar. He launched shadow ball which did ntohing and swampert destroyed it with hydro pump. That happened because he didn't know at the time that in ADV shadow ball is physical (which is why nobody used it on Gengar in ADV in the first place). But yeah, that's probably why he got rid of the STAB move ;)

But you're correct, STAB moves are very common to see on pokemon, but they aren't necessary is the point.

he says he keeps it for type coverage, he goes by hidden power ice, thunderbolt, hypnosis, and focus blast

he also carries it with focus sash, giving the ghost an oppurtunity to eliminate pokemon with over 110 base speed like weavile who gets a bad taste of focus blast

and shadow ball is physical in 3rd gen? did gengar have a necessary stab back then?

Anti December 7th, 2007 9:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Glisctillery (Post 3151368)
he says he keeps it for type coverage, he goes by hidden power ice, thunderbolt, hypnosis, and focus blast

Never mind, I was thinking of something else. but that's quite a good example of why you don't need STAB.

he also carries it with focus sash, giving the ghost an oppurtunity to eliminate pokemon with over 110 base speed like weavile who gets a bad taste of focus blast

Sounds fun ;)

and shadow ball is physical in 3rd gen? did gengar have a necessary stab back then?

No, but McGar was more common back then and it was fine without shadow ball, as it had ice punch (which was special, along with fire punch) and a few other nasrty tricks up its sleve.

Yeah...and ShadowAzelf, your team doesn't really need to use STAB, though I WOUKD give a STAB move to hariyama as it will hit harder than you'd think ;)

Glisctillery December 7th, 2007 10:00 PM

oh yeah, i think mcgar was possibly one of those skarmory blissey killers? i really hate that walling combo..

Anti December 7th, 2007 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Glisctillery (Post 3151379)
oh yeah, i think mcgar was possibly one of those skarmory blissey killers? i really hate that walling combo..

Yes, it's what started up ice beam's popularity again on blissey.

But back to the team, this thing still lacks a special wall. Like Samson said, I'd just kind of use Regigigas for that purpose and...well...yeah.

ShadowAzelf December 7th, 2007 10:17 PM

As long as we're back ontopic now <_<...

SpAttackers won't be much of a MAJOR problem seeing as Hariyama can switch in on Ice Beams, T-Bolts and Flamethrowers, Slowbro can be passed a Sub and can CM away. Regigigas can also switch in on the occasional Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse, cripple and run. Plus... I couldn't find a good spWall that didn't lack either HP, a defense rasing move, a healing move or the name Blissey. Plus... I'm not the person who uses walls, I'm more used to tanks seeing as how I can't wait more than 5 minutes for something to happen in a battle.

Anti December 8th, 2007 7:16 AM

Well, you can't hope you outpredict them, or you will suffer when you don't. You might want to find some dead weight on your team and replace for a special wall. I mean, the killer Pory Z, Gengar, and Zam assaults aren't going to be absorbed very well.


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