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ShadowAzelf December 9th, 2007 10:53 AM

I never use THAT many OUs; RMT
 
Azumaril @Leftovers
Careful Nature
EVs:252hp/104spdef/100def/52attk
Huge Power

Ice Punch
Perish Song
Substitute
Brick Break
Instead of CB Azumaril, I'm using Bulky Azumaril. Perish Song is for getting Baton Passers, stat raisers, etc. to switch out.

Hariyama @Leftovers
Adamant Nature
EVs:252hp/252attk/4def
Thick Fat

Subsitute
Bullet Punch
Stone Edge
Focus Punch
My Vile/Vire counter.

Slowbro @Leftovers
Bold Nature
EVs:252def/240hp/16spattk

Ice Beam
Grass Knot
Slack Off
HP Electric [70]
My Dos,Mence,Chomp,Nite, counter.

Leafeon @Yache Berry
Impish Nature
EVs:252attk/120hp/100def/36spd

Swords Dance
Rock Smash
Leaf Blade
Aerial Ace
My physical sweeper.

Claydol @Leftovers
Relaxed Nature
EVs:252hp/144def/100spdef/12spattk

EQ
Psychic
Rapid Spin
Toxic


Articuno @Leftovers
Calm Nature
EVs:252hp/200spdef/16spattk/40def

Reflect/Toxic/Tailwind
Haze
Heal Bell
Ice Beam


Well, there ya go, only 1 OU here... so, just RMT.

El Gofre December 9th, 2007 10:59 AM

Remind me what chople berry does please, otherwise quite a solid team :)

ShadowAzelf December 9th, 2007 11:01 AM

Chople Berry lowers the power of super-effective fighing moves.

Dark Azelf December 9th, 2007 11:22 AM

I dont get how Slowbro is a T-Tar counter, Boah has Dark Pulse and Thunderbolt. DD Tar has Crunch and CB Tar also has Crunch and Pursuit. Grass Knot and Surf are never OHKO's due to sandstream.


EDIT : W00T 1000th post !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

boo836 December 9th, 2007 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowAzelf (Post 3156432)

Miltank @Leftovers
Careful Nature
EVs:252hp/128def/128spdef
Scrappy

Seismic Toss
Milk Drink
Heal Bell
Ice Punch/t-wave
She does Blissey's job, but, better. Her Seismic Toss can hit ghosts!

With t-wave miltank can be a blissey!

Samson December 9th, 2007 11:33 AM

eh... this looks messy.

if you're going to give azumarill substitute, you may as well give it focus punch. the perish song idea is just bad... sorry ._. you're really much better off replacing it for aqua jet for priority hitting against special sweepers.

that hariyama... a electivire counter? how so? you don't even have a STAB fighting move and don't have earthquake for an OHKO. stone edge wouldn't even ohko him ._. i would seriously rethink that moveset. you should give him CB and use leafeon for just plain physical tanking. you really need a harder hitter, especially on a team full of tanks.

as i pointed out, use leafeon for a physical tank. that moveset just won't do =/ give it a subpassing set so that it can immediately switch hariyama or porygon in.

that slowbro just won't do =/ i'd seriously consider giving it specs.

i like porygon 2, but i'd replace conversion for thunderwave. conversion just isn't worth it and is a waste of turn. you could instead survive the Close Combat, paralyze them and switch out to slowbro.

ice punch on miltank is so unnecessary. i'd really replace it for return for a good STAB against blissey and the like. if not that, then at least consider stealth rock or thunderwave. ice punch on miltank without a choice item is just awaiting disappointment.

ShadowAzelf December 9th, 2007 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boo836 (Post 3156532)
With t-wave miltank can be a blissey!

Sadly, no. Ice Punch kills Dragons.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3156515)
I dont get how Slowbro is a T-Tar counter, Boah has Dark Pulse and Thunderbolt. DD Tar has Crunch and CB Tar also has Crunch and Pursuit. Grass Knot and Surf are never OHKO's due to sandstream.


EDIT : W00T 1000th post !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Slowbro actually has enough defense to take about a little more than half from a CBCrunch but, what poke will CBTar hace to use Crunch on?A Dark Pulse won't do much and a T-Bolt does less than that.

Anti December 9th, 2007 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowAzelf (Post 3156567)
Sadly, no. Ice Punch kills Dragons.



Slowbro actually has enough defense to take about a little more than half from a CBCrunch but, what poke will CBTar hace to use Crunch on?A Dark Pulse won't do much and a T-Bolt does less than that.

Won't do much? lol

Slowbro has terrible SDef, Dark Pulse is a 2HKO easily.

And if Crunch does more than 50%, how does it counter TTar? Surf doesn't do much to it and it'll 3HKO at worst :/

EDIT: Miltank doesn't do blissey's job better ;/

luke December 9th, 2007 11:59 AM

As an avid fan of Slowbro, I can assure you that Tyranitar will actually be the bane of your existence. I hate that 50% SpDef Boost SOOOO much. Only you can counter Ttar is if you have a few CMs in, but you're not taking that route.

Dark Azelf December 9th, 2007 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3156583)
Won't do much? lol

Slowbro has terrible SDef, Dark Pulse is a 2HKO easily.

And if Crunch does more than 50%, how does it counter TTar? Surf doesn't do much to it and it'll 3HKO at worst :/

EDIT: Miltank doesn't do blissey's job better ;/

Quoted for truth.

I use Boah and i know both T-Bolt and Dark Pulse are both 2hkos. Tbolt 2hko's Suicune if it switches in and gets hit by sand stream, if T-Bolt 2hkos Cune ITS DEFINITELY GOING to 2hko Slowbro.

Quiet Nature, 190 SP.ATT EV BOAH does

Dark Pulse
62.40% - 73.40%

Thunderbolt
Damage: 53.96% - 63.43%

Both on 240 Hp/0 sp def slowbro


Also i suggest you get your damage calculations correct.

Choice Band Tyranitars Crunch doesnt do little over 50 % lol

Defender HP: 391
Damage: 250 - 295
Damage: 63.94% - 75.45%

From Max att Choice Band Adamant Tyranitar on Bold 240 HP/252 DEF Bold Slowbro.

Thats the sort of damage your looking at from a Crunch. Whilst you hardly 3hko it with surf and Grass Knot.

Anti December 9th, 2007 12:04 PM

Oh my :0

And about miltank, how does it do blissey's job better wwith 80 base SDef? In fact, without thick fat, SDef EVs are probably a lost cause on it to begin with.

Dark Azelf December 9th, 2007 12:16 PM

About that, good luck on switching that in on a Focus Blast from Gengar and Alakazam, Aura Spheres from Lucario and Draco Meteors from Specs Mence, Adaptability Tri attacks from Porygon-z and a whole other host of pokemon and attacks. Miltank is not Blissey and by that i mean it cant take those sort of hits.

Miltank is a physical tank not special, so i fail to see how and why you compare it to Blissey and say its better at doing its job =/

TP-BigWill December 9th, 2007 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samson (Post 3156559)
eh... this looks messy.

if you're going to give azumarill substitute, you may as well give it focus punch. the perish song idea is just bad... sorry ._. you're really much better off replacing it for aqua jet for priority hitting against special sweepers.

that hariyama... a electivire counter? how so? you don't even have a STAB fighting move and don't have earthquake for an OHKO. stone edge wouldn't even ohko him ._. i would seriously rethink that moveset. you should give him CB and use leafeon for just plain physical tanking. you really need a harder hitter, especially on a team full of tanks.

as i pointed out, use leafeon for a physical tank. that moveset just won't do =/ give it a subpassing set so that it can immediately switch hariyama or porygon in.

that slowbro just won't do =/ i'd seriously consider giving it specs.

i like porygon 2, but i'd replace conversion for thunderwave. conversion just isn't worth it and is a waste of turn. you could instead survive the Close Combat, paralyze them and switch out to slowbro.

ice punch on miltank is so unnecessary. i'd really replace it for return for a good STAB against blissey and the like. if not that, then at least consider stealth rock or thunderwave. ice punch on miltank without a choice item is just awaiting disappointment.

Thats just aweful advice...why not just tell the kid to throw on a Skarmory and Blissey while you're at it.

The whole point of this line up is versatility. You give Slowbro specs and it looses it's regenerative capacities with leftovers and Slak off, can be made to force out with another switch...that slowbro suggestion is just....bleh.

I'm not liking the Hariyama Moveset but doesn't mean that Leafeon is better suited for the job. Leafeon has way too many weaknesses to be considered a counter for electrive and gets walled rather easily with it's shallow move pool. besides.....electrive isn't anything...all it does is rely on Motor Drive...no static means epic rape. here's a more suited move set.
Hariyama 1
----------
Bullet Punch-(FPM)
Stone Edge-(whipes out fighting type's best friend-flyers)
Brick Break/Cross chop-(this one's is strength over acuracy...you're pick)
Substitute-(being a tank....(even though I can make better tanks)it shouldn't break to easily)

other hariyama yet to come.

Samson December 9th, 2007 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3156700)
Oh my :0

And about miltank, how does it do blissey's job better wwith 80 base SDef? In fact, without thick fat, SDef EVs are probably a lost cause on it to begin with.

actually, it has 70 base sp def XD

but that's besides the point that sp def evs really do help on miltank. they allow her to take special hits, paralyze, then recover the damage until the opponent is fully paralyzed, thus allowing her to take care of them or switch out.

edit: TP, slowbro can keep slack off with choice specs. it takes a much better battler to pull it off, something i'm sure you're not because of our earlier battle. the reason why i suggested choice specs is because he focused it on tanking so much that 16 SP ATK evs is not enough for it to be a COUNTER to anything. that way, it can actually do some worthwhile damage when trying to "counter" things. in all reality, it's more of a hindrance in battle because of its compelling weaknesses.

notice i said give leafeon a subpass set? it's weak to fire + ice, allowing it to switch in the perfect counter to absorb those hits. you basically argued the same thing but you suggest allowing it to be a physical sweeper when it clearly has all those weakness? it's one or the other, and it's much better off passing subs to tanks who can really throw out some stronger attacks.

all you did was added a STAB move to his set... well done.

airconditioning December 9th, 2007 12:44 PM

That Leafeon set is... eww. When you get to the point where Rock Smash is actually an option on your moveset, you realize that you really need to use someone else.

Then again, Leafeon gets X-Scissor. Why not try that?

Dark Azelf December 9th, 2007 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TP-BigWill (Post 3156753)
Thats just aweful advice...why not just tell the kid to throw on a Skarmory and Blissey while you're at it.

The whole point of this line up is versatility. You give Slowbro specs and it looses it's regenerative capacities with leftovers and Slak off, can be made to force out with another switch...that slowbro suggestion is just....bleh.

I'm not liking the Hariyama Moveset but doesn't mean that Leafeon is better suited for the job. Leafeon has way too many weaknesses to be considered a counter for electrive and gets walled rather easily with it's shallow move pool. besides.....electrive isn't anything...all it does is rely on Motor Drive...no static means epic rape. here's a more suited move set.
Hariyama 1
----------
Bullet Punch-(FPM)
Stone Edge-(whipes out fighting type's best friend-flyers)
Brick Break/Cross chop-(this one's is strength over acuracy...you're pick)
Substitute-(being a tank....(even though I can make better tanks)it shouldn't break to easily)

other hariyama yet to come.

Why Brick Break or Cross Chop when it has access to Close Combat ??


[email protected] orb / Burn orb / Choice Band
Adamant Nature
252 HP / 252 ATT / 6 DEF or 252 Atk / 88 Def / 168 Speed
Trait :Guts
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Bullet Punch /Faint Attack / payback
- Fire Punch/ Ice Punch / Thunderpunch / Facade


Apart from the fact that your post is LOL , what the hells wrong with Skarmory and Blissey, just because you cannot play against it like all n00bs cant, it doesnt mean its a bad thing to suggest.

Anti December 9th, 2007 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TP-BigWill (Post 3156753)
Thats just aweful advice...why not just tell the kid to throw on a Skarmory and Blissey while you're at it.

The whole point of this line up is versatility. You give Slowbro specs and it looses it's regenerative capacities with leftovers and Slak off, can be made to force out with another switch...that slowbro suggestion is just....bleh.

I'm not liking the Hariyama Moveset but doesn't mean that Leafeon is better suited for the job. Leafeon has way too many weaknesses to be considered a counter for electrive and gets walled rather easily with it's shallow move pool. besides.....electrive isn't anything...all it does is rely on Motor Drive...no static means epic rape. here's a more suited move set.
Hariyama 1
----------
Bullet Punch-(FPM)
Stone Edge-(whipes out fighting type's best friend-flyers)
Brick Break/Cross chop-(this one's is strength over acuracy...you're pick)
Substitute-(being a tank....(even though I can make better tanks)it shouldn't break to easily)

other hariyama yet to come.

Made me lol so hard. So much stuff in that post either contradicted itself or was hypocritical :/

And perhaps (as Samson said) replacing Ice Punch on miltank. I just don't get it :0

Also, this team is VERY slow. You're going to want some thunder wave support and maybe a fast sweeper or two.

boo836 December 9th, 2007 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TP-BigWill (Post 3156753)
Thats just aweful advice...why not just tell the kid to throw on a Skarmory and Blissey while you're at it.
Samson's not giving awful advise.:p

The whole point of this line up is versatility. You give Slowbro specs and it looses it's regenerative capacities with leftovers and Slak off, can be made to force out with another switch...that slowbro suggestion is just....bleh.
He means the choice specs set.:p

I'm not liking the Hariyama Moveset but doesn't mean that Leafeon is better suited for the job. Leafeon has way too many weaknesses to be considered a counter for electrive and gets walled rather easily with it's shallow move pool. besides.....electrive isn't anything...all it does is rely on Motor Drive...no static means epic rape. here's a more suited move set.
Nothing can counter vire with the original set.
Hariyama 1
----------
Bullet Punch-(FPM)
Stone Edge-(whipes out fighting type's best friend-flyers)
Brick Break/Cross chop-(this one's is strength over acuracy...you're pick)
Substitute-(being a tank....(even though I can make better tanks)it shouldn't break to easily)
Yeah right hariama has 60 in both defences.
other hariyama yet to come.

Hariyama movesets are in the pokemon disscusion sticky.

ShadowAzelf December 9th, 2007 1:31 PM

=_=... well... I see my team got rated without me >.>...

Anyway-

I forgot about the Sandstorm boost on T-Tar.

Actually, Miltank can do Blissey's job better as a CELRIC! Who said anything about a special wall?

Giving Specs to Slowbro is almost useless, I wanted to make it able to switch moves and since when does a tank use Choice items?

Okay, now, Azumaril can actually take a hit, 1 turn doesn't make a difference if your opponent's going to switch either way.

The Hariyama set was made to counter Weavile, I meant to put EQ > BB, that's why I said Vire counter as well.

Okay, T-Wave goes over Ice Punch then, it'll be less of an effort and T-Wave support for my team.

You do know that speed really isn't everything, right?

Leafeon has Rock Smash as that's the only fighting move it gets.

I wanted to put CM on Slowbro, is that a good idea? If so, CM over what?

I also forgot Tyraniboah's EV Spread, can someone post it?

Dark Azelf December 9th, 2007 1:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowAzelf (Post 3156939)
=_=... well... I see my team got rated without me >.>...

Anyway-

I forgot about the Sandstorm boost on T-Tar.

Actually, Miltank can do Blissey's job better as a CELRIC! Who said anything about a special wall?

Giving Specs to Slowbro is almost useless, I wanted to make it able to switch moves and since when does a tank use Choice items?

Okay, now, Azumaril can actually take a hit, 1 turn doesn't make a difference if your opponent's going to switch either way.

The Hariyama set was made to counter Weavile, I meant to put EQ > BB, that's why I said Vire counter as well.

Okay, T-Wave goes over Ice Punch then, it'll be less of an effort and T-Wave support for my team.

You do know that speed really isn't everything, right?

Leafeon has Rock Smash as that's the only fighting move it gets.

I wanted to put CM on Slowbro, is that a good idea? If so, CM over what?

I also forgot Tyraniboah's EV Spread, can someone post it?

Tyraniboah ev spread is 252 HP / 190 SP.ATT /68 SPEED and Quite or Rash nature.

Calm mind is good on Slowbro.

Also nobody said anything about miltank being a specail wall, its jut ridiculous to compare miltank to Blissey as they do different jobs. Miltank is physical tank and Bliss is a sp.wall.

You DO need a sp.wall though

Anti December 9th, 2007 1:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowAzelf (Post 3156939)
=_=... well... I see my team got rated without me >.>...

Anyway-

I forgot about the Sandstorm boost on T-Tar.

Actually, Miltank can do Blissey's job better as a CELRIC! Who said anything about a special wall?

Who said anything about a cleric either? ;) I would get into that...I'll just give you the short version. Blissey is more defensively-sound than miltank, thus giving it more freedom in switching in and clearing the team.

Giving Specs to Slowbro is almost useless, I wanted to make it able to switch moves and since when does a tank use Choice items?

Rhyperior, Tyranitar...

Okay, now, Azumaril can actually take a hit, 1 turn doesn't make a difference if your opponent's going to switch either way.

It kind of does. One turn can make or break a battle.

The Hariyama set was made to counter Weavile, I meant to put EQ > BB, that's why I said Vire counter as well.

Okay, T-Wave goes over Ice Punch then, it'll be less of an effort and T-Wave support for my team.

You do know that speed really isn't everything, right?

It isn't, but getting outsped by everything over the speed of heracross puts you at a disadvantage.

Leafeon has Rock Smash as that's the only fighting move it gets.

Who says it needs a fighting move? Quick attack would be better...actually, it really would be, it's a nice move.

I wanted to put CM on Slowbro, is that a good idea? If so, CM over what?

CM is great on slowbro.

I also forgot Tyraniboah's EV Spread, can someone post it?

Answers in bold, much more organized that way :P

Sora_8920 December 9th, 2007 1:40 PM

Wait, Tyranitar's a Tank? 0_o

Anti December 9th, 2007 1:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3156963)
Wait, Tyranitar's a Tank? 0_o

Can be. Depends on what set it runs and how you define tank. and really, lots of pokemon run choice sets, I've seen lots of CB dusknoirs lurking about.

ShadowAzelf December 9th, 2007 1:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3156955)
Tyraniboah ev spread is 252 HP / 190 SP.ATT /68 SPEED and Quite or Rash nature.

Calm mind is good on Slowbro.

Also nobody said anything about miltank being a specail wall, its jut ridiculous to compare miltank to Blissey as they do different jobs. Miltank is physical tank and Bliss is a sp.wall.

You DO need a sp.wall though

Thank You.

Maybe Dusknoir > Miltank?

Anti December 9th, 2007 1:42 PM

If you did that you'd be missing anything to absorb status :(


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