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Diamond and Pearl plot hole?
Well, as you all know, Pokemon Diamond and Pearl are set at the same time of the Lake of Rage incident from Gold/Silver/Crystal, which are set three years after FireRed/Leafgreen. However, you are able to migrate FR/LG Pokemon via the Pal Park from Kanto, without the use of a Time Machine from G/S/C.
This means that one of the games is not canon; What do you think? |
how can you confirm the timeline?
what proof exists to show that the story takes place a little later? |
The games dont have to be in time order anyway.
Its a different place in each game. |
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On the TV at the start, there is news of a Red Gyarados in a lake. Quote:
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Red Gyarados being in a lake doesn't mean it happened at the same time as G/S/C.
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It's obviously a reference to G/S/C. D/P has many of them.
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My theory is that the player in the past "releases" their pokemon while still keeping thier ownership of it. 3 years later, the pal park opens and those pokemon are lured there where a new trainer "captures" them. |
it could be an old documentary, like what the discovery shows friday nights in my area.
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"Have you heard of the whirl islands in johto? That silver colored pokemon. I must see it in my lifetime." "Have you heard on the tin tower in johto? That rainbow colored pokemon. I must see it in my lifetime." There's Jasmine hanging out in sunyshore city. The colors of the park balls are gold, silver, and blue(crystal). The hiker in hearthome saying something about Elm's report on pokemon eggs(proof that it takes place in the future) And the secret potion's bag description mentioning Cianwood city. |
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so look at it this way, its further in the future than G/S/C and besides it's not a plothole just the fact that you can transfer pokemon.
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As stated, the documentary could be a rerun.
Or, only the hero you play as knows for certain about the Lake of Rage incident (outside of Team Rocket). Everyone else just "heard about a strange Gyarados" or "thought they saw an odd colored Pokemon" in the Lake of Rage, so it could have evolved into something like Bigfoot, which they are still looking for to this day (note, the title of the show in D/P was "In Search of the Red Gyarados" as in they were looking for clues about it or a sighting, not that it was a video of the battle against it in G/S/C). And also, all Shiny Gyarados are red. So the one you fought in Lake of Rage wasn't the only shiny Gyarados in the world (or even the Lake of Rage). And there's no telling how long ago G/S/C was story-wise, or if the radio waves Team Rocket used in their Lake of Rage experiments had any long term effects on the Magikarp population there. And as for the Pal Park migration, I seriously doubt that is canonical. It was just a feature added in so you could keep your older Pokemon. I don't know anyone who would release their own Pokemon in a park on the opposite side of the nation for another trainer to "re-catch" and use as their own forever. |
i really did not pay attention to it. It means nothing. When i first saw it i said to myself...Ah, cool, but otherwise it means nothing.
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Plus, the Pal Park theory was just ridicolous, the Pal Park was just a feature, it's obviously not canon. Plus, theres a difference, correct me if I'm wrong, but in G/S/C, you TRADE with the older games, not have the older games transfer Pokemon, which is you don't give something in return. |
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And I agree with an above post about the pal park feature which has angered me >.< I reset ds clock and now have to wait 24 hours to migrate again dangumit anyway The reason for this feature was mant people were angered when losing G/S/C pkmn so Im guessing they didnt want angry trainers so they made it possible to retrieve your pokemon. |
OK. For the ones that don't know, D/P does happen near G/S/C because someone (in Hearthome, I think) mentions Prof. Elm, from Johto, recently discovered Pokémon come from eggs. Who helped him? Gold. And that was after getting his first badge, so you can deduce. If it wasn't for that, I'd say it happens a bit after or before G/S/C because you see Jasmine and Oak while they should be in Johto.
I like your thought about the time machine. However, you don't directly trade with people from the past, so I accept jigglypuff's theory about Pal Park, or any similar one. |
im not 100% sure on any of it But the closest assumption I can mke is that it takes place in the future after Johto starts but along the same timeline, and yes there are alot of references to Johto in D/P which is um awesome as it may lead to a new johto game or a third game taking you to a part of a remade if not the entire region of johto.
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In the G/S/C games it contained the Kanto and Johto regions I was thinkingg of something along that line
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I think its leading to something speacial about or 2nd gen games either the next version possibly having a small part of Johto or a remade Johto for you to travel to or possibly leading to a remake of them Like FR/LG I mean the G/S/C is the only one they have yet to remake, So its highly propable if not for them to add Johto into the 3rd but possible that they are hinting to about 2 or 3 remakes. This is how I conclude it they make ALOT of referances to the Johto areas, In text as well in items and Jasmine the Gym Leader so therefor we now know theyve remade one if not all the gymleaders and they also made the secret potion/medacine or w/e its called for the D/P version or maybe they are just easter eggs for us to cry over IMO D/P raises many mysteries.
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Perhaps Johto suffers from time problems (Hence Celebi), and must use a Time Machine to connect to other lands.
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Just because there are tiny little hints at G/S/C from D/P, it doesn't mean there's an actual timeline. Therefore, there's no such thing as a plot hole.
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