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Kittyipawd December 10th, 2007 2:30 PM

Can people help me make a team (helpful critism is needed)
 
This will be a Level 50 Battle revolution team (single battle),I want to make one because i need a decent team for battle rev


Togekiss
Abilitiy: Serene Grace
Item: leftovers
Moveset: Nasty plot
Air slash
Baton pass
Roost

EV spread :252HP / 232Def / 24SpDef
Nature: Calm

Starmie
Item:Life orb
Moveset: Ice beam
Psychic
Surf
Thunderbolt
EV spread :216 Spd / 252 Sp. Att / 42 HP
Nature:Timid

Swellow
Abilitiy: Guts
Item: Flame orb
Moveset: Arial ace
Facade
U-Turn
Protect

EV spread : 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid

Porygon-Z
Abilitiy: Adaptibility
Item: Life orb
Moveset: Hidden power (fighting)
Tri attack
Dark pulse
Ice beam

EV spread : 40HP / 252SpAtk / 216Spd
Nature: timid

Forretress
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 60 Atk / 196 Def
Moveset: Gyro Ball
Earthquake
Spikes
Rapid Spin

Nature: Relaxed
Ev's: 252HP / 160Atk / 96Def

Snorlax
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Thick fat
Moveset:Fire Punch
Body Slam
Rest
Curse

Nature: Careful
evs: 76HP / 44ATK / 136DEF / 252SP.DEF

El Gofre December 10th, 2007 2:34 PM

I have to go in a minute but here's what you're gonna get told a lot;
*Your entire team are sweepers, you're gonna be scrappin at least 3 of them.
*2 moves of the same type are pointless, salemence only needs dragon pulse IMO

EDIT: He's made the changes now, so that (^^^) doesnt count :)

Kittyipawd December 10th, 2007 2:40 PM

acually my starmie is a spinner and togekiss is just there to botn pass to eitheier samelence or porygon-Z depending on situation

GeneralGuy December 10th, 2007 2:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3159888)
acually my starmie is a spinner and togekiss is just there to botn pass to eitheier samelence or porygon-Z depending on situation

They still aren't walls or tanks. You'll be in huge trouble if the opponent overpowers you with faster sweepers.

boo836 December 10th, 2007 2:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3159857)
Electivire
Abilitiy: Motor Drive
Item:
Moveset:Electivire @ Expert belt
Trait:motor drive
Nature:Adamant
Evs:252att, 252 spd, 6hp.
Ice punch
Thunder punch
earthquake
cross chop

EV spread :
Nature:
Adamant

Togekiss
Abilitiy: Serene Grace
Item: Focus sash
Moveset: Nasty plot
Air slash
aura sphere
T-wave
EV spread :
Nature: Calm
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There I put some things in. And also, next time don't put in all those fonts, it's hard to locate things and most people rate in bold so that makes it even harder for them.

El Gofre December 10th, 2007 2:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3159896)
They still aren't walls or tanks. You'll be in huge trouble if the opponent overpowers you with faster sweepers.

Thats what I meant^^^ having a passer/spinner isnt enough

Kittyipawd December 10th, 2007 2:48 PM

may somone suggest the fourth attack instead of draco metoer and i wiill get to changing font now

ABYAY December 10th, 2007 2:50 PM

If Toge is a Baton Passer, then throw in an Ancientpower. Baton Pass with that = zomg they're gonna die. I'm strange when it comes to movesets, but here's what I got.

[email protected] Sash
Nature: Bold (extra defense)/calm (boost to sp. def)/Timid (If you just plan to Nasty Plot and get out of there, this might be your only hope, but I highly disapprove.)
EVs: 200 HP/200 Def/100 sp. def/10 sp. atk (I'm suckish when it comes to dividing EVs unless they're on the 100s. I know I'm incorrect, so kill me. lol)

Ancientpower
Baton Pass
Nasty Plot
Air Slash/Silver Wind (just another stat booster)

I'm not a Togekiss user. I just think that might work.

Kittyipawd December 10th, 2007 2:53 PM

Ancietpower is highly unrealible and doesnt it have weak base power and the weakness of toge kiss are all speciall attacks (moslty) so i wold go with calm and nothing into attack because i put air slashh to not get subjected to a taunt

ABYAY December 10th, 2007 2:58 PM

But you don't quite see the point of my suggestion; with Ancientpower and Serene Grace, you have a 20% to raise ALL of your stats. With Baton Pass, it's the faved partner. Air Slash is there to pick off other pokemon if they're slow.

That's just my idea.

Kittyipawd December 10th, 2007 3:01 PM

Yes but i like rialbilty (except when it comes to thunder)

20%= 1 over 5 not my style ,besides i make my pokes fats all i need is for them to one hit okho and i tried super type coverage (but im not good at that)

Syaoran December 10th, 2007 3:03 PM

* Having Dragon Pulse and Draco Meteor is standard, and it works for late game sweep.
* There's nothing wrong with his Togekiss. People need to realize not every Togekiss must be a flinch hax one. Jeez.

And BTW, Togekiss + Starmie + Electivire makes a sweet combo. Togekiss can take unSTAB'd super effective hits really well, so when you think you're done Nasty Plotting, you can Baton Pass to Electivire (suspecting an electric attack) or Starmie (suspecting an ice attack).. For Electivire you'd want a more oriented special set if you follow that route (SubPunch, Thunderbolt and HP ice makes a good yet surprising set).

Passing Nasty Plots to SpecMence won't do you any good since you'll be stuck on one move. And yea, you kinda need a pokemon to be able to take hits from faster opponents that would wreck you otherwise. Try Cresselia (as much as I loathe it), it can be extremely hard to take down after 2 Nasty Plots (Psychic for STAB, HP fight for Weavile and Tyranitar, Rest/Moonlight for heal, Reflect or even Shadow Ball if you're scared of getting walled by Spiritomb).

flamehaze94 December 10th, 2007 3:15 PM

*sigh*

The lack of knowledgable help really is lackluster these days ;[ (Not talking to Syaoran)


Anyways, here's the rate:

Salamence: 120HP / 252SpAtk / 136Spd on Mence, Modest nature. You're missing a move, fill in the space with Draco Meteor.


Electivire: 252Atk / 80SpAtk / 176Spd. Lonely nature. Thunder Punch, HP [Grass], Earthquake, Cross Chop. Give it Life Orb.

Togekiss: Lol, Focus Sash. Use Leftovers or nothin' at all. 252HP / 232Def / 24SpDef pl0x.

Starmie: Fine.

Lucario: No Close Combat is ;_____;. Bulk it up, give it enough speed to beat max speed, neutral natured Heracross and pump the rest to HP. Choice Band it, Lum Berry honestly ain't helpin' much. Adamant nature always, Timid ones are horrendous.

Porygon-Z: Timid, pump speed till you beat Adamant Garchomp and max SpAtk, then add the leftovers to HP. Thunderbolt>Ice Beamz.



Nothing can take a hit in this team and that's going to cost you.


LO Gyardos weak, Salamence weak, Porygon-Z weak, Swampert weak, Weavile weak, Garchomp weak, Azelf weak, Gengar weak, Heracross weak, Togekiss weak, SpecsTran weak, MSZapdos weak, CB Slaking weak, SubSeed Sceptile weak, Breloom, Gallade weak, Medicham weak, CMCune weak, Tyranitar weak, Celebi weak, and CMKou weak.


Other than that, great job =)

Romo_Owens December 10th, 2007 3:36 PM

Well I don't like your Lucario. The main issue is brickbreak. you have a lot of different options. You have a lot of choices with lucario. Other than brick break you have sky uppercut, close combat, the specials aura sphere and focus blast, cross chop and the super fast vacuum wave.

I don't like hidden power on your porygon Z. Hidden power always seems like a moveslot filler for a pokemon with a key weakness it can't cover. With a movepool like Porygon-Z's anything can replace hidden power. You've gotta throw a thunderbolt in there. And instead of dark pulse try Psychic or Shadow Ball if you're going to go into that.

Kittyipawd December 10th, 2007 3:42 PM

ok i just dont know which spweeper to get way(i think samelence and lucari)

also a blissey would be good for this team rgiht?

sims796 December 10th, 2007 3:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flamehaze94 (Post 3159988)
*sigh*

The lack of knowledgable help really is lackluster these days ;[ (Not talking to Syaoran)
I'm glad you know SO much!

Nothing can take a hit in this team and that's going to cost you.
I agree.

LO Gyardos weak, Salamence weak, Porygon-Z weak, Swampert weak, Weavile weak, Garchomp weak, Azelf weak, Gengar weak, Heracross weak, Togekiss weak, SpecsTran weak, MSZapdos weak, CB Slaking weak, SubSeed Sceptile weak, Breloom, Gallade weak, Medicham weak, CMCune weak, Tyranitar weak, Celebi weak, and CMKou weak.


Other than that, great job =)

Just saying "weak" is highly unhelpful.


Also, Acient Power is an awful move to pass. Unless you are passing something else along with it. It is too weak, & a 20% chance to pass is too unreliable. & Who really uses all 5 stat increases anyway?

ultranerd57 December 10th, 2007 3:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3160039)
ok i just dont know which spweeper to get way(i think samelence and lucari)

also a blissey would be good for this team rgiht?

Ditch Starmie because its boltbeam strategy is covered by E-vire and Pory-Z and possibly Salamence but keep Lucario cause you need a physical sweeper.

ABYAY December 10th, 2007 3:51 PM

I consider Lucario too fragile... Ground, Fighting, Fire, 3 common moves (okay mainly 2), and although his movepool is great, that 95 base speed just doesn't quite cut it for me... If he's running physical, then it CAN work, but I can't note any results.

Salamence is pretty good; Initimidate helps keep him alive if hit first by something, unless it's Ice Beam, but an ice-resistant pokemon will help with that. DP and DM are common used in my eyes, so stick with him.

For walls... I know Milo makes a good wall or sp. sponge, Skarmory being the other. Forretress works very well too.

sims796 December 10th, 2007 3:53 PM

Oh sweet heveans, you need a physical wall! How about Forry? It has Rapid Spin....

Kittyipawd December 10th, 2007 3:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3160055)
Ditch Starmie because its boltbeam strategy is covered by E-vire and Pory-Z and possibly Salamence but keep Lucario cause you need a physical sweeper.


one word spinner and i never liked lucario it's just friend siad you should use him he covers much

EDIT"hey your that guy thta evrone talks about but anyways should i take off lucario and elctrivire make starmie special swepper and fortress my spinner and walll?

Syaoran December 10th, 2007 4:00 PM

Try Choice Band Machamp with No Guard (or Guts if you don't care for confusion). It's bulky enough and can do some huge damage with Dynamic Punch, Stone Edge, Ice Punch and Bullet Punch (just in case you need to get rid of those focus sashers).

sims796 December 10th, 2007 4:01 PM

Who, me? Well, thanks, I suppose.

If you dislike Vire, go ahead. But I love him as a SkarmBliss killer.

Kittyipawd December 10th, 2007 4:02 PM

thank you know i need to decide on a special wall blissey move set and ev spread

Syaoran December 10th, 2007 4:05 PM

I suggest dropping Porygon-Z for Cresselia and Lucario for Machamp. Also Salamence doesn't look that good on this team, try Gyarados (also has Intimidate) to lure in electric attacks on Electivire.

Kittyipawd December 10th, 2007 4:11 PM

True but i never used gryados ever so what is he like a special sweeper ,pyshcial

also who would cover more my new none spinner starmie (replaced by a future fortresses) or a good gryados?

Sora_8920 December 10th, 2007 4:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3160128)
True but i never used gryados ever so what is he like a special sweeper ,pyshcial

also who would cover more my new none spinner starmie (replaced by a future fortresses) or a good gryados?

God your posts are really hard to understand. Anyways, you have like 3 Special Sweepers.. I would suggest getting rid of some..

Kittyipawd December 10th, 2007 4:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3160134)
God your posts are really hard to understand. Anyways, you have like 3 Special Sweepers.. I would suggest getting rid of some..

sorry about that but i just wanted to know what could cover more a special sweeper gryados or my current starmie (my new spinner will be my fortetress )

also do you now what i could fill up for my other 2 moves of swellow seeing as he will be my physical sweeper seeing as facade with him will have a giant base power

Sora_8920 December 10th, 2007 4:23 PM

Eh? Since everyone is telling me not to copy from Smogon, I'll take a guess.. Roost ; U-Turn. Brave Bird is another option for AA, and perhaps Focus Sash for the item, but Toxic Orb really helps to take adventage of Guts..

Kittyipawd December 10th, 2007 4:25 PM

ya my friend told me to put like a flame orb but that would cut my attack in half so no...I guess i will use u-turn for emergeny's but i want something out of it's type group to cover more groups

ChrisG14 December 10th, 2007 4:41 PM

The hell? Swellow's too fragile to Roost, I suggest U-Turn and Brave Bird with Protect and Facade /w Toxic or Flame Orb. And Burn doesn't negate Guts, if I'm not mistaken. But if you don't want Brave Bird, try Steel Wing. With Guts activated, it can do some serious damage to TTar.

ultranerd57 December 10th, 2007 4:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3160163)
ya my friend told me to put like a flame orb but that would cut my attack in half so no...I guess i will use u-turn for emergeny's but i want something out of it's type group to cover more groups

Actual with guts it strenghtens with flame orb plus facade is one big dent in your opponent.

Syaoran December 10th, 2007 4:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisG14 (Post 3160221)
The hell? Swellow's too fragile to Roost, I suggest U-Turn and Brave Bird with Protect and Facade /w Toxic or Flame Orb. And Burn doesn't negate Guts, if I'm not mistaken. But if you don't want Brave Bird, try Steel Wing. With Guts activated, it can do some serious damage to TTar.

U-turn will be doing the same damage as Steel Wing, only that it has 100% accuracy.

And for the thread starter: what is the point in changing your entire team now? you actually had something going for you with the first team but now you're just raising random ideas.

Anti December 10th, 2007 5:02 PM

TDB Leader, it would be oh so helpful to make your posts more legible ^_^ Thanks.

But as it's been pointed out, this team can't take hits to save its life. First, you have to focus on /THE/ powerhouse attackers, usually choice users and stat boosters. This, of course, requires the help of walling. Skarmory and blissey are obvious wall choices, let's see some others:

Physical Walls
Skarmory
Forretress
Metagross (yes, it can wall)
Steelix
Donphan
Gliscor
Weezing

Special Walls
Blissey
Snorlax
Regice
Hypno
Articuno

Mixed Walls
Dusknoir
Bronzong
Cressi
Suicune (I guess)
Claydol
Milotic

etc. etc.

Those were off the top of my head, I forgot some, so yeah. So anyways, looking at your current team, I see WAY too many special sweepers. If any of your walls can spin, replace starmie (or pory Z and run choice specs starmie). Otherwise, I'd replace Pory Z.

Anyways, the very special attackers you use gobble your team up. Get a reliable special wall. I wouldn't recommend regice or articuno since you have a lot of boltbeamers already. Maybe snorlax would be of benefit, but I'd give it crunch to deal with azelf and gengar.

As for the physical side of things, there are far more choices. I recommend skarmory for this team. And actually, all of your swepers hit very hard, but they often fail to OHKO. I'd consider putting dugtrio over togekiss or one of the other special sweepers and put in dugtrio. ESPECIALLY if you use skarmory or Forretress, as they fear Magneton. But magneton fears dugtrio, lol

Kittyipawd December 10th, 2007 5:02 PM

i just want to no who will be bait for electrivire and evryone confuses me all i know is lucario is a no-no for what i was trying to doMain special sweeper:electrivrePesky thing to atrract elctric attacks and do some damage and relief spikes:Starmiedenfence wall and also reliefs spikes: Fortetresspyhsical sweeper:swellowBaton passer :togekissand i need a special defense guy that would be good for this team and yes ive been very confused but i dont think my team covered that good and evryone said i couldn't take a hit

xxspeedy101 December 10th, 2007 5:03 PM

well seeing as how most of this team you got off of me i can't help you much but the starmie is good, but i still don't see it as a threat no matter how many times i see it.

Anti December 10th, 2007 5:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxspeedy101 (Post 3160294)
well seeing as how most of this team you got off of me i can't help you much but the starmie is good, but i still don't see it as a threat no matter how many times i see it.

???

And Mr. Thread Starter, I would respond to your post, but I literally am having trouble reading it :0 Please use end punctuation to avoid all the confusion...I would stay on topic but I can't read the topic :0

xxspeedy101 December 10th, 2007 5:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3160323)
???

And Mr. Thread Starter, I would respond to your post, but I literally am having trouble reading it :0 Please use end punctuation to avoid all the confusion...I would stay on topic but I can't read the topic :0

were good friends, i help'd him bulid his team (and by help i mean he took)

Anti December 10th, 2007 5:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxspeedy101 (Post 3160358)
were good friends, i help'd him bulid his team (and by help i mean he took)

Well no offense, but it wasn't a very good one...

But we can't really help any further until we here from the thread starter.

xxspeedy101 December 10th, 2007 5:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3160374)
Well no offense, but it wasn't a very good one...

But we can't really help any further until we here from the thread starter.

no offense taken, he messed up the moves in my opinion and he took half of my team and half of another of my teams so it's no exactly like my "on hand" team

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxspeedy101 (Post 3160416)
no offense taken, he messed up the moves in my opinion and he took half of my team and half of another of my teams so it's no exactly like my "on hand" team


you lie but im sorry it's just my grammer sucks but i want a riable team that covers a lot and stamrie (bolt beamer) but im confused about pyhsical sweeper

also to the person that put those walls thank you but somone i can't think of a defensive moveset for a fortetress.

and yes i want to take my original team down because it really can't take a hit.

Anti December 11th, 2007 12:36 PM

Forretress @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 60 Atk / 196 Def
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin

;)

Sora_8920 December 11th, 2007 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3161887)
you lie but im sorry it's just my grammer sucks but i want a riable team that covers a lot and stamrie (bolt beamer) but im confused about pyhsical sweeper

also to the person that put those walls thank you but somone i can't think of a defensive moveset for a fortetress.

and yes i want to take my original team down because it really can't take a hit.

You could use a Word Processor, and Copy the Text you want.

luke December 11th, 2007 12:48 PM

OK OK! Let's review this thread so far:

xxxspeedy - Sorry he took your team. However, that gives you no right to spam this thread. Stop it.

Anti- Good job holding your tongue. I'm proud you're learning.

Itachi- It's okay if you post from Smogon. Honestly it is. Just explain the strategy behind the move set.

ultranerd- Yes, you're correct the Guts negates the Attack drop of a Burn. It's the preferred item on Guts users if you choose to take that route.

flamehaze- No need to critique everyone else's rating style. Just rate and move on.

Chrisg- I would definitely go with U-Turn over Steel Wing. Provides Swellow with an easy escape route and provides some coverage for Swellow.

TDB_Leader- Please improve your grammar and use a proper format for your team. I honestly can't give you a good rate with the condition it's in now. However, from what I've gotten from everybody else's posts, I can advise you that a team with many sweepers IS workable. But only in the hands of an experienced player. I don't know what your skill level is, but if you feel you're not as experienced as you'd like to be, please insert some walls into your team.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 12:56 PM

Man I most look like a noob but that doesn’t matter

Moderator I didn’t exactly steal Speedy’s team because he made recommendations for lacario, and samelance since they are used a lot and yes I am not really experienced but im not that bad.

May I ask why to put spikes on fortetress if I have no one on my team with roar, or whirlwind?

luke December 11th, 2007 12:58 PM

It will still hurt when your opponent switches Pokemon. It doesn't have to be used in tandem with Roar. I don't care if you took his team or not. None of my concern. I was just concerned with the spam he was littering in your thread.

Anti December 11th, 2007 1:00 PM

PHazer support is nice, but not necessary to use spikes well. Though you really should run a PHYazer on this team anyways.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 1:08 PM


Well I have one more spot on Swellow’s moveset so can it learn whirlwind?
Also why should I put a flame orb even if Guts does negate the burn I am perfectly ok with the poison.



Anti December 11th, 2007 1:12 PM

does it really matter? I think the posion gets worse (not sure though), so burn would be better probably...

And whirlwind should only be used on pokemon that can take hits, like suicune.

Dark Azelf December 11th, 2007 1:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3161968)
Well I have one more spot on swellow's moveset so can it learn whirlwind?
Also why should I put a flame orb even if Guts does negate the burn I am perfectly ok with the poison.

Burn does more at the beginning , however poison builds up more and will do more damage in the long run, so id stick with burn.

Its too fragile for whirlwind, put in protect to activate the Burn orb.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 1:15 PM

Oh ok I guess for long run I will put Flame orb but can Swellow learn anything that is not normal or flying that isn’t steel wing?

boo836 December 11th, 2007 1:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flamehaze94 (Post 3159988)
*sigh*

The lack of knowledgable help really is lackluster these days ;[ (Not talking to Syaoran)


Anyways, here's the rate:

Salamence: 120HP / 252SpAtk / 136Spd on Mence, Modest nature. You're missing a move, fill in the space with Draco Meteor.


Electivire: 252Atk / 80SpAtk / 176Spd. Lonely nature. Thunder Punch, HP [Grass], Earthquake, Cross Chop. Give it Life Orb.
Adamant works better with thunder punch, ice punch, earthquake, cross chop and also, get rid of the sp att evs and max out speed and put 6 into hp. And give vire expert belt.

Togekiss: Lol, Focus Sash. Use Leftovers or nothin' at all. 252HP / 232Def / 24SpDef pl0x.

Starmie: Fine.

Lucario: No Close Combat is ;_____;. Bulk it up, give it enough speed to beat max speed, neutral natured Heracross and pump the rest to HP. Choice Band it, Lum Berry honestly ain't helpin' much. Adamant nature always, Timid ones are horrendous.

Porygon-Z: Timid, pump speed till you beat Adamant Garchomp and max SpAtk, then add the leftovers to HP. Thunderbolt>Ice Beamz.
I disagree since bolt beam works better TOGETHER.


Nothing can take a hit in this team and that's going to cost you.


LO Gyardos weak, Salamence weak, Porygon-Z weak, Swampert weak, Weavile weak, Garchomp weak, Azelf weak, Gengar weak, Heracross weak, Togekiss weak, SpecsTran weak, MSZapdos weak, CB Slaking weak, SubSeed Sceptile weak, Breloom, Gallade weak, Medicham weak, CMCune weak, Tyranitar weak, Celebi weak, and CMKou weak.
1. electivire counters t-tar, tran and celebi (Which is not a sweeper but a cleric).

Other than that, great job =)

Everything is in bold. And

Anti December 11th, 2007 1:16 PM

boo, why'd you say boltbeam should be run together? You know, both moves are still plenty usable without the other...EDIT: Swellow has a bad movepool. But pursuit is fun.

Dark Azelf December 11th, 2007 1:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3161980)
Oh ok I guess for long run I will put Flame orb but can Swellow learn anything that is not normal or flying that isn’t steel wing?

Honestly it needs protect in that last slot or youll die before you get a chance to sweep.

It learns Brave Bird, you may want to consider that.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 1:37 PM

Protect is into consideration but if things get bad shouldn’t I use just use U-turn seeing as this team is for single battle on battle revolution.

Dark Azelf December 11th, 2007 1:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3162034)
Protect is into consideration but if things get bad shouldn’t I use just use U-turn seeing as this team is for single battle on battle revolution.

Its mainly there to activate the Burn Orb so you get the guts boost to start without taking damage.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 1:51 PM

yes I've never used orb's how do they work? and how many things can outspeed Swellow?

Dark Azelf December 11th, 2007 1:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3162076)
yes I've never used orb's how do they work? and how many things can outspeed Swellow?

Its activated on the end of the first turn.

So basically

GO Swellow !

Swellow uses protect.

Opponent uses attack

Swellow was burned by the orb.


The only things that outspeed swellow are (Weavile has the same speed as it and so does darkrai) Crobat, Aerodactyl, Jolteon, Electrode, Ninjask and the Ubers like mewtwo and Deoxys. The ubers you shouldnt be seeing at all.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 2:03 PM

Even with the ev's( it sucks that there my biggest weaknesses) I have on it and thanks for the explanation.

I now have 2 special sweepers, 1 physical sweeper, 1 nasty plot passer, and a spinner/ physical wall.

Is there any specific special defense wall you would recommend seeing my biggest weakness is rock, and electric.

Dark Azelf December 11th, 2007 2:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3162116)
Even with the ev's( it sucks that there my biggest weaknesses) I have on it and thanks for the explanation.

I now have 2 special sweepers, 1 physical sweeper, 1 nasty plot passer, and a spinner/ physical wall.

Is there any specific special defense wall you would recommend seeing my biggest weakness is rock, and electric.

Forretress covers your rock weakness somewhat.

You can use Blissey, but seeing as some people dont like it you can use Snorlax, Dusknoir etc.

Also put Jolly instead of timid on Swellow as timid takes away from its attack.

GeneralGuy December 11th, 2007 2:11 PM

Swellow has a terrible moveset. It is uncapable of damaging Ghost and Steel types, and can be taken out quite easily.

Dark Azelf December 11th, 2007 2:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3162143)
Swellow has a terrible moveset. It is uncapable of damaging Ghost and Steel types, and can be taken out quite easily.

Aerial Ace and Brave bird kills ghost types and can you find a move in any swellows moveset to kill steels ? This is where U-Turn and switching come in.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 2:15 PM

Thank you also should i make my porygon-Z a choice specs porygon-Z or it wouldn't work for my team.

What would a good moveset for a special defense snorlax be that wont' be subjected to a taunt?

GeneralGuy December 11th, 2007 2:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3162147)
Aerial Ace and Brave bird kills ghost types can you find a move in any swellows moveset to kill steels ? This is where U-Turn and switching come in.

Fortresses should be switched into Steel types, unless you're facing Heatran.

Sora_8920 December 11th, 2007 2:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3162151)
Fortresses should be switched into Steel types, unless you're facing Heatran.

Fortress? WTF? You should actually switch something that can decently counter the Steel Type. :/

Dark Azelf December 11th, 2007 2:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3162149)
Thank you also should i make my porygon-Z a choice specs porygon-Z or it wouldn't work for my team.

What would a good moveset for a special defense snorlax thta wont' be subjected to taunt?

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nature: Careful
evs: 76HP / 44ATK / 136DEF / 252SP.DEF
ABILITY : THICK FAT
- Fire Punch /Crunch / Earthquake
- Body Slam
- Rest
- Curse

You got mixed up, its SLAKING that gets traunt lol

Fire Punch for steels who somewhat wall this.

Crunch for psychics and ghosts again the latter walls you.

Earthquake for Tyranitar and general coverage etc.

Body Slam for paralysis.

Rest to restore hp.

Curse to buff you up on the attack and defense side.




The porygon you have now is fine,but you can specs it if you wish but you wont be able to pass Nasty Plots to it.

GeneralGuy December 11th, 2007 2:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3162154)
Fortress? WTF? You should actually switch something that can decently counter the Steel Type. :/

If the opposing pokemon is a tank, switch into Fortresses and setup Spikes, while EQing the steel type. If the pokemon is a wall, however, switch into a sweeper and proceed to kill it.

Sora_8920 December 11th, 2007 2:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3162164)
If the opposing pokemon is a tank, switch into Fortresses and setup Spikes, while EQing the steel type. If the pokemon is a wall, however, switch into a sweeper and proceed to kill it.

Ok. Kinda hard to understand. x.x And EQ still does crap, crappy Attack, and Steel Types like Steelix are defensive. IMO. Walls are made to counter Sweepers. x.x

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 2:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3162157)
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nature: Careful
evs: 76HP / 44ATK / 136DEF / 252SP.DEF
ABILITY : THICK FAT
- Fire Punch /Crunch / Earthquake
- Body Slam
- Rest
- Curse

You got mixed up, its SLAKING that gets traunt lol

Fire Punch for steels

Crunch for psychics and ghosts

Earthquake for Tyranitar etc.

Body Slam for paralysis

Rest to restore hp.

Curse to buff you up on the attack and defense side.




The porygon you have now is fine,but you can specs it if you wish but you wont be able to pass Nasty Plots to it.

That is why i made a thread to help me correct my original team (I knew there was alot wrong with it)


And wow that covers alot thanks( now i gotta decide between which moves to pick on it based on my teams weaknesses)

GeneralGuy December 11th, 2007 2:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3162176)
Ok. Kinda hard to understand. x.x And EQ still does crap, crappy Attack, and Steel Types like Steelix are defensive. IMO. Walls are made to counter Sweepers. x.x

For Steelix, I'd switch into a special sweeper.

Sora_8920 December 11th, 2007 2:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3162202)
For Steelix, I'd switch into a special sweeper.

Ok. Now that we're clear.. Uh.. We'll wait to hear from the Thread starter...

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 2:37 PM

swellow is kinda there to be a scout and if i think things will be dangerous i will switch to something that will counter it and i think i will be able to cover all 17 types just let me check....

Sora_8920 December 11th, 2007 2:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3162214)
swellow is kinda there to be a scout and if i think things will be dangerous i will switch to something that will counter it and i think i will be able to cover all 17 types just let me check....

?? Still hard to understand.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 2:42 PM

I just meant that it will be there to scout and if it really can't handle things it will use U-turn and I will switch to a pokemon that can counter it i just need to check if i can cover all 17 types

flamehaze94 December 11th, 2007 2:48 PM

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Originally Posted by boo836
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Originally Posted by flamehaze94
*sigh*

The lack of knowledgable help really is lackluster these days ;[ (Not talking to Syaoran)


Anyways, here's the rate:

Salamence: 120HP / 252SpAtk / 136Spd on Mence, Modest nature. You're missing a move, fill in the space with Draco Meteor.


Electivire: 252Atk / 80SpAtk / 176Spd. Lonely nature. Thunder Punch, HP [Grass], Earthquake, Cross Chop. Give it Life Orb.
Adamant works better with thunder punch, ice punch, earthquake, cross chop and also, get rid of the sp att evs and max out speed and put 6 into hp. And give vire expert belt.

Togekiss: Lol, Focus Sash. Use Leftovers or nothin' at all. 252HP / 232Def / 24SpDef pl0x.

Starmie: Fine.

Lucario: No Close Combat is ;_____;. Bulk it up, give it enough speed to beat max speed, neutral natured Heracross and pump the rest to HP. Choice Band it, Lum Berry honestly ain't helpin' much. Adamant nature always, Timid ones are horrendous.

Porygon-Z: Timid, pump speed till you beat Adamant Garchomp and max SpAtk, then add the leftovers to HP. Thunderbolt>Ice Beamz.
I disagree since bolt beam works better TOGETHER.


Nothing can take a hit in this team and that's going to cost you.


LO Gyardos weak, Salamence weak, Porygon-Z weak, Swampert weak, Weavile weak, Garchomp weak, Azelf weak, Gengar weak, Heracross weak, Togekiss weak, SpecsTran weak, MSZapdos weak, CB Slaking weak, SubSeed Sceptile weak, Breloom, Gallade weak, Medicham weak, CMCune weak, Tyranitar weak, Celebi weak, and CMKou weak.
1. electivire counters t-tar, tran and celebi (Which is not a sweeper but a cleric).

Other than that, great job =)



Boo836, do you even know what you're talking about?



HP [Grass]>>>>Ice Punch, anyday.

The Starmie thing was just idiotic.

Electivire can never counter T-Tar, Tran, or Celebi. Celebi actually counters Electivire, and it can outstal everything in this team, that's why it's a threat. I suggest you know what you're talking about before you start making assumptions.



Now for something on topic:

Forretress wants 252HP / 160Atk / 96Def as the EVs. Gyro Ball is aweful. You have a Gyarados weak, so fit in Zap Cannon>Gyro Ball.


Swellow wants Protect.

40HP / 252SpAtk / 216Spd on Porygon-Z.

Arcknight316 December 11th, 2007 2:53 PM

Mmmmmm...a Forretress with Zap Cannon? IMO, not gonna work.

GeneralGuy December 11th, 2007 2:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3162237)
I just meant that it will be there to scout and if it really can't handle things it will use U-turn and I will switch to a pokemon that can counter it i just need to check if i can cover all 17 types

You can't counter every type because Swellow's move capabilities are limited.

Sora_8920 December 11th, 2007 2:55 PM

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Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3162277)
Mmmmmm...a Forretress with Zap Cannon? IMO, not gonna work.

Oh. Really? IMO. Maybe some facts? And flameheze knows what he's talking about, so he'll probably give his reasoning.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 2:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3162283)
You can't counter every type because Swellow's move capabilities are limited.

Yeah I know that but a whole individual team should that's why U-turn is there to make pacth up swellow greatest weakness (a limited moveset)

You thought i meant swellow that would be really dumb

Arcknight316 December 11th, 2007 3:01 PM

Yeah, I know, flamehaze knows all. But Forry has really....uh....low SATK. And Zap Cannon has bad accuracy. I'd run Rock Slide instead.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 3:33 PM

Well I think I cover all types except the physhic and ghost types so i will teach snorlax crunch (thats not including dark pulse on porygon-Z).
EDIT~Instead i will put fire punch seeing as i dont' cover ice.

Um i think i would go with gyro ball (flamehaze could you give me reasoning to the zap cannon?) and i also cover flying types very nicley due to ice beams and thunderbolt

Anti December 11th, 2007 5:43 PM

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Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3162277)
Mmmmmm...a Forretress with Zap Cannon? IMO, not gonna work.

The term "Gyarados Counter" comes to mind. Let's not jump to suck conclusions next time :/

Though flmaehaze, Gyro ball isn't awful either you know. It has saved me countless times (though we can blame that on the metagame but I won't go there lol).

Syaoran December 11th, 2007 5:50 PM

Dont forget the dreaded Explosion that puts an end to a lot of problems, like Gyarados.

Anti December 11th, 2007 5:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Syaoran (Post 3162894)
Dont forget the dreaded Explosion that puts an end to a lot of problems, like Gyarados.

I'm not crazy about blowing up my wall, except for the rare steelix of the CB variant or when I have decent enough backup walling.

Which when you come to think of it, explosion would help if you had something like donphan to back it up.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 5:54 PM

should I keep gyro ball also can people now rate my team since it's going to it's finishing stages now? I think I have good team coverage and Gyarados is not a problem with all the ice beams i have.

lanturn 550 December 11th, 2007 6:12 PM

I personly think that togekiss is a bit..... under offensive... anyways i chose my superteam by weakness, movestes and strategies (e.g. my electric impervious lanturn with blizzard or heracross with shadow claw.)

sims796 December 11th, 2007 6:13 PM

I don't care what people say. I think Zap Cannon Forry sucks like holy hell. Gya's Sp.Def is quite high compared to Forry's hard to look at Sp.ATK. I must flip a coin to HOPE it hits, & it won't OHKO Gya. Plus, If Gya came ino Forry, the opponent will most likely switch-Forry walls Gya pretty well. Not for paralysis, get someone who can use 100% T-Wave if you want it so bad. You'll need some hard core evidence to convince me otherwise.

EDIT:Plus. Ice Beam doesn't scare Gya in the least. Ice Punch is good on Vire, but still, Grass is better. But its so difficult to get.

Anti December 11th, 2007 6:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lanturn 550 (Post 3162990)
I personly think that togekiss is a bit..... under offensive... anyways i chose my superteam by weakness, movestes and strategies (e.g. my electric impervious lanturn with blizzard or heracross with shadow claw.)

Not to bust your bubble but that made no sense at all. and blizzard is bad unless it has hail support, and most hail teams are gimmicks anyways.

Syaoran December 11th, 2007 6:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3162996)
Not for paralysis, get someone who can use 100% T-Wave if you want it so bad. You'll need some hard core evidence to convince me otherwise.

But Thunder Wave gets taunted. Although I agree that Zap Cannon is crap. 50% becomes 40% due to Waterfall's 20% flinch rate.

sims796 December 11th, 2007 6:23 PM

Well, of course, Taunt, but you get my point. Its a hell of a lot more reliable than Zap Cannon. He at least needs useable Sp.ATK if he's to take such a risk.

Anti December 11th, 2007 6:25 PM

I don't like it either, but it CAN work, just saying "lol it sukz!!!11!!" isn't the best way of going about...that isn't aimed at you guys, I'm just making a point ;)

Though it is frustrating to fight with for both the Gyara and forry users.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 6:47 PM

A boltbeamer starmie scare Gya a little?

Any quick edit's to my team?

Kittyipawd December 13th, 2007 4:24 PM

does anyone know how to breed fire punch into a snorlax?because it doesn't say how toon serebii!

Anti December 13th, 2007 5:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3167326)
does anyone know how to breed fire punch into a snorlax?because it doesn't say how toon serebii!

Move tutor...in emerald. But it's stupid to use it when STAB return does mroe than supereffective fire punch, and EQ deals with steels.

Kittyipawd December 13th, 2007 6:02 PM

ya but i need type coverage for snorlax so is there a 4th gen move out of it's type group that isn't dark or ground?


also what is better for snorlax a body slam or return ?

Anti December 13th, 2007 6:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3167607)
ya but i need type coverage for snorlax so is there a 4th gen move out of it's type group that isn't dark or ground?


what is better for snorlax a body slam or return

???

You're saying you want type coverage and then you're asking me for a normal move? >.>

Best coverage is crunch and EQ. There aren't really any other good substitutes, except for fire blast for skarm, which was occasionally ran in ADV.

Kittyipawd December 13th, 2007 6:12 PM

no because I intend to have a snorlax with body slam but if return is better then i will put it instead

also i've put this team on another forum and they say i've putten way to much hp ev's into starmie?

Anti December 13th, 2007 6:13 PM

Well, your team is totally murdered by Tyranitar so you need EQ for sure. EQ and a normal move...not the best combo. Bronzong, Skarm and the likes give you trouble. But the worst thing is gengar...ouch...

Faceless* December 13th, 2007 6:14 PM

Wow... hahaha Zap Cannon? I can't believe even the move itself was brought up, good luck with 50% accuracy =P

Anyways, Forretress can set up almost anything you'd like, it's REALLY versatile.

Kittyipawd December 13th, 2007 6:26 PM

How is gengar my worst enemy seeing as I have Porygon-Z to take care of him with his normalness and dark pulse?

Gengar can't touch him but I will put EQ because it's competitive even though I have EQ on Forretress and ice beam on Starmie.

Anti December 13th, 2007 6:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3167731)
How is gengar my worst enemy seeing as I have Porygon-Z to take care of him with his normalness and dark pulse?

Focus blast says hi.

Gengar can't touch him but I will put EQ because it's competitive even though I have EQ on Forretress and ice beam on Starmie.

Really, I can't make sense of a word you're saying :/ It's inspiring me NOT to help.

Pory Z gets pummeled by specs focus blast and now your sweeper is nearly dead...


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