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Sora_8920 December 10th, 2007 4:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3160128)
True but i never used gryados ever so what is he like a special sweeper ,pyshcial

also who would cover more my new none spinner starmie (replaced by a future fortresses) or a good gryados?

God your posts are really hard to understand. Anyways, you have like 3 Special Sweepers.. I would suggest getting rid of some..

Kittyipawd December 10th, 2007 4:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3160134)
God your posts are really hard to understand. Anyways, you have like 3 Special Sweepers.. I would suggest getting rid of some..

sorry about that but i just wanted to know what could cover more a special sweeper gryados or my current starmie (my new spinner will be my fortetress )

also do you now what i could fill up for my other 2 moves of swellow seeing as he will be my physical sweeper seeing as facade with him will have a giant base power

Sora_8920 December 10th, 2007 4:23 PM

Eh? Since everyone is telling me not to copy from Smogon, I'll take a guess.. Roost ; U-Turn. Brave Bird is another option for AA, and perhaps Focus Sash for the item, but Toxic Orb really helps to take adventage of Guts..

Kittyipawd December 10th, 2007 4:25 PM

ya my friend told me to put like a flame orb but that would cut my attack in half so no...I guess i will use u-turn for emergeny's but i want something out of it's type group to cover more groups

ChrisG14 December 10th, 2007 4:41 PM

The hell? Swellow's too fragile to Roost, I suggest U-Turn and Brave Bird with Protect and Facade /w Toxic or Flame Orb. And Burn doesn't negate Guts, if I'm not mistaken. But if you don't want Brave Bird, try Steel Wing. With Guts activated, it can do some serious damage to TTar.

ultranerd57 December 10th, 2007 4:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3160163)
ya my friend told me to put like a flame orb but that would cut my attack in half so no...I guess i will use u-turn for emergeny's but i want something out of it's type group to cover more groups

Actual with guts it strenghtens with flame orb plus facade is one big dent in your opponent.

Syaoran December 10th, 2007 4:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisG14 (Post 3160221)
The hell? Swellow's too fragile to Roost, I suggest U-Turn and Brave Bird with Protect and Facade /w Toxic or Flame Orb. And Burn doesn't negate Guts, if I'm not mistaken. But if you don't want Brave Bird, try Steel Wing. With Guts activated, it can do some serious damage to TTar.

U-turn will be doing the same damage as Steel Wing, only that it has 100% accuracy.

And for the thread starter: what is the point in changing your entire team now? you actually had something going for you with the first team but now you're just raising random ideas.

Anti December 10th, 2007 5:02 PM

TDB Leader, it would be oh so helpful to make your posts more legible ^_^ Thanks.

But as it's been pointed out, this team can't take hits to save its life. First, you have to focus on /THE/ powerhouse attackers, usually choice users and stat boosters. This, of course, requires the help of walling. Skarmory and blissey are obvious wall choices, let's see some others:

Physical Walls
Skarmory
Forretress
Metagross (yes, it can wall)
Steelix
Donphan
Gliscor
Weezing

Special Walls
Blissey
Snorlax
Regice
Hypno
Articuno

Mixed Walls
Dusknoir
Bronzong
Cressi
Suicune (I guess)
Claydol
Milotic

etc. etc.

Those were off the top of my head, I forgot some, so yeah. So anyways, looking at your current team, I see WAY too many special sweepers. If any of your walls can spin, replace starmie (or pory Z and run choice specs starmie). Otherwise, I'd replace Pory Z.

Anyways, the very special attackers you use gobble your team up. Get a reliable special wall. I wouldn't recommend regice or articuno since you have a lot of boltbeamers already. Maybe snorlax would be of benefit, but I'd give it crunch to deal with azelf and gengar.

As for the physical side of things, there are far more choices. I recommend skarmory for this team. And actually, all of your swepers hit very hard, but they often fail to OHKO. I'd consider putting dugtrio over togekiss or one of the other special sweepers and put in dugtrio. ESPECIALLY if you use skarmory or Forretress, as they fear Magneton. But magneton fears dugtrio, lol

Kittyipawd December 10th, 2007 5:02 PM

i just want to no who will be bait for electrivire and evryone confuses me all i know is lucario is a no-no for what i was trying to doMain special sweeper:electrivrePesky thing to atrract elctric attacks and do some damage and relief spikes:Starmiedenfence wall and also reliefs spikes: Fortetresspyhsical sweeper:swellowBaton passer :togekissand i need a special defense guy that would be good for this team and yes ive been very confused but i dont think my team covered that good and evryone said i couldn't take a hit

xxspeedy101 December 10th, 2007 5:03 PM

well seeing as how most of this team you got off of me i can't help you much but the starmie is good, but i still don't see it as a threat no matter how many times i see it.

Anti December 10th, 2007 5:10 PM

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Originally Posted by xxspeedy101 (Post 3160294)
well seeing as how most of this team you got off of me i can't help you much but the starmie is good, but i still don't see it as a threat no matter how many times i see it.

???

And Mr. Thread Starter, I would respond to your post, but I literally am having trouble reading it :0 Please use end punctuation to avoid all the confusion...I would stay on topic but I can't read the topic :0

xxspeedy101 December 10th, 2007 5:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3160323)
???

And Mr. Thread Starter, I would respond to your post, but I literally am having trouble reading it :0 Please use end punctuation to avoid all the confusion...I would stay on topic but I can't read the topic :0

were good friends, i help'd him bulid his team (and by help i mean he took)

Anti December 10th, 2007 5:21 PM

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Originally Posted by xxspeedy101 (Post 3160358)
were good friends, i help'd him bulid his team (and by help i mean he took)

Well no offense, but it wasn't a very good one...

But we can't really help any further until we here from the thread starter.

xxspeedy101 December 10th, 2007 5:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3160374)
Well no offense, but it wasn't a very good one...

But we can't really help any further until we here from the thread starter.

no offense taken, he messed up the moves in my opinion and he took half of my team and half of another of my teams so it's no exactly like my "on hand" team

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by xxspeedy101 (Post 3160416)
no offense taken, he messed up the moves in my opinion and he took half of my team and half of another of my teams so it's no exactly like my "on hand" team


you lie but im sorry it's just my grammer sucks but i want a riable team that covers a lot and stamrie (bolt beamer) but im confused about pyhsical sweeper

also to the person that put those walls thank you but somone i can't think of a defensive moveset for a fortetress.

and yes i want to take my original team down because it really can't take a hit.

Anti December 11th, 2007 12:36 PM

Forretress @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 60 Atk / 196 Def
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin

;)

Sora_8920 December 11th, 2007 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3161887)
you lie but im sorry it's just my grammer sucks but i want a riable team that covers a lot and stamrie (bolt beamer) but im confused about pyhsical sweeper

also to the person that put those walls thank you but somone i can't think of a defensive moveset for a fortetress.

and yes i want to take my original team down because it really can't take a hit.

You could use a Word Processor, and Copy the Text you want.

luke December 11th, 2007 12:48 PM

OK OK! Let's review this thread so far:

xxxspeedy - Sorry he took your team. However, that gives you no right to spam this thread. Stop it.

Anti- Good job holding your tongue. I'm proud you're learning.

Itachi- It's okay if you post from Smogon. Honestly it is. Just explain the strategy behind the move set.

ultranerd- Yes, you're correct the Guts negates the Attack drop of a Burn. It's the preferred item on Guts users if you choose to take that route.

flamehaze- No need to critique everyone else's rating style. Just rate and move on.

Chrisg- I would definitely go with U-Turn over Steel Wing. Provides Swellow with an easy escape route and provides some coverage for Swellow.

TDB_Leader- Please improve your grammar and use a proper format for your team. I honestly can't give you a good rate with the condition it's in now. However, from what I've gotten from everybody else's posts, I can advise you that a team with many sweepers IS workable. But only in the hands of an experienced player. I don't know what your skill level is, but if you feel you're not as experienced as you'd like to be, please insert some walls into your team.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 12:56 PM

Man I most look like a noob but that doesn’t matter

Moderator I didn’t exactly steal Speedy’s team because he made recommendations for lacario, and samelance since they are used a lot and yes I am not really experienced but im not that bad.

May I ask why to put spikes on fortetress if I have no one on my team with roar, or whirlwind?

luke December 11th, 2007 12:58 PM

It will still hurt when your opponent switches Pokemon. It doesn't have to be used in tandem with Roar. I don't care if you took his team or not. None of my concern. I was just concerned with the spam he was littering in your thread.

Anti December 11th, 2007 1:00 PM

PHazer support is nice, but not necessary to use spikes well. Though you really should run a PHYazer on this team anyways.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 1:08 PM


Well I have one more spot on Swellow’s moveset so can it learn whirlwind?
Also why should I put a flame orb even if Guts does negate the burn I am perfectly ok with the poison.



Anti December 11th, 2007 1:12 PM

does it really matter? I think the posion gets worse (not sure though), so burn would be better probably...

And whirlwind should only be used on pokemon that can take hits, like suicune.

Dark Azelf December 11th, 2007 1:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3161968)
Well I have one more spot on swellow's moveset so can it learn whirlwind?
Also why should I put a flame orb even if Guts does negate the burn I am perfectly ok with the poison.

Burn does more at the beginning , however poison builds up more and will do more damage in the long run, so id stick with burn.

Its too fragile for whirlwind, put in protect to activate the Burn orb.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 1:15 PM

Oh ok I guess for long run I will put Flame orb but can Swellow learn anything that is not normal or flying that isn’t steel wing?


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