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GeneralGuy December 11th, 2007 2:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3162237)
I just meant that it will be there to scout and if it really can't handle things it will use U-turn and I will switch to a pokemon that can counter it i just need to check if i can cover all 17 types

You can't counter every type because Swellow's move capabilities are limited.

Sora_8920 December 11th, 2007 2:55 PM

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Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3162277)
Mmmmmm...a Forretress with Zap Cannon? IMO, not gonna work.

Oh. Really? IMO. Maybe some facts? And flameheze knows what he's talking about, so he'll probably give his reasoning.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 2:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3162283)
You can't counter every type because Swellow's move capabilities are limited.

Yeah I know that but a whole individual team should that's why U-turn is there to make pacth up swellow greatest weakness (a limited moveset)

You thought i meant swellow that would be really dumb

Arcknight316 December 11th, 2007 3:01 PM

Yeah, I know, flamehaze knows all. But Forry has really....uh....low SATK. And Zap Cannon has bad accuracy. I'd run Rock Slide instead.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 3:33 PM

Well I think I cover all types except the physhic and ghost types so i will teach snorlax crunch (thats not including dark pulse on porygon-Z).
EDIT~Instead i will put fire punch seeing as i dont' cover ice.

Um i think i would go with gyro ball (flamehaze could you give me reasoning to the zap cannon?) and i also cover flying types very nicley due to ice beams and thunderbolt

Anti December 11th, 2007 5:43 PM

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Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3162277)
Mmmmmm...a Forretress with Zap Cannon? IMO, not gonna work.

The term "Gyarados Counter" comes to mind. Let's not jump to suck conclusions next time :/

Though flmaehaze, Gyro ball isn't awful either you know. It has saved me countless times (though we can blame that on the metagame but I won't go there lol).

Syaoran December 11th, 2007 5:50 PM

Dont forget the dreaded Explosion that puts an end to a lot of problems, like Gyarados.

Anti December 11th, 2007 5:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Syaoran (Post 3162894)
Dont forget the dreaded Explosion that puts an end to a lot of problems, like Gyarados.

I'm not crazy about blowing up my wall, except for the rare steelix of the CB variant or when I have decent enough backup walling.

Which when you come to think of it, explosion would help if you had something like donphan to back it up.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 5:54 PM

should I keep gyro ball also can people now rate my team since it's going to it's finishing stages now? I think I have good team coverage and Gyarados is not a problem with all the ice beams i have.

lanturn 550 December 11th, 2007 6:12 PM

I personly think that togekiss is a bit..... under offensive... anyways i chose my superteam by weakness, movestes and strategies (e.g. my electric impervious lanturn with blizzard or heracross with shadow claw.)

sims796 December 11th, 2007 6:13 PM

I don't care what people say. I think Zap Cannon Forry sucks like holy hell. Gya's Sp.Def is quite high compared to Forry's hard to look at Sp.ATK. I must flip a coin to HOPE it hits, & it won't OHKO Gya. Plus, If Gya came ino Forry, the opponent will most likely switch-Forry walls Gya pretty well. Not for paralysis, get someone who can use 100% T-Wave if you want it so bad. You'll need some hard core evidence to convince me otherwise.

EDIT:Plus. Ice Beam doesn't scare Gya in the least. Ice Punch is good on Vire, but still, Grass is better. But its so difficult to get.

Anti December 11th, 2007 6:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lanturn 550 (Post 3162990)
I personly think that togekiss is a bit..... under offensive... anyways i chose my superteam by weakness, movestes and strategies (e.g. my electric impervious lanturn with blizzard or heracross with shadow claw.)

Not to bust your bubble but that made no sense at all. and blizzard is bad unless it has hail support, and most hail teams are gimmicks anyways.

Syaoran December 11th, 2007 6:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3162996)
Not for paralysis, get someone who can use 100% T-Wave if you want it so bad. You'll need some hard core evidence to convince me otherwise.

But Thunder Wave gets taunted. Although I agree that Zap Cannon is crap. 50% becomes 40% due to Waterfall's 20% flinch rate.

sims796 December 11th, 2007 6:23 PM

Well, of course, Taunt, but you get my point. Its a hell of a lot more reliable than Zap Cannon. He at least needs useable Sp.ATK if he's to take such a risk.

Anti December 11th, 2007 6:25 PM

I don't like it either, but it CAN work, just saying "lol it sukz!!!11!!" isn't the best way of going about...that isn't aimed at you guys, I'm just making a point ;)

Though it is frustrating to fight with for both the Gyara and forry users.

Kittyipawd December 11th, 2007 6:47 PM

A boltbeamer starmie scare Gya a little?

Any quick edit's to my team?

Kittyipawd December 13th, 2007 4:24 PM

does anyone know how to breed fire punch into a snorlax?because it doesn't say how toon serebii!

Anti December 13th, 2007 5:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3167326)
does anyone know how to breed fire punch into a snorlax?because it doesn't say how toon serebii!

Move tutor...in emerald. But it's stupid to use it when STAB return does mroe than supereffective fire punch, and EQ deals with steels.

Kittyipawd December 13th, 2007 6:02 PM

ya but i need type coverage for snorlax so is there a 4th gen move out of it's type group that isn't dark or ground?


also what is better for snorlax a body slam or return ?

Anti December 13th, 2007 6:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3167607)
ya but i need type coverage for snorlax so is there a 4th gen move out of it's type group that isn't dark or ground?


what is better for snorlax a body slam or return

???

You're saying you want type coverage and then you're asking me for a normal move? >.>

Best coverage is crunch and EQ. There aren't really any other good substitutes, except for fire blast for skarm, which was occasionally ran in ADV.

Kittyipawd December 13th, 2007 6:12 PM

no because I intend to have a snorlax with body slam but if return is better then i will put it instead

also i've put this team on another forum and they say i've putten way to much hp ev's into starmie?

Anti December 13th, 2007 6:13 PM

Well, your team is totally murdered by Tyranitar so you need EQ for sure. EQ and a normal move...not the best combo. Bronzong, Skarm and the likes give you trouble. But the worst thing is gengar...ouch...

Faceless* December 13th, 2007 6:14 PM

Wow... hahaha Zap Cannon? I can't believe even the move itself was brought up, good luck with 50% accuracy =P

Anyways, Forretress can set up almost anything you'd like, it's REALLY versatile.

Kittyipawd December 13th, 2007 6:26 PM

How is gengar my worst enemy seeing as I have Porygon-Z to take care of him with his normalness and dark pulse?

Gengar can't touch him but I will put EQ because it's competitive even though I have EQ on Forretress and ice beam on Starmie.

Anti December 13th, 2007 6:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3167731)
How is gengar my worst enemy seeing as I have Porygon-Z to take care of him with his normalness and dark pulse?

Focus blast says hi.

Gengar can't touch him but I will put EQ because it's competitive even though I have EQ on Forretress and ice beam on Starmie.

Really, I can't make sense of a word you're saying :/ It's inspiring me NOT to help.

Pory Z gets pummeled by specs focus blast and now your sweeper is nearly dead...


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