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Piplup Master December 10th, 2007 5:03 PM

Perfect Team (I think)
 
Empoleon Left Overs
Ice Beam
Surf
Grass Knot
Stealth Rock

Galade Choice Band
Close Combat
Psycho Cut
Ice Punch
Psychic

Staraptor
U-Turn
Fly
Close Combat
Ariel Ace

Garchomp Life Orb
Fire Fang
Earthquake
Dragon Rush
Swords Dance


Torterra Choice Band
Wood Hammer
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Crunch

Duskinoir
Thunder Puch
Shadow Ball
Will-O-Wisp
Pain Split

Towlie December 10th, 2007 5:06 PM

It's perfect, but you need a lot of help? That kind of contradicts itself. But for starters, I'd include the EV spreads and natures.

Anti December 10th, 2007 5:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piplup Master (Post 3160292)
Empoleon Left Overs
Ice Beam
Surf
Grass Knot
Stealth Rock

Fine.

Galade Choice Band
Close Combat
Psycho Cut
Ice Punch
Leaf Blade / Stone Edge

Wha? What was psychic there for? O_o

Staraptor
U-Turn
Return / Double-Edge
Close Combat
Brave bird

I recollect telling you fly sucks. Same goes here.


Garchomp Life Orb
Fire Fang
Earthquake
Dragon claw
Swords Dance

Claw for accuracy over power.

Torterra @ Leftovers
Wood Hammer
Earthquake
Curse
Synthesis or soime healing move / SR

You're CBing the only thing that can take physical hits for you?

Duskinoir
Thunder Puch
Shadow Sneak
Will-O-Wisp
Pain Split

Fine.


Thanks I really need alot of help

Provide us with more information please, and you only need one thread, seriously. But I see trouble with heracross a-brewin'. Replace Gallade or torterra for a reliable physical wall and heracross counter-gliscor fits well into this team.

EDIT: Towlie, how dareth thee point out it contradicts intself? That's my job! lol jk

ultranerd57 December 10th, 2007 5:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piplup Master (Post 3160292)
Empoleon [life orb]
Modest
[EVs: 72hp/ 184spd/ 252spatk]
Ice Beam
Surf
Grass Knot
[Agility]

Galade Choice Band
[Adamant]
[EVs: 252atk/ 252spd/ 6hp]
Close Combat
Psycho Cut
[Thunder punch
[Stone edge]

[No psychic especially if you have psycho cut]

Staraptor [@ expert belt]
[EVs: 252atk/ 252spd/ 6hp]
U-Turn
[Brave bird]
Close Combat
[ Return]

[Cant remember fourth move]

Garchomp[@] Life Orb
Fire Fang
Earthquake
Dragon Rush
Swords Dance

[ Good]

Torterra [@ lefties]
[EVs: 252hp/ 172spdef/ 86def]
Relaxed
Wood Hammer
Earthquake
[Stealth rock]
Crunch

Duskinoir [@ lefties]
[Fire punch]
[Shadow Sneak]
Will-O-Wisp
Pain Split

[ Cant remember EVs or nature]


Thanks I really need alot of help

You could've edited your last thread but ok. Changes in tge [ ].

Anti December 10th, 2007 5:22 PM

Why are you editing agility in on empoleon? It's his special wall, not special sweeper :/

ultranerd57 December 10th, 2007 5:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3160376)
Why are you editing agility in on empoleon? It's his special wall, not special sweeper :/

Oh whoops its the only Empoleon I could think of.

Anti December 10th, 2007 5:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3160386)
Oh whoops its the only Empoleon I could think of.

Well there are more (and better) sets than agilipoleon ;/

Anyways, the ice beam weak is horrific. Choice scarf or specs Pory Z takes out empoleon and then sweeps your team. Not cool. :(

Sora_8920 December 10th, 2007 5:28 PM

I'm counting Garchomp ; Gallade ; and Staraptor as Physcial Sweepers.. Get rid of some.. Running three of them Isn't such a good idea..

Anti December 10th, 2007 5:29 PM

Gallade is meh as a physical sweeper anyways. We have medicham for that.

Sora_8920 December 10th, 2007 5:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3160410)
Gallade is meh as a physical sweeper anyways. We have medicham for that.

Yeah. Scarfcham for the win. And Gallade's speed is a bit.. How should I put this? Icky? >3. But yeah, if you don't want to get rid of one, and just have two or one Physical Sweeper, then just replace Gallade with fellow Medicham.

Anti December 10th, 2007 5:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3160450)
Yeah. Scarfcham for the win. And Gallade's speed is a bit.. How should I put this? Icky? >3. But yeah, if you don't want to get rid of one, and just have two or one Physical Sweeper, then just replace Gallade with fellow Medicham.

That jus went against your own advice :/ Which was not to have so many physical sweepers :0

Sora_8920 December 10th, 2007 5:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3160455)
That jus went against your own advice :/ Which was not to have so many physical sweepers :0

I just saying if he really had to have three Sweepers.

Anti December 10th, 2007 5:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3160461)
I just saying if he really had to have three Sweepers.

But that contradicts itself. you had it right the first time, 3 physical sweepers is a REDUNADNCY ALERT any day unless you have 2magnezones or soemthiong, lol

But there really isn't much else to say. Though the Vire, Starmie, Hercross, Pory Z, etc. weaks are really hurting you. In fact, I'd take out both gallade AND Torterra and get a pure special wall and an all-out physical stopper to stop the bleeding. Donphan and blissey would be good :P

Sora_8920 December 10th, 2007 5:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3160482)
But that contradicts itself. you had it right the first time, 3 physical sweepers is a REDUNADNCY ALERT any day unless you have 2magnezones or soemthiong, lol

But there really isn't much else to say. Though the Vire, Starmie, Hercross, Pory Z, etc. weaks are really hurting you. In fact, I'd take out both gallade AND Torterra and get a pure special wall and an all-out physical stopper to stop the bleeding. Donphan and blissey would be good :P

Kay. Thanks. I really will remember that. *Opens Microsoft Word* But yeah, back on-topic Anti is right. And a better player then me.

Piplup Master December 11th, 2007 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3160450)
Yeah. Scarfcham for the win. And Gallade's speed is a bit.. How should I put this? Icky? >3. But yeah, if you don't want to get rid of one, and just have two or one Physical Sweeper, then just replace Gallade with fellow Medicham.


I hate Medicham!!!!! Medicham and Roselia are my most hated pokemon....Im not going to change my team around just because I have to many special sweepers

Anti December 11th, 2007 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piplup Master (Post 3161851)
I hate Medicham!!!!! Medicham and Roselia are my most hated pokemon....Im not going to change my team around just because I have to many special sweepers

It would be "too" many special sweepers :P And be open to advice, there ARE too many special sweepers. Otherwise blissey will wall the heck out of your team :/

Sora_8920 December 11th, 2007 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3161860)
It would be "too" many special swepers :P And be open to advice, there ARE too many special sweepers. Otherwise blissey will wall the heck out of your team :/

Omg. Now you're interested in Grammar? Well, I suppose it helps. @ Piplup Master, Medicham is Physical-based. Not Special. And it would help get rid of Blissey, which like the Quote says, will Wall otherwise.

luke December 11th, 2007 12:50 PM

Trust me. Being walled by Blissey is the worst feeling in the world. A successful team is a balanced team. Being walled by a certain Pokemon (e.g. Special Walls) means you're unbalanced. Thus, changes should be made so your team has a better chance of success. And with Blissey being the UTTERMOST COMMON Pokemon in the game, you're screwed with a Special-based Team. Also, I'm sensing some rudeness in your posts. Quit it. Be polite and take other's advice in stride.

GeneralGuy December 11th, 2007 1:45 PM

You have a severe Ice weakness. Two of your pokemon take x4 damage from it, and the other takes x2. No offense, but Electivire rapes this team.

flamehaze94 December 11th, 2007 2:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3162061)
You have a severe Ice weakness. Two of your pokemon take x4 damage from it, and the other takes x2. No offense, but Electivire rapes this team.


I guess that 4x Ice resist by Emploeon suffices, in that case.


And btw, Electrivire can never get past Dusknoir.



Also, Gallade>Medicham, anyday.

Sora_8920 December 11th, 2007 2:33 PM

The whole Team has to be weak to it, not just 3. IMO.

Piplup Master December 11th, 2007 3:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flamehaze94 (Post 3162205)
I guess that 4x Ice resist by Emploeon suffices, in that case.


And btw, Electrivire can never get past Dusknoir.



Also, Gallade>Medicham, anyday.


I agree...
Quote:

Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3161926)
Trust me. Being walled by Blissey is the worst feeling in the world. A successful team is a balanced team. Being walled by a certain Pokemon (e.g. Special Walls) means you're unbalanced. Thus, changes should be made so your team has a better chance of success. And with Blissey being the UTTERMOST COMMON Pokemon in the game, you're screwed with a Special-based Team. Also, I'm sensing some rudeness in your posts. Quit it. Be polite and take other's advice in stride.



Wouldn't it be post"s" not post

Wait do I need a wall or a physical sweeper, etc. Because I guess I'll change my team a lil' just not for a medicham

Kayke™ December 11th, 2007 3:40 PM

Consider Rhyperior or Slowbro as physical walls, they're both insanely good at their jobs, and are far better than Torterra. And look for a good special sweeper to take place of either Gallade or Staraptor... Porygon-Z, Alakazam, Espeon, or even the over-used-everybody-has Gengar! As Loquacity said, balance is a key element to the game, you've got to balance your team out a bit more.

GeneralGuy December 11th, 2007 3:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flamehaze94 (Post 3162205)
I guess that 4x Ice resist by Emploeon suffices, in that case.


And btw, Electrivire can never get past Dusknoir.



Also, Gallade>Medicham, anyday.

Except Thunderpunch pretty much murders Emploeon. Personally, I'd have two physical sweepers, one special sweeper, two physical walls, and one special wall.

Ooka December 11th, 2007 3:55 PM

Wow, lately I've been looking around here and almost none of the teams have Weavile counters. It's one of the most common OU Pokemon ever now, so you should really invest in a non Steel/Ghost/Flying/Dragon/Ground/Psychic/Rock.

Archer December 11th, 2007 4:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Kazaam~ (Post 3162437)
Wow, lately I've been looking around here and almost none of the teams have Weavile counters. It's one of the most common OU Pokemon ever now, so you should really invest in a non Steel/Ghost/Flying/Dragon/Ground/Psychic/Rock.

You're right. There are a lot of other things this team can't handle. It has no (p)Hazer, no Spinner, No priority Moves, Can i suggest Donphan?

Donphan @ Lefties
Impish | 220 HP / 252 Def / 36 Attack
~Earthquake
~Roar/RapidSpin-----------Phazer/Spinner
~Ice Shard----------------Priority
~Stone Edge/StealthRock

This fulfills some roles you missed and can take hits from Weavile and Vire well enough. I know they can be super effective, but they still stand no chance. Even an Adamant Weaviles Ice Punch does less than half after lefties.

Ooka December 11th, 2007 4:37 PM

Can I also suggest

[email protected]
Impish~252 HP/252 Defense
Earthquake
Slack Off
Roar/Stealth Rock
Ice Fang/Stealth Rock

Anti December 11th, 2007 6:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flamehaze94 (Post 3162205)
Also, Gallade>Medicham, anyday.

Not for choice scarfing. Gallade works nicely, but medicham just hits so much harder...it's like crack lol (as the Smogoners said about celebi long ago :0).

Anyways, somthing tells me this team has far more worries than weavile. Like specsmence and most special sweepers around...

Shiraishi December 11th, 2007 7:11 PM

Empoleon is actually one of the few really good SpecsMence counters.

Anti December 11th, 2007 7:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiraishi (Post 3163193)
Empoleon is actually one of the few really good SpecsMence counters.

I can't believe I missed that O_o lol

But looking at the rest of the special sweepers, Gengar, Pory Z, Starmie...they all shread through this team, sadly.

Piplup Master December 12th, 2007 8:31 AM

Okay who should I get rid of for who? (prefarbly a D/P poke) Should I have Blissey? Because I would be willing to get rid of gallade for blissey

So blissey or Gallade if Blissey what moves should i teach it?

Anti December 12th, 2007 12:18 PM

Well, it would be of more benefit to get rid opf empoleon if you want to implement blissey, unless you really fear special sweepers.

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk (or SDef)
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave / Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss / Ice Beam

You can take about 100 EVs or so out of HP for SAtk (if using Ice beam) to better hit msany common threats like dugtrio, gengar, and salamence harder.

Piplup Master December 12th, 2007 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3164240)
Well, it would be of more benefit to get rid opf empoleon if you want to implement blissey, unless you really fear special sweepers.

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk (or SDef)
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave / Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss / Ice Beam

You can take about 100 EVs or so out of HP for SAtk (if using Ice beam) to better hit msany common threats like dugtrio, gengar, and salamence harder.


But...But the Piplup Family are my favorite...

Anti December 12th, 2007 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piplup Master (Post 3164294)
But...But the Piplup Family are my favorite...

Then don't use blissey. Just a mixed wall for some support would be nice, preferably something that can take electric hits, like claydol.

Shiraishi December 12th, 2007 1:02 PM

CS-Skarmory made me laugh realleh hard , Anti. o.0 If you're using Empoleon, I REALLY recommend Spiritomb. 'Poleon does not llike to eat Focus blasts, and Spirtomb takes out the pokes most likely firing them(Alakazam, Gengar..)

Sora_8920 December 12th, 2007 1:04 PM

It made go "When did he have that, and WTF?" 0_o. And yeah, Shiraishi is right.

Piplup Master December 12th, 2007 5:03 PM

I had Spirtomb but I replaced him with Duskinoir

Sora_8920 December 12th, 2007 5:05 PM

That's a good choice. I dont what, but you now you need a Special Wall. Replace something with one. A quick example of a Special Wall would be Milotic.

Shiraishi December 12th, 2007 5:15 PM

Empoleon is a special wall :/ I'm actually gonna try out the sleeptalk set with it.

Sora_8920 December 12th, 2007 5:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiraishi (Post 3165048)
Empoleon is a special wall :/ I'm actually gonna try out the sleeptalk set with it.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. x.x

Anti December 12th, 2007 6:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3165003)
That's a good choice. I dont what, but you now you need a Special Wall. Replace something with one. A quick example of a Special Wall would be Milotic.

Empoleon...dusknoir...and you know as well as I do that mirror coat milo is the only one designed to really take special hits ;)

EDIT: and it's obsolete now :(

Piplup Master December 13th, 2007 12:13 PM

Well at Serebii they seem to like my team so...

sims796 December 13th, 2007 1:02 PM

So go on Serebii, then. Over here, there are different opinions.

Sora_8920 December 13th, 2007 1:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3166804)
So go on Serebii, then. Over here, there are different opinions.

He said it perfect. Not everyone has the same opinion about your Team. :/

Piplup Master December 13th, 2007 3:51 PM

I know but Im gonna go with the one that likes my team :p

GeneralGuy December 13th, 2007 3:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piplup Master (Post 3167262)
I know but Im gonna go with the one that likes my team :p

Then Serebii obviously has god-awful RMTers.

airconditioning December 13th, 2007 4:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piplup Master (Post 3167262)
I know but Im gonna go with the one that likes my team :p

Fine then. Don't expect to win many battles, though. ;P

Piplup Master December 13th, 2007 5:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3167274)
Then Serebii obviously has god-awful RMTers.

*sniff* That hurt on the inside *sniff*

Shiraishi December 13th, 2007 5:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3167274)
Then Serebii obviously has god-awful RMTers.

They do. I remember once they called someone's team "girly" because it had Facade-Clefable I think. That made me leave forever. On topic:Torterra's def isn't high enough to be a physical wall, stick one in. EDIT: Since you didn't put EVs, I can't tell whether Dusknoir is your physical wall or not. :/

El Gofre December 14th, 2007 10:43 AM

Ok, so after hordes of helpful criticisms you're gonna keep it just cuz they like it over at serebii? Wow you obviously aren't too interested in winning :S


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