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Archer December 11th, 2007 4:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Kazaam~ (Post 3162437)
Wow, lately I've been looking around here and almost none of the teams have Weavile counters. It's one of the most common OU Pokemon ever now, so you should really invest in a non Steel/Ghost/Flying/Dragon/Ground/Psychic/Rock.

You're right. There are a lot of other things this team can't handle. It has no (p)Hazer, no Spinner, No priority Moves, Can i suggest Donphan?

Donphan @ Lefties
Impish | 220 HP / 252 Def / 36 Attack
~Earthquake
~Roar/RapidSpin-----------Phazer/Spinner
~Ice Shard----------------Priority
~Stone Edge/StealthRock

This fulfills some roles you missed and can take hits from Weavile and Vire well enough. I know they can be super effective, but they still stand no chance. Even an Adamant Weaviles Ice Punch does less than half after lefties.

Ooka December 11th, 2007 4:37 PM

Can I also suggest

[email protected]
Impish~252 HP/252 Defense
Earthquake
Slack Off
Roar/Stealth Rock
Ice Fang/Stealth Rock

Anti December 11th, 2007 6:10 PM

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Originally Posted by flamehaze94 (Post 3162205)
Also, Gallade>Medicham, anyday.

Not for choice scarfing. Gallade works nicely, but medicham just hits so much harder...it's like crack lol (as the Smogoners said about celebi long ago :0).

Anyways, somthing tells me this team has far more worries than weavile. Like specsmence and most special sweepers around...

Shiraishi December 11th, 2007 7:11 PM

Empoleon is actually one of the few really good SpecsMence counters.

Anti December 11th, 2007 7:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiraishi (Post 3163193)
Empoleon is actually one of the few really good SpecsMence counters.

I can't believe I missed that O_o lol

But looking at the rest of the special sweepers, Gengar, Pory Z, Starmie...they all shread through this team, sadly.

Piplup Master December 12th, 2007 8:31 AM

Okay who should I get rid of for who? (prefarbly a D/P poke) Should I have Blissey? Because I would be willing to get rid of gallade for blissey

So blissey or Gallade if Blissey what moves should i teach it?

Anti December 12th, 2007 12:18 PM

Well, it would be of more benefit to get rid opf empoleon if you want to implement blissey, unless you really fear special sweepers.

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk (or SDef)
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave / Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss / Ice Beam

You can take about 100 EVs or so out of HP for SAtk (if using Ice beam) to better hit msany common threats like dugtrio, gengar, and salamence harder.

Piplup Master December 12th, 2007 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3164240)
Well, it would be of more benefit to get rid opf empoleon if you want to implement blissey, unless you really fear special sweepers.

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk (or SDef)
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave / Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss / Ice Beam

You can take about 100 EVs or so out of HP for SAtk (if using Ice beam) to better hit msany common threats like dugtrio, gengar, and salamence harder.


But...But the Piplup Family are my favorite...

Anti December 12th, 2007 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piplup Master (Post 3164294)
But...But the Piplup Family are my favorite...

Then don't use blissey. Just a mixed wall for some support would be nice, preferably something that can take electric hits, like claydol.

Shiraishi December 12th, 2007 1:02 PM

CS-Skarmory made me laugh realleh hard , Anti. o.0 If you're using Empoleon, I REALLY recommend Spiritomb. 'Poleon does not llike to eat Focus blasts, and Spirtomb takes out the pokes most likely firing them(Alakazam, Gengar..)

Sora_8920 December 12th, 2007 1:04 PM

It made go "When did he have that, and WTF?" 0_o. And yeah, Shiraishi is right.

Piplup Master December 12th, 2007 5:03 PM

I had Spirtomb but I replaced him with Duskinoir

Sora_8920 December 12th, 2007 5:05 PM

That's a good choice. I dont what, but you now you need a Special Wall. Replace something with one. A quick example of a Special Wall would be Milotic.

Shiraishi December 12th, 2007 5:15 PM

Empoleon is a special wall :/ I'm actually gonna try out the sleeptalk set with it.

Sora_8920 December 12th, 2007 5:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiraishi (Post 3165048)
Empoleon is a special wall :/ I'm actually gonna try out the sleeptalk set with it.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. x.x

Anti December 12th, 2007 6:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3165003)
That's a good choice. I dont what, but you now you need a Special Wall. Replace something with one. A quick example of a Special Wall would be Milotic.

Empoleon...dusknoir...and you know as well as I do that mirror coat milo is the only one designed to really take special hits ;)

EDIT: and it's obsolete now :(

Piplup Master December 13th, 2007 12:13 PM

Well at Serebii they seem to like my team so...

sims796 December 13th, 2007 1:02 PM

So go on Serebii, then. Over here, there are different opinions.

Sora_8920 December 13th, 2007 1:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3166804)
So go on Serebii, then. Over here, there are different opinions.

He said it perfect. Not everyone has the same opinion about your Team. :/

Piplup Master December 13th, 2007 3:51 PM

I know but Im gonna go with the one that likes my team :p

GeneralGuy December 13th, 2007 3:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piplup Master (Post 3167262)
I know but Im gonna go with the one that likes my team :p

Then Serebii obviously has god-awful RMTers.

airconditioning December 13th, 2007 4:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piplup Master (Post 3167262)
I know but Im gonna go with the one that likes my team :p

Fine then. Don't expect to win many battles, though. ;P

Piplup Master December 13th, 2007 5:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3167274)
Then Serebii obviously has god-awful RMTers.

*sniff* That hurt on the inside *sniff*

Shiraishi December 13th, 2007 5:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3167274)
Then Serebii obviously has god-awful RMTers.

They do. I remember once they called someone's team "girly" because it had Facade-Clefable I think. That made me leave forever. On topic:Torterra's def isn't high enough to be a physical wall, stick one in. EDIT: Since you didn't put EVs, I can't tell whether Dusknoir is your physical wall or not. :/

El Gofre December 14th, 2007 10:43 AM

Ok, so after hordes of helpful criticisms you're gonna keep it just cuz they like it over at serebii? Wow you obviously aren't too interested in winning :S


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