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.Aero December 11th, 2007 4:28 PM

Weavile Counter
 
After facing Weaviles, I get very annoyed at how cheep they seem to be, so I'm trying to create a counter for Weaviles. I'm going to post my idea and let other people suggest ideas and we can all work together to create the best Weavile Counter. (If this does well, I might just make a thread for specific pokemon counters)

My first candidate for a Weavile counter is Aerodactyl. The reason is his speed is the only one higher than Weavile's with a super effective type, Rock. He can counter the fighting type Brick Break of most competitive Weavile's with his Flying type, but this opens up an Ice type weakness. (but I have that covered with another move, hopefully he'll land it before the Weavile does and Ice Punch)

Hippowdon@Leftovers
Impish~252 HP/Defense
Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Ice Fang
Slack Off

Azumarill@Leftovers
Adamant~252 Attack/HP
Aqua Jet
Waterfall
Brick Break
Double Edge

Forretress@Leftovers
Relaxed~252 Defense/Attack
Rapid Spin/Stealth Rock
Earthquake/Spikes
Explosion
Gyro Ball

Yanmega@Focus Sash
Timid/Modes~252 Speed/Special Attack~Speed Boost
-Bug Buzz
-Air Slash
-Protect/Giga Drain/Shadow Ball/Ancientpower
-Protect/Giga Drain/Shadow Ball/Ancientpower

Hitmontop@Leftovers
Adamant~252 HP/74 Attack/184 Speed
Bulk Up
Mach Punch
Stone Edge
Rapid Spin/Close Combat

Infernape@Focus Sash
Hasty/Naive~???
Close Combat/Mach Punch
Flamethrower/Fire Blast
Stone Edge
Grass Knot/Thunderpunch



Just tell me what you think, comment, umm edit.



~desu Saba~

GeneralGuy December 11th, 2007 4:29 PM

Aerodactyl is not a Weaville counter.

EDIT: Well, actually he could be a counter since he's faster than Weaville.

.Aero December 11th, 2007 4:31 PM

XD Figures, I'm not that great, I was just searching for a faster pokemon. And don't just say "It's not good" explain why.

EDIT: @ EDIT: Thus the reason I chose it.

~desu Saba~

Shiny December 11th, 2007 4:32 PM

What makes you say that GeneralGuy?

GeneralGuy December 11th, 2007 4:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabaku no Gaara (Post 3162528)
XD Figures, I'm not that great, I was just searching for a faster pokemon. And don't just say "It's not good" explain why.

~desu Saba~

Aerodactyl can be a Weaville counter, and your set works perfectly. No Focus Sash though because of Fake Out.

Sora_8920 December 11th, 2007 4:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3162524)
Aerodactyl is not a Weaville counter.

Agreed. Most steel Types can be a Counter for Weavile, though. Fortress.. Mach Punch Breloom and Choice scarf Heracross say hi!

Skaterzpenguin December 11th, 2007 4:34 PM

It doesn't matter if its fast or not, but no offence weaviles are easy to defeat... Make sure you have a fighting, fire, or bug pokemon on your team to defeat weaviles. lol ;)

Ooka December 11th, 2007 4:35 PM

Well, my Hippowdon kills all the Weaviles that I come across. Although Azumarill is an amazing counter as well. Their movesets are:

[email protected]
Impish~252 HP/Defense
Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Ice Fang
Slack Off

[email protected]
Adamant~252 Attack/HP
Aqua Jet
Waterfall
Brick Break
Double Edge

.Aero December 11th, 2007 4:35 PM

Wow, lots of attention to this thread in the first 3 mintues. I guess a lot of people hate facing Weaviles. XD

Ok, but I'm confused how Mach Punch breloom can do that to Aero. High defense plus it's not super effective.

~desu Saba~

GeneralGuy December 11th, 2007 4:36 PM

Mach Punch is the greatest counter-attack against Weaville. Not only does it strike first, but deals x4 damage because of the Dark/Ice typing.

Sora_8920 December 11th, 2007 4:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabaku no Gaara (Post 3162551)
Wow, lots of attention to this thread in the first 3 mintues. I guess a lot of people hate facing Weaviles. XD

Ok, but I'm confused how Mach Punch breloom can do that to Aero. High defense plus it's not super effective.

~desu Saba~

That's because I was talking about Weavile. IMO.

.Aero December 11th, 2007 4:38 PM

Oh, I get it now. Yeah, my friend was suggesting Mach Punch. I'm trying to get as many ideas though. So we can have more than one pokemon as a Weavile Counter. I could add all the details to the first post. In the meantime, we need a movelist made for Heracross and Breloom. I could work on one once I get Hippowdon and Azumarril into the first post.

Wouldn't Hippowdon be OHKO'd by an Ice Punch from one? Or is it's defense really high?

EDIT: I have created a Breloom set, mess with it cuz it probably isn't too good. (It's in first post.)

~desu Saba~

Ooka December 11th, 2007 4:38 PM

Did you read my post? (filler filler filler)



Nope, Ice Punch doesn't even 2HKO a Hippowdon unless it has in a Swords Dance.

Shiny December 11th, 2007 4:38 PM

Grats Sabaku looks like you will be making the other thread lmao

GeneralGuy December 11th, 2007 4:42 PM

Magmortar w/ Mach Punch works.

Syaoran December 11th, 2007 4:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Kazaam~ (Post 3162548)
Well, my Hippowdon kills all the Weaviles that I come across. Although Azumarill is an amazing counter as well. Their movesets are:

[email protected]
Impish~252 HP/Defense
Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Ice Fang
Slack Off


Since most Weavile are Choice Banded or Life Orb'd, Hippowdon isn't surviving 2 Ice Punches. And you're asking to get yourself critical hit if you keep slacking off.

A counter isn't something that gets hit super effective from what it's trying to counter. Ice Shard says "sup" to Aerodactyl. So basically, steels are your best bet, Forretress being the best one, killing Weavile with Gyro Ball. Bronzong takes neutral damage from Night Slash and doesn't like the high critical hit rate.

GeneralGuy December 11th, 2007 4:44 PM

I should start a thread on how to counter FEAR.

Kayke™ December 11th, 2007 4:45 PM

My Rhyperior eats Weavile alive. Like Hippowdon, it usually takes 3 un-swords danced ice punches to bring him to his knees. Hell, mine's adamant too. I bet Impish-perior could take four IC's/BB's from Weavile, and his abilitity is one of the best IMO.

GeneralGuy December 11th, 2007 4:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pride Reaper (Post 3162612)
My Rhyperior eats Weavile alive. Like Hippowdon, it usually takes 3 un-swords danced ice punches to bring him to his knees. Hell, mine's adamant too. I bet Impish-perior could take four IC's/BB's from Weavile, and his abilitity is one of the best IMO.

Relaxed Rhyperior w/ Solid Rock+Leftovers can take so many physical hits, it's absolutely amazing.

ABYAY December 11th, 2007 4:49 PM

Well, after having a match with Kazaam, he has some anti-weavile stuff. That Hippowdon... 2 Ice Punches only half shotted it, even though I was intimdated... dang.

That Azumarill set is also rather effective. However, after having a Weavile for so long, I've seen most of what I need to see. I've been through three Weaviles until I stuck with my current one, 25 Ninjas. You'll notice Andy has a 20 Ninjas... that was my old one.

The best counter to Weavile is Mach Punch without doubt. However, Sandstorm just ruins Focus Sash, hence why my Weavile's ineffective against Sandstorm teams. It even has a lot of trouble with T-Wave Blisseys unless I've Swords Danced previously. However, not even that helps because it just barely hangs in with a little life.

Your first opinon on Aerodactyl is also nice.

[email protected] Band (first non-hax item to mind)
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 speed/252 attack/6 HP

Rock Slide
Earthquake
Ice Fang
??? (a move of your choice)

Rock Slide has a chance to flinch and is your STAB, so 2 for 1. Basically, Aerodactyl is an anti-sweeper, but isn't so good against more stable pokemon. I might raise one myself sometime.

J-Rad December 11th, 2007 4:51 PM

well breloom can't switch-in on weavile as Areial ace destroys it, and efect spore isn't worth it. Clerics lol at it.

.Aero December 11th, 2007 4:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kero× (Post 3162569)
Grats Sabaku looks like you will be making the other thread lmao

I feel all fuzzy inside. xD Maybe it'll be stickied too, well if a mod thinks it's worthy. xD

Forretress, we need a moveset for him, and fix up my Breloom one. Magmortar I personally don't like, but I could add him. I need movesets people. xD If you make a moveset that all of us agree worthy, I'll add it to the original post for everyone to copy for Weavile counters.

ABYAY I'll add your set into the first post.

~desu Saba~

Ooka December 11th, 2007 4:56 PM

Actually, most Weaviles are Focus Sash'd, not Choice Banded O_o. Which is why Hippowdon makes such a great counter, 1 Earthquake Ko's it, after the Sandstorm has messed it up of course.

There is always:

[email protected] Orb
Adamant~252 HP/252 Attack
Bullet Punch
Close Combat
Facade
Fake Out

Sora_8920 December 11th, 2007 4:58 PM

Aerodactyl @ Focus Sash ** Hax is here.
Trait: Pressure
Adamant / Jolly Nature
- Crunch / Stone Edge / Rock Polish
- Roost
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake. Pretty much obvious Set.

Ooka December 11th, 2007 5:00 PM

Hey Sabaku, I can just trade you that Harriyama mentioned in my last post if you want a Weavile counter that bad.


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