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Well, I don't see you on wi-fi, and I'm waiting.
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I believe in testing things to prove something, or actually doing something. But when that method cannot determine one side of an argument correct or incorrect, you have to go to facts. IMO EDIT: Don't expect a consistant outcome since both pokemon are so varied all the time...or, weavile at least :P |
Well, I just took his Ice Punch, it almost 3HKOd me, and I 1HKOd his Weavile.
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Hippowdon certainly walls a Jolly Weavile. It took it down in one EQ, after receiving about 1/3 damage from an Ice Punch. EQ leaves Weavile with 1 HP, Sand Stream finishes it off.
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Basically he means you'd believe theory (the calculations) over practical (actual happenings). And right there you contridicted yourself by saying you believe in practical. Which is saying Hippowdon can be a counter. (EDIT: as just proved by two posts above) ~desu Saba~ |
I figured I'd do that :P I really don't understand the meanings of those wrods since my vocab is bad, so maybe I should take a breather...lol
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And finally, the point is proven.
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Anybody have a purely attacking-based Weavile to pit against Hippowdon? Following the whole "different scenario" thing.
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Finally, I think it's over. Ok, can we get back to coming up with more counters. I think we've spent a whole page on discussing this Hippowdon issue. (or more) I mean we still need to test it out on other Weavile's but until we find someone willing to face Ooka's Hippo, then we let this sleeping dog lie.
EDIT: And we're off again.... Ok, Anti, get the CB Weavile and Ooka battle countering. Outcome will be posted. Sorry I sound so demanding, I just want this over. ~desu Saba~ |
Well, we all know that Hippowdon can survive an Ice Punch with Flying colors and Tank by 1HKOing the Weavile no matter what set.
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After flicking through Serebii, I'd say that Torkoal could also be a pretty decent Weavile counter.
EDIT: In light of what Kazaam has just said, can we not just leave this? |
Have you tried the CB one? Because that was wonderful for me in beating hippos.
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Really? Give us a set to see...although the first response from some people will be "Torkoal is not a counter for Weavile" We need to give ideas a chance though.
Anti: Bad hippos. xD ~desu Saba~ |
Bad hippos? Man, I'm slow today O_o
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I have no idea. But most standard sets would not be able to put much of a dent in 140 base Def, and its typing makes one of its moves obselete. I'm guessing you'd have Gyro Ball on a Torkoal, to do some major damage (Base 20 Speed = win).
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Anti, your picture of Skarm looks like it has a key attached to It's eye. Seriously. x.x Back on-topic: I would agree with Anti.
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Gryo Ball Torkoal huh? Nice, I could try for a set in a sec. *sighs of relief* (finally back to no arguments)
Bad hippos = Bad Hippowdons. (well I can't necessarily say they were bad cuz I never fought one outside of Ooka's) ~desu Saba~ |
I think it's safe to say that a Gyro Ball Shuckle would smash a Weavile.
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I've been told Shuckle's Defenses don't really matter because of it's not so great Health. So I don't think Shuckle would work too well. But maybe.
Torkoal@??? Relaxed~252 Defense/Attack Gyro Ball Earthquake Flamethrower Stealth Rock/Iron Defense EDIT: *thread gets shot* *thread dies* Wow, I guess argument is what kept this place alive. xD ~desu Saba~ |
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Good point. I forgot to add Attack into the calculation. >_< Steelix and Forry would be better, then.
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[email protected] 252 hp / 252 def / 6 sp.att Relaxed Nature - Will-o-wisp - Lava Plume / Overheat - Stealth Rock / Toxic / Yawn - Rapid Spin / Rest Will-o-wisp and Lava Plume/Overheat cripple weavile. Stealth Rock Prevent weavile from coming back in again. Yawn prevents any heatran switch ins. Toxic wears down bulky waters who will often come in on this. Rapid Spin helps its walling ability as it gets 25% of its health chipped off by stealth rock. Rest is also good if used in conjunction with a cleric. |
Should I add Torkoal to the list?
I got's an idea. How bout we see if a Butterfree could work. Bug>Dark! xD What Item should be given to the Torkoal though? ~desu Saba~ |
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