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Ooka December 12th, 2007 1:19 PM

Well, I don't see you on wi-fi, and I'm waiting.

Anti December 12th, 2007 1:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuro (Post 3164432)
So what you're saying is that you stand by theoretical proof over practical proof?

I'm not good with big words :0 though I think I might understand that...

I believe in testing things to prove something, or actually doing something. But when that method cannot determine one side of an argument correct or incorrect, you have to go to facts. IMO

EDIT: Don't expect a consistant outcome since both pokemon are so varied all the time...or, weavile at least :P

Ooka December 12th, 2007 1:22 PM

Well, I just took his Ice Punch, it almost 3HKOd me, and I 1HKOd his Weavile.

Kuro December 12th, 2007 1:22 PM

Hippowdon certainly walls a Jolly Weavile. It took it down in one EQ, after receiving about 1/3 damage from an Ice Punch. EQ leaves Weavile with 1 HP, Sand Stream finishes it off.

.Aero December 12th, 2007 1:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3164437)
I'm not good with big words :0 though I think I might understand that...

I believe in testing things to prove something, or actually doing something. But when that method cannot determine one side of an argument correct or incorrect, you have to go to facts. IMO

EDIT: Don't expect a consistant outcome since both pokemon are so varied all the time...or, weavile at least :P

What Kuro means is what I've been trying to say but can't.

Basically he means you'd believe theory (the calculations) over practical (actual happenings). And right there you contridicted yourself by saying you believe in practical. Which is saying Hippowdon can be a counter. (EDIT: as just proved by two posts above)

~desu Saba~

Anti December 12th, 2007 1:24 PM

I figured I'd do that :P I really don't understand the meanings of those wrods since my vocab is bad, so maybe I should take a breather...lol

Ooka December 12th, 2007 1:25 PM

And finally, the point is proven.

Kuro December 12th, 2007 1:26 PM

Anybody have a purely attacking-based Weavile to pit against Hippowdon? Following the whole "different scenario" thing.

EDIT: Scratch that.

Anti December 12th, 2007 1:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuro (Post 3164466)
Anybody have a purely attacking-based Weavile to pit against Hippowdon? Following the whole "different scenario" thing.

EDIT: Scratch that.

Like the CB adamant weavile I used to run :P

.Aero December 12th, 2007 1:27 PM

Finally, I think it's over. Ok, can we get back to coming up with more counters. I think we've spent a whole page on discussing this Hippowdon issue. (or more) I mean we still need to test it out on other Weavile's but until we find someone willing to face Ooka's Hippo, then we let this sleeping dog lie.

EDIT: And we're off again.... Ok, Anti, get the CB Weavile and Ooka battle countering. Outcome will be posted. Sorry I sound so demanding, I just want this over.

~desu Saba~

Ooka December 12th, 2007 1:30 PM

Well, we all know that Hippowdon can survive an Ice Punch with Flying colors and Tank by 1HKOing the Weavile no matter what set.

Kuro December 12th, 2007 1:30 PM

After flicking through Serebii, I'd say that Torkoal could also be a pretty decent Weavile counter.

EDIT: In light of what Kazaam has just said, can we not just leave this?

Anti December 12th, 2007 1:31 PM

Have you tried the CB one? Because that was wonderful for me in beating hippos.

.Aero December 12th, 2007 1:31 PM

Really? Give us a set to see...although the first response from some people will be "Torkoal is not a counter for Weavile" We need to give ideas a chance though.

Anti: Bad hippos. xD

~desu Saba~

Anti December 12th, 2007 1:33 PM

Bad hippos? Man, I'm slow today O_o

Torkoal seems like it would work though.

Kuro December 12th, 2007 1:35 PM

I have no idea. But most standard sets would not be able to put much of a dent in 140 base Def, and its typing makes one of its moves obselete. I'm guessing you'd have Gyro Ball on a Torkoal, to do some major damage (Base 20 Speed = win).

Sora_8920 December 12th, 2007 1:35 PM

Anti, your picture of Skarm looks like it has a key attached to It's eye. Seriously. x.x Back on-topic: I would agree with Anti.

.Aero December 12th, 2007 1:40 PM

Gryo Ball Torkoal huh? Nice, I could try for a set in a sec. *sighs of relief* (finally back to no arguments)

Bad hippos = Bad Hippowdons. (well I can't necessarily say they were bad cuz I never fought one outside of Ooka's)

~desu Saba~

Kuro December 12th, 2007 1:43 PM

I think it's safe to say that a Gyro Ball Shuckle would smash a Weavile.

.Aero December 12th, 2007 1:48 PM

I've been told Shuckle's Defenses don't really matter because of it's not so great Health. So I don't think Shuckle would work too well. But maybe.

Torkoal@???
Relaxed~252 Defense/Attack
Gyro Ball
Earthquake
Flamethrower
Stealth Rock/Iron Defense

EDIT: *thread gets shot* *thread dies* Wow, I guess argument is what kept this place alive. xD

~desu Saba~

Shiraishi December 12th, 2007 1:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuro (Post 3164546)
I think it's safe to say that a Gyro Ball Shuckle would smash a Weavile.

Coming off Shuckle's 10 base attack? I don't think so.

Sora_8920 December 12th, 2007 1:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiraishi (Post 3164599)
Coming off Shuckle's 10 base attack? I don't think so.

Exactly. Maybe something like a Steelix would do good, but no Shuckle. x.x

Kuro December 12th, 2007 1:55 PM

Good point. I forgot to add Attack into the calculation. >_< Steelix and Forry would be better, then.

Dark Azelf December 12th, 2007 1:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuro (Post 3164546)
I think it's safe to say that a Gyro Ball Shuckle would smash a Weavile.

I hope that was a joke lol Have you seen Shuckles base attack lol XD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabaku no Gaara (Post 3164534)
Gryo Ball Torkoal huh? Nice, I could try for a set in a sec. *sighs of relief* (finally back to no arguments)

Bad hippos = Bad Hippowdons. (well I can't necessarily say they were bad cuz I never fought one outside of Ooka's)

~desu Saba~

Torkoal really doesnt need Gyro Ball and curse does nothing good for it, you still get pwned by Earthquake. Also, you get walled by everything and get phazed by and embarrassed by (a fire type getting showed up by a steel type lol) skarmory etc.

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252 hp / 252 def / 6 sp.att
Relaxed Nature
- Will-o-wisp
- Lava Plume / Overheat
- Stealth Rock / Toxic / Yawn
- Rapid Spin / Rest


Will-o-wisp and Lava Plume/Overheat cripple weavile.

Stealth Rock Prevent weavile from coming back in again.

Yawn prevents any heatran switch ins.

Toxic wears down bulky waters who will often come in on this.

Rapid Spin helps its walling ability as it gets 25% of its health chipped off by stealth rock.

Rest is also good if used in conjunction with a cleric.

.Aero December 12th, 2007 2:01 PM

Should I add Torkoal to the list?

I got's an idea. How bout we see if a Butterfree could work. Bug>Dark! xD

What Item should be given to the Torkoal though?

~desu Saba~


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