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Testing a team...
Ok, so this is just something I came up with. I had these pokes lying around in my PC, so I decided to do something with them:
============= [email protected] Bold 252 HP, 84 Def, 172 Spd Calm Mind Baton Pass Grass Knot / Psychic Recover ============= [email protected] Orb Adamant 252 Atk, 104 Spd, 152 HP/Def Agililty Earthquake Meteor Mash Explosion / Thunderpunch ============= [email protected] Belt Lonely 252 Atk, 176 Spd, 80 Sp. Atk Thunderbolt Ice Punch Cross Chop Earthquake ============= [email protected]Metronome / Leftovers Bold 248 HP, 84 Def, 176 SpDef Thunder Wave Air Slash Roost Aura Sphere ============= [email protected]/Lum Berry Bold 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Sp. Atk Surf Rest Calm Mind Roar ============= [email protected] Bold 212 HP, 244 Def, 56 Sp. def Ice Beam Softboiled Aromatherapy Seismic Toss ============= Also as a sub in: [email protected] Impish 252 Hp, 252 Def, 6 Atk Earthquake Ice Fang Slack Off Stealth Rock ============= Bolded are the choices between moves. Any help is greatly appreciated. Regards, ~M51 |
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@ darkknight316: Umm....yes. But I don't blame you. ;D
Psychic over Grass Knot on Celebi, it 0HKOs Breloom and Heracross. It hits other grass types too. Metagross only needs 104Spd, so pump the rest into HP to boost its defenses. I'd run Explosion. Expert Belt is crap. Life Orb pl0x. Thunder Wave sucks even on Togekiss, period. Body Slam is always the better choice, 60% parahax isn't bad. Wish>Roost for more team support, as many are bulky yet cannot self heal. The best EV spread for Blissey is 212HP / 244Def / 52SpDef. |
But won't Body Slam be doing pitiful damage?
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Thunder Wave does no damage at all so what's your point?
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You people REALLY dont uderstand strategy, at ALL do you? Its a paraflincher! Togekiss's ability, Serene Grace, increases the chances of flinching when using Air Slash, and while being paralyzed, your opponent almost cant move. Body Slam can paralyze, yes, but Thunder Wave is more reliable. And roost helps out more than wish, it removes ice, electric, and rock wekanesses when you heal, and lets you recover from Stone Edges better. Also, Bolds is a great nature on Togekiss. Wish Passing is unreliable anyways, sure it supports, but Roost gives you a better chance. And leftovers over Metronome please. Expert Belt is NOT crap Flamehaze, I prefer it to Life Orb. I would run Seismic Toss over thunder wave on Bliss. Its good for taking down so many pokes.
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Thankyou Midnight. I cannot see the logic from Flamehaze either....lol
[email protected] (Metronome purely to increase Air Slash damage when Flinch attacking...:)) Bold (???) 252 HP, 240 Def, 16 Sp. Atk Aura Sphere Thunder Wave Air Slash Roost Is that it? ~M51 |
Yes, even with STAB, Body Slam won't be doing anything necessarily needed, just set up Stealth Rocks/Spikes to get the extra damage =\
It's like using a 60% Accuracy move and overrating it so that it will most likely hit, go Thunder Wave |
Not sure on the EVs, I ahve to open Shoddy to get my EVs. And Metronome isnt a bad idea, but LEfties help is the best way to go. You need some SpDef in there, I'll edit this psot when Shoddy opens and put the EVs.
248 HP, 84 Def, 176 SpDef |
I see, thankyou. :)
EDIT: So Bold over Calm then? ~M51 |
Yeah, lets it survive Stone Edge well, and still take special hits like a monster.
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It sure does. :) :) :) :)
So, team weaknesses??? ~M51 |
Vire murders you when Hippowdon isn't in. Otherwise it's pretty good. Hera can do a number as well, but it isn't too bad.
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Yes, MixedVire. Flamethrower, Thunderbolt, Cross Chop, Earthquake. Ruins this team. Well actually ruins MOST teams.
OH NO ANTI-POP BEAT ME TO IT! |
Doesn't mixedVire have ice punch since EQ and CC have nearly the same coverage?
Noticed nothing can really switch into choice band metagross except suicune...and that's it... |
Sometimes, but one of Electivire biggest fears is, Electivire. Earthquake and Cross Chop take out both Bliss and other Vire.
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What do CB Metagross run?
As for the mixed Vire, I haven't seen many, but that may be an Idea. Should I increase speed on my Vire? (EV's, Nature etc. ???) ~M51 |
You COULD go Hasty/Naive, or put some attack EVs into speed.
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ok, Naive - Sp. Def I think, and how many EV's?
NOTE: Keep in mind that many a time I have BP'd CM from Celebi to Electivire, so Sp. Def wouldn't be a problem. ~M51 |
Not tons, only abut 20 EVs could do it, just enough to outspeed the standard.
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CBgross...EQ, Meteor mash. Explosion, Tpunch usually. Explosion does 85% to skarm :0 No typo :0
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ok, thanks. :):):)
Anything else? CB Gross issues? >:< EDIT: lol, beat me again Anit. :P Ok, what do you suggest? ~M51 |
*sigh*
Body Slam>>>Thunder Wave. Togekiss is supposed to wall ground types with her typing and Thunder Wave does nothing to it. Body Slam also doesn't invite Motor Drive or Volt Absorb pokemon in either *cough* Electivire *cough* 60% paralyze isn't bad. Sure you don't hit ghosts, but ghosts can't do much back either, Non-Specs Gengar's Thunderbolt doesn't even 2HKO Togekiss with Leftovers while you Air Slash them to death and heal/ stall with Roost/ Wish. Life Orb is better. Expert Belt really is outclassed in almost every way. Electivire isn't supposed to take strong hits either so the LO recoil is moot. Not to mention LO Ice Punch has a chance to 2HKO Donphan if it isn't carrying max HP/Def. (most don't) Calm>Bold on Togekiss, anyday. Metronome sucks Leftovers is always the better choice. |
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Do you know the reasoning behind my Metronome use Flamehaze? Or are you simply implying your name?
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Body Slam has always been the choice over Thunder Wave, for the reasons mentioned. Let's see.......Expert Belt doesn't really offer any form of a solid boost. Life Orb has always been the better option. Giving the 2HKO on Donphan with Ice Punch and thus, with the more power boost giving you more of an option to EV differently based on the idem. LO recoil on Electivire is moot anyways as it can't take a hit. Expert Belt can't boost if it isn't super effective if it has a ghost,bug,psychic,poison typing. LO allows Vire too hit Dusknoir, Spiritomb, and Cress waaaayyyy harder. Milotic....Bold? There are simply too many special attacking threats out there that not using up SpDef is lol. I'm not saying it doesn't need defense EVs, but Bold over Calm is counter productive. Calm>Bold is more like it. |
I rather run a Calm Milotic just because her base sp.def is a lot higher than her def. The 10% nature boost is more significant. It doesn't mean it can't take physical hits because it's not bold, just put a lot of EVs in def.
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Bold is for being MixedLotic, when usually restalking, it gets Marvel Scale power and ecomes a super mixed wall.
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