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Ársa December 13th, 2007 12:34 AM

Testing a team...
 
Ok, so this is just something I came up with. I had these pokes lying around in my PC, so I decided to do something with them:

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Bold
252 HP, 84 Def, 172 Spd

Calm Mind
Baton Pass
Grass Knot / Psychic
Recover

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[email protected] Orb
Adamant
252 Atk, 104 Spd, 152 HP/Def

Agililty
Earthquake
Meteor Mash
Explosion / Thunderpunch

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Lonely
252 Atk, 176 Spd, 80 Sp. Atk

Thunderbolt
Ice Punch
Cross Chop
Earthquake

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[email protected]Metronome / Leftovers
Bold
248 HP, 84 Def, 176 SpDef

Thunder Wave
Air Slash
Roost
Aura Sphere

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[email protected]/Lum Berry
Bold
252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Sp. Atk

Surf
Rest
Calm Mind
Roar

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Bold
212 HP, 244 Def, 56 Sp. def

Ice Beam
Softboiled
Aromatherapy
Seismic Toss

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Also as a sub in:

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Impish
252 Hp, 252 Def, 6 Atk

Earthquake
Ice Fang
Slack Off
Stealth Rock

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Bolded are the choices between moves. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Regards,

~M51

Arcknight316 December 13th, 2007 1:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mullac51 (Post 3165843)
Ok, so this is just something I came up with. I had these pokes lying around in my PC, so I decided to do something with them:

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[email protected]
Bold
252 HP, 84 Def, 172 Spd

Calm Mind
Baton Pass
Grass Knot / Psychic
Recover

Um..OK?

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[email protected] Orb
Adamant
252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 Def

Agililty
Earthquake
Meteor Mash
Explosion / Thunderpunch

Agiligross doesn't need that much speed.

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Lonely
252 Atk, 176 Spd, 80 Sp. Atk

Thunderbolt
Ice Punch
Cross Chop
Earthquake

OK.

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Calm
252 HP, 240 Def, 16 Sp. Atk

Thunder Wave / Body Slam
Air Slash
Roost
Aura Sphere

I hope you're joking about Body Slam.

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[email protected]/Lum Berry
Bold
252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Sp. Atk

Surf
Rest
Calm Mind
Roar

Ditch it for Hippowdon.

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Bold
252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Sp. atk

Ice Beam
Softboiled
Aromatherapy
Seismic Toss / Thunder Wave

Blissey doesn't need 2 attacks. Run Thunder Wave.

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Also as a sub in:

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Impish
252 Hp, 252 Def, 6 Atk

Earthquake
Roar
Slack Off
Stealth Rock

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Bolded are the choices between moves. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Regards,

~M51

OK. Changes in Bold, don't blame me if they suck.

flamehaze94 December 13th, 2007 1:51 PM

@ darkknight316: Umm....yes. But I don't blame you. ;D


Psychic over Grass Knot on Celebi, it 0HKOs Breloom and Heracross. It hits other grass types too.


Metagross only needs 104Spd, so pump the rest into HP to boost its defenses. I'd run Explosion.

Expert Belt is crap. Life Orb pl0x.


Thunder Wave sucks even on Togekiss, period. Body Slam is always the better choice, 60% parahax isn't bad. Wish>Roost for more team support, as many are bulky yet cannot self heal.


The best EV spread for Blissey is 212HP / 244Def / 52SpDef.

Arcknight316 December 13th, 2007 1:53 PM

But won't Body Slam be doing pitiful damage?

flamehaze94 December 13th, 2007 1:57 PM

Thunder Wave does no damage at all so what's your point?

Arcknight316 December 13th, 2007 2:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flamehaze94 (Post 3166943)
Thunder Wave does no damage at all so what's your point?

Oh, nvm, I see. That works.

Eos Aduro December 13th, 2007 6:02 PM

You people REALLY dont uderstand strategy, at ALL do you? Its a paraflincher! Togekiss's ability, Serene Grace, increases the chances of flinching when using Air Slash, and while being paralyzed, your opponent almost cant move. Body Slam can paralyze, yes, but Thunder Wave is more reliable. And roost helps out more than wish, it removes ice, electric, and rock wekanesses when you heal, and lets you recover from Stone Edges better. Also, Bolds is a great nature on Togekiss. Wish Passing is unreliable anyways, sure it supports, but Roost gives you a better chance. And leftovers over Metronome please. Expert Belt is NOT crap Flamehaze, I prefer it to Life Orb. I would run Seismic Toss over thunder wave on Bliss. Its good for taking down so many pokes.

Ársa December 13th, 2007 6:04 PM

Thankyou Midnight. I cannot see the logic from Flamehaze either....lol

[email protected] (Metronome purely to increase Air Slash damage when Flinch attacking...:))
Bold (???)
252 HP, 240 Def, 16 Sp. Atk

Aura Sphere
Thunder Wave
Air Slash
Roost

Is that it?

~M51

Faceless* December 13th, 2007 6:05 PM

Yes, even with STAB, Body Slam won't be doing anything necessarily needed, just set up Stealth Rocks/Spikes to get the extra damage =\

It's like using a 60% Accuracy move and overrating it so that it will most likely hit, go Thunder Wave

Eos Aduro December 13th, 2007 6:07 PM

Not sure on the EVs, I ahve to open Shoddy to get my EVs. And Metronome isnt a bad idea, but LEfties help is the best way to go. You need some SpDef in there, I'll edit this psot when Shoddy opens and put the EVs.

248 HP, 84 Def, 176 SpDef

Ársa December 13th, 2007 6:11 PM

I see, thankyou. :)

EDIT: So Bold over Calm then?

~M51

Eos Aduro December 13th, 2007 6:12 PM

Yeah, lets it survive Stone Edge well, and still take special hits like a monster.

Ársa December 13th, 2007 6:13 PM

It sure does. :) :) :) :)

So, team weaknesses???

~M51

Anti December 13th, 2007 6:15 PM

Vire murders you when Hippowdon isn't in. Otherwise it's pretty good. Hera can do a number as well, but it isn't too bad.

Eos Aduro December 13th, 2007 6:15 PM

Yes, MixedVire. Flamethrower, Thunderbolt, Cross Chop, Earthquake. Ruins this team. Well actually ruins MOST teams.

OH NO ANTI-POP BEAT ME TO IT!

Anti December 13th, 2007 6:16 PM

Doesn't mixedVire have ice punch since EQ and CC have nearly the same coverage?

Noticed nothing can really switch into choice band metagross except suicune...and that's it...

Eos Aduro December 13th, 2007 6:17 PM

Sometimes, but one of Electivire biggest fears is, Electivire. Earthquake and Cross Chop take out both Bliss and other Vire.

Ársa December 13th, 2007 6:18 PM

What do CB Metagross run?

As for the mixed Vire, I haven't seen many, but that may be an Idea. Should I increase speed on my Vire? (EV's, Nature etc. ???)

~M51

Eos Aduro December 13th, 2007 6:19 PM

You COULD go Hasty/Naive, or put some attack EVs into speed.

Ársa December 13th, 2007 6:20 PM

ok, Naive - Sp. Def I think, and how many EV's?

NOTE: Keep in mind that many a time I have BP'd CM from Celebi to Electivire, so Sp. Def wouldn't be a problem.

~M51

Eos Aduro December 13th, 2007 6:23 PM

Not tons, only abut 20 EVs could do it, just enough to outspeed the standard.

Anti December 13th, 2007 6:24 PM

CBgross...EQ, Meteor mash. Explosion, Tpunch usually. Explosion does 85% to skarm :0 No typo :0

Ársa December 13th, 2007 6:24 PM

ok, thanks. :):):)

Anything else? CB Gross issues? >:<

EDIT: lol, beat me again Anit. :P

Ok, what do you suggest?

~M51

flamehaze94 December 13th, 2007 7:16 PM

*sigh*

Body Slam>>>Thunder Wave.

Togekiss is supposed to wall ground types with her typing and Thunder Wave does nothing to it. Body Slam also doesn't invite Motor Drive or Volt Absorb pokemon in either *cough* Electivire *cough* 60% paralyze isn't bad. Sure you don't hit ghosts, but ghosts can't do much back either, Non-Specs Gengar's Thunderbolt doesn't even 2HKO Togekiss with Leftovers while you Air Slash them to death and heal/ stall with Roost/ Wish.


Life Orb is better. Expert Belt really is outclassed in almost every way. Electivire isn't supposed to take strong hits either so the LO recoil is moot. Not to mention LO Ice Punch has a chance to 2HKO Donphan if it isn't carrying max HP/Def. (most don't)




Calm>Bold on Togekiss, anyday. Metronome sucks Leftovers is always the better choice.

Arcknight316 December 13th, 2007 9:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flamehaze94 (Post 3167847)
*sigh*

Body Slam>>>Thunder Wave.

Togekiss is supposed to wall ground types with her typing and Thunder Wave does nothing to it. Body Slam also doesn't invite Motor Drive or Volt Absorb pokemon in either *cough* Electivire *cough* 60% paralyze isn't bad. Sure you don't hit ghosts, but ghosts can't do much back either, Non-Specs Gengar's Thunderbolt doesn't even 2HKO Togekiss with Leftovers while you Air Slash them to death and heal/ stall with Roost/ Wish.

Since when do people run Body Slam Togekiss? And, besides, although it isn't common, Mold Breaker wrecks Body Slam.

Life Orb is better. Expert Belt really is outclassed in almost every way. Electivire isn't supposed to take strong hits either so the LO recoil is moot. Not to mention LO Ice Punch has a chance to 2HKO Donphan if it isn't carrying max HP/Def. (most don't)

Wow, if it sucks that much, why does EVERYONE use it?


Calm>Bold on Togekiss, anyday. Metronome sucks Leftovers is always the better choice.

Well, why do you think people run Bold Milotic?

What I think of your post. I may not have much experience, but that's my opinion.

Ársa December 13th, 2007 9:07 PM

Do you know the reasoning behind my Metronome use Flamehaze? Or are you simply implying your name?

~M51

flamehaze94 December 13th, 2007 9:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316
Quote:

Originally Posted by flamehaze94
*sigh*

Body Slam>>>Thunder Wave.

Togekiss is supposed to wall ground types with her typing and Thunder Wave does nothing to it. Body Slam also doesn't invite Motor Drive or Volt Absorb pokemon in either *cough* Electivire *cough* 60% paralyze isn't bad. Sure you don't hit ghosts, but ghosts can't do much back either, Non-Specs Gengar's Thunderbolt doesn't even 2HKO Togekiss with Leftovers while you Air Slash them to death and heal/ stall with Roost/ Wish.

Since when do people run Body Slam Togekiss? And, besides, although it isn't common, Mold Breaker wrecks Body Slam.

Life Orb is better. Expert Belt really is outclassed in almost every way. Electivire isn't supposed to take strong hits either so the LO recoil is moot. Not to mention LO Ice Punch has a chance to 2HKO Donphan if it isn't carrying max HP/Def. (most don't)

Wow, if it sucks that much, why does EVERYONE use it?


Calm>Bold on Togekiss, anyday. Metronome sucks Leftovers is always the better choice.

Well, why do you think people run Bold Milotic?



Body Slam has always been the choice over Thunder Wave, for the reasons mentioned.


Let's see.......Expert Belt doesn't really offer any form of a solid boost. Life Orb has always been the better option. Giving the 2HKO on Donphan with Ice Punch and thus, with the more power boost giving you more of an option to EV differently based on the idem. LO recoil on Electivire is moot anyways as it can't take a hit. Expert Belt can't boost if it isn't super effective if it has a ghost,bug,psychic,poison typing. LO allows Vire too hit Dusknoir, Spiritomb, and Cress waaaayyyy harder.


Milotic....Bold? There are simply too many special attacking threats out there that not using up SpDef is lol. I'm not saying it doesn't need defense EVs, but Bold over Calm is counter productive. Calm>Bold is more like it.

Syaoran December 13th, 2007 10:07 PM

I rather run a Calm Milotic just because her base sp.def is a lot higher than her def. The 10% nature boost is more significant. It doesn't mean it can't take physical hits because it's not bold, just put a lot of EVs in def.

Eos Aduro December 14th, 2007 4:28 PM

Bold is for being MixedLotic, when usually restalking, it gets Marvel Scale power and ecomes a super mixed wall.


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