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sims796 December 13th, 2007 6:35 PM

Review 3.5 (For Shoddy)
 
Well, due to my dorm's wifi rejecting Nintendo's wifi, I must resort to shoddy. So is my team suited for that? This is the exact same thread as before, mind you.



[QUOTE=sims796;3097011]This should hopefully be my last RMT thread, but I don't feel like reviving the old one. I've made a few notible changes.


[email protected]/Wacan Berry***Dragoon
Nature:Adamant
Waterfall
Stone Edge
Dragon Dance
Taunt
EV:212 HP/16 ATK/180 DEF/100 SPD
Physical Sweeper. Standard Tauntdos. Painful when played right, although I may give him a wii bit more ATK.

[email protected] Sash***Sparks
Nature:Timid
T-bolt
Grass Knot
Focus Blast
Nasty Plot
EV:MAX SP.ATK/MAX SPD/6 SP.DEF
Special Sweeper. He abuses Focus Sash for powerful moves. For instance, if Specsmence causes me grief, I can last with Sash to hit hard.

[email protected]***Nickname in thought
Nature:Relaxed
Gyro Ball
EQ
Rapid Spin
Spikes/Stealth Rock
EV:MAX HP/88 ATK/164 DEF
Physical Wall. Also my Spinner, & Trap setter. Because he is my prime wall, Explosion is not an option.

[email protected]***Spam
Nature:Calm
Psychic
Energy Ball
Reflect
T-wave/Magic Coat
EV:MAX HP/52 SP.ATK/200 SP.DEF
Special Wall. This was a tough trade-off from Noctowl. As much as I love Noctowl, it didn't help my bolt-beam weakness. Hell, she made it worse. Grumpig, however, has higher Sp.Defence, higher Sp.Attack, a more diverse movepool, & Thick Fat, which damn well helps me out. Unfortunately, he lacks what Noctowl has-a reliable healing move. Still, pro outweighs the con.

[email protected] Orb***Yoshi
Nature:Naughty
EQ
Dragon Claw
Fire Blast
Roost/U-Turn
EV:252 ATK/120 SP.ATK/136 SPD
Mixed Sweeper (Orb). What is the proper EV spread for this? I want it to be a SkarmBliss killer. But I lose the Speed my team craves with this set.

[email protected] Sludge***Petals
Nature:Calm
Energy Ball
Hidden Power [ICE]
Aromatherapy
Sleep Powder
EV:244 HP/90 SP.ATK/140 SP.DEF/30 DEF
Cleric. My team favorite! He is also a limited mixed wall. I discovered this when I accidentally gave him DEF EV's while training him in SP.DEF. His typing allows him much survivability. Although he has many weaknesses, not all are seen that often.


So, whadda think? Better than last time.
QUOTE]

Anti December 13th, 2007 6:37 PM

Lfygon can kill things much much better with:

Flygon (M) @ Choice Band ** >CBmence
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Quick Attack / Crunch / Rock Slide

Though you'd probably have to alter the EVs so you can ACTUALLY hurt skarm ;)

sims796 December 13th, 2007 6:41 PM

The thing is, I hate Skarrmbliss. I mean, really hate Skarmbliss. Alsmot as much as I love America. Slightly less than my love for Canada, because I loves me some Canada.

But get my drift? I hate Skarmbliss.

Ársa December 13th, 2007 7:01 PM

lol, you certainly are the type Simis...:)

[email protected] Orb
Lonely
252 Spd / Atk, 176 Spd / Atk, 80 Sp. Atk

Fire Blast
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Crunch / Rock Slide

Dunno about the EV's, which makes it basically the same to anti's, but anyway...:P

~M51

Anti December 13th, 2007 7:28 PM

Flygon only needs to be able to 2HKO...that's it. I'
ll run teh clacs, get back to ya in a sec.

EDIT: Adamant with no SAtk EVs is still a 2HKO on max HP, no SDef Skarm.

sims796 December 13th, 2007 7:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3167876)
Flygon only needs to be able to 2HKO...that's it. I'
ll run teh clacs, get back to ya in a sec.

EDIT: Adamant with no SAtk EVs is still a 2HKO on max HP, no SDef Skarm.

Wait, what? I barelly understood that post.

Anti December 13th, 2007 7:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3167902)
Wait, what? I barelly understood that post.

Sorry, I'm tired and my spelling is really bad :0

I ran some *calcs* so now *I'll* tell you this...176 SAtk on Flygon (a -SAtk nature with no EVs but a max IV) will 2HKO Skarmory with max HP but no SDef EVs. It does 52%-61% damage.

Archer December 13th, 2007 8:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3167907)
Sorry, I'm tired and my spelling is really bad :0

I ran some *calcs* so now *I'll* tell you this...176 SAtk on Flygon (a -SAtk nature with no EVs but a max IV) will 2HKO Skarmory with max HP but no SDef EVs. It does 52%-61% damage.

You might want to beef it up just slightly to ensure the 53% damage required to 2HKO Skarm with Lefties (6% recovery).

Anti December 14th, 2007 2:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by archer (Post 3167964)
You might want to beef it up just slightly to ensure the 53% damage required to 2HKO Skarm with Lefties (6% recovery).

But the chances are SO slim. But then agaim, ight as well not take chances. Guess it depends on if you're the risky type ;) lol

Eos Aduro December 14th, 2007 4:53 PM

GO CANADA! Im Canadian. MixedScarfGon is decent, and being mixed gives him a step up on opponents. Not usre on the set though.

sims796 December 15th, 2007 10:53 AM

I just spoke with Dark azelf on countering my most hated pokemon-Cressila.

Unfortunately, I haven't the poke that he recommended to wipe it out.

I usually don't ask this, but...any strategies I can use to wipe it out? Not changing pokes, of ocurse.

Anti December 15th, 2007 10:57 AM

This is a toughie. I'd try to outstall it and see where that takes you. Plume could take a HUGE risk and switch into it and try and put it to sleep so you can let flygon attack it. Really, I don't like roosting flygon that much. I really would run CB for the sake of Cressi. It will not like those dragon claws so much.

Maybe toxic over energy ball on grumpig to wear down moonlight variants. For resting ones, flygon can do the trick. that's the best I've got :P

Dark Azelf December 15th, 2007 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3171414)
I just spoke with Dark azelf on countering my most hated pokemon-Cressila.

Unfortunately, I haven't the poke that he recommended to wipe it out.

I usually don't ask this, but...any strategies I can use to wipe it out? Not changing pokes, of ocurse.

You can wear it down with U-Turn from Flygon or Nasty Plot up on it with Raichu . But Flygon wont like being Ice Beamed and Raichu wont like being thunderwaved. Gyarados can taunt it if its not packing Charge Beam and they often are.

Of Course you could run a Calm Mind Shadow Ball set on Grumpig.

sims796 December 15th, 2007 11:00 AM

Oh yeah, Shadow Ball! Forgot about that.

Dark Azelf December 15th, 2007 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3171440)
Oh yeah, Shadow Ball! Forgot about that.

I highly suggest you run Calm mind OR psych Up along with that, if Cressy starts to calm mind, then your screwed, shadow ball will do squat to it if it gets a few in.

sims796 December 15th, 2007 11:23 AM

The biggest problem with that, is I'm afraid to lose Energy Ball, & Thunder Wave. Should those moves get replaced?

Anti December 15th, 2007 11:49 AM

It might be your only option.

Eos Aduro December 15th, 2007 11:50 AM

Ah Cresselia. I dont think I've ever WON against a Cresselia. Oh NVM, that one time when I toyed with CBcross he took it down with MEgaHorn when it had about 60% HP left. Cresselia doesnt like sleep either, so Gengar can handle her pretty well, but withou switching, Hypnosis and HP Dark on Grumpig could help you out...

flamehaze94 December 15th, 2007 11:53 AM

If you want something that kills Cress, run LO Gyara instead of Bulkydos.

That thing has no counters.

sims796 December 15th, 2007 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flamehaze94 (Post 3171700)
If you want something that kills Cress, run LO Gyara instead of Bulkydos.

That thing has no counters.

If only it didn't have Charge Beam, I'd be set. But nooo.

Eos Aduro December 15th, 2007 12:03 PM

Yeah... Charge BEam gets rid of Gyarados very quickly, no wya thats a counter.

flamehaze94 December 15th, 2007 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3171722)
If only it didn't have Charge Beam, I'd be set. But nooo.

Not a problem, Charge Beam can only 2HKO you while you can 2HKO faster with DD Waterfall. Win, win situation really. You are left with about ~30% health left and Cress is dead.

@ Midnight Winged: Gyara isn't supposed to counter Cress, LO Gyara just overcomes this supposed counter by DDing on the switch and 2HKOing with Waterfall while Cress can only 2HKO in return.

Samson December 15th, 2007 12:07 PM

well psychic + electric covers a lot of things, so you *could* give grumpig charge beam instead of energy ball. cressy won't like getting paralyzed either and grumpig will laugh at it's stupid ice beams while it boosts its sp atk with charge beam. if it's a calm mind cressy, it won't have charge beam. if it's a sleep talk cressy, then grumpig has it in the bag unless it gets frozen.

i wouldn't want to lose energy ball so that hippowdon doesn't completely destroy your team. so you may have to consider losing STAB psychic for energy ball. grass types wall it, but they don't like getting paralzed and grumpig will still get sp atk boost w/ charge beam.

then again, you have vileplume for hippow. it's still a 2HKO w/ energy ball and vileplume may not be in the position to take an ice fang.

so all i can really suggest is giving grumpig charge beam, but keeping thunderwave.

Eos Aduro December 15th, 2007 12:11 PM

Actually I;ve played Cresselia with Calm Mind, Charge Beam, CIe Beam, Moonlight, mock bolt beamer, and overall annoyance.

Samson December 15th, 2007 12:14 PM

then it definitely won't like getting paralyzed.

sims796 December 15th, 2007 1:36 PM

So I'll replace Energy Ball, for Charge Beam.

I see Samson's concern on Hippowdon, but I still think I can manage it. Gya w/Dragon Dance, Vileplume, & Even Raichu (although I lose Sash) counters Hippo welll. Especially Chu.

Samson December 15th, 2007 1:48 PM

ya, keeping psychic would probably be best anyway. w/o psychic, it's not half as good as an Infernape counter than it can be.

sims796 December 15th, 2007 1:55 PM

I just realized this..

My team is actually pretty secure against Sandstorm & Stealth Rock. Only Gya is hurt hard by SR. Spikes, well, every team is somewhat threatend by Spikes, however, mine to a lesser degree. The only one who truley suffers from those moves are Raichu, as all Focus Sasher's do.

Am I right on this?

Eos Aduro December 15th, 2007 6:23 PM

Pretty much. You're a little weak to Toxic Spikes, which has crippled my team before -_-

Samson December 15th, 2007 6:38 PM

no it's not... raichu and grumpig are the only ones on his team that are affected by toxic spikes ._.

Eos Aduro December 15th, 2007 6:45 PM

Oops. My brain messed up, it switched Flygon into Garchomp and Forrtress into Torkoal XD. My brain doesnt work.


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