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Sora_8920 December 19th, 2007 3:03 PM

Random Moveset for a Porygon-Z.
 
Yes, I absolutely will refuse to use the Standard.

Porygon-Z @ Choice Specs
Trait: Adaptibility
EV's: 252 SPD / 252 SATK / 4 HP
Timid Nature (+SPD, -ATK)
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- HP [ICE]
- Tri Attack. More "Greedily," power-based here. I'm going try to test this out on Shoddy Battle. Psychic for type-coverage. (Fighting.) HP Grass for Bulky Waters. Zap Cannon / Thunder because I'm going to try a power-base Team. Tri Attack is the only thing Standard I want on it because it gets STAB. Dark Pulse, never Psychic, if you're wondering, is the standard. I prefer to take my chances with running 248 Speed, because it doesn't need the max with Timid. However, correct me if I'm wrong. Edit: Thank you to Shiraishi for the idea of Shadow Ball.
Edit: II Thanks to Towlie big time for the caculations. And Thunderbolt. HP [GRASS] was the only thing I could find wrong, so I changed it to HP [ICE] for bolt-beaming purposes, it doesn't have power, but.. Really.. And Ice Beam was standard. 100 Accuracy. Yep. Or I could run this if I absolutely have to have power, couldn't I?

Porygon-Z @ Focus Sash
Trait: Adaptibility
EV's: 252 SPD / 252 SATK / 4 HP
Modest Nature (+SATK, -ATK)
- Nasty Plot
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Dark Pulse. Standard.......... Maybe I could run Choice Scarf...?

Shiraishi December 19th, 2007 3:06 PM

o.0 You have the Zappy Cannon of fail for bulky waters so HP Grass isn't needed. If you absolutely refuse to use Dark Pulse..use Shadow Ball. Also, you left out 4 EVs. :/

Sora_8920 December 19th, 2007 3:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiraishi (Post 3182138)
o.0 You have the Zappy Cannon of fail for bulky waters so HP Grass isn't needed. If you absolutely refuse to use Dark Pulse..use Shadow Ball. Also, you left out 4 EVs. :/

I refuse to use max EV's.. HP [Grass] is for other bulky waters like Swampert. :/ I will however, use Shadow Ball.

Anti December 19th, 2007 3:23 PM

So you're running a set just for the sake of not using the standard and leaving out 4 EVs? there's a first time for everything...

Seriously, timid isn't outspeeding anything, you might as well use modest. HP grass for bulky waters? You have thunder for that. and seriously, use thunderbolt. I don't care if it isn't on the satandard moveset, if you want this to work, actually use decent attacks, not thunder...

Also, put in the 4 EVs. I don't care hwere, just put them in...

Samson December 19th, 2007 3:40 PM

yeah go modest, give it bulk, a lot less speed.

shedinjask December 19th, 2007 4:14 PM

Bulky PoryZ you say? Original, but Porygon2 is much better suited to the task. Then again, that would be standard.

I love how you reject Dark Pulse because it's standard but then use Shadow Ball.

Sora_8920 December 19th, 2007 4:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shedinjask (Post 3182300)
Bulky PoryZ you say? Original, but Porygon2 is much better suited to the task. Then again, that would be standard.

I love how you reject Dark Pulse because it's standard but then use Shadow Ball.

Is Shadow Ball standard? I don't think so. However, remind me when it is via PM. Edit: Anti, how many times do I have to say it? It's for Swampert.

shedinjask December 19th, 2007 4:33 PM

I don't mean SB is standard. I mean it does the same thing as Dark Pulse, which you won't use because it's standard.

luke December 19th, 2007 4:38 PM

Itachi, being stubborn isn't going to get you anywhere. Why not use those last 4 EVs. So you don't use the standard. That, my good sir, is bad logic.

Anti December 19th, 2007 9:13 PM

Seriously, not using something because it's on the standard moveset is rediculous.

And Tri Attack will hurt swampert anyways. Putting a move on a pokemon solely for another isn't a very good idea when other options provide better power against more pokemon. Which is why HP Grass is a bad idea :/

I actually read your post you know, don't assume I didn't.

Samson December 19th, 2007 10:02 PM

MAKE IT BULKEH...ARGGGHHH.

now look what you've done, i transformed into a ditto.

but seriously, if it doesn't have scarf, the speed evs are not worth it at all. if you're going for power, allow it to take non SE hits.

Waker of Chaos December 19th, 2007 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smogon
Porygon-Z @ Choice Specs/Choice Scarf; Adaptability
Modest/Timid; 4 HP, 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed
Tri Attack
Hidden Power (Fighting)/Thunderbolt
Dark Pulse
Ice Beam

This is the standard. You want to differ from this, by you are only doing so by using more powerful moves, so...

Porygon-Z @ Choice Specs; Download
Timid; 4 HP, 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed
Hyper Beam
Thunder
Shadow Ball
Hidden Power (Grass)

Hyper Beam is easily Porygon-Z's most powerful attack. The only two problems are that it won't work on Ghosts, and it requires a recharge turn, which is especially dangerous when used with Choice Specs. You can use Tri Attack instead, but it's weaker. Thunder only has a 70% accuracy, 50% in any weather other than rain, so I wouldn't depend on it too much. It is better than Zap Cannon, though, as it's more likely to hit when there's no weather condition. Shadow Ball is basically the same thing as Dark Pulse. The only two differences are that it won't work on Normals, and it might lower Special Defense, not make the enemy flinch. Hidden Power is for Swampert, yes, but also for Rhyperior, who can take your Hyper Beam and Thunder and just laugh. I'm sure there are others weak to Grass that you can surprise with this.

Now, I put Download there for use against Pokémon who set up, like an Alakazam with Calm Mind or a Tyranitar with Dragon Dance. You can use either Ability, though.

Just some suggestions, really.

luke December 20th, 2007 7:23 AM

Good job on a "powerful" Porygon-Z Waker. One fix though: Download doesn't take the opponent's stat changes for its own. What it does is adjust it's Special Attack or Attack based on the Pokemon's Defenses. If the opponent has a weaker Defense, it will increase Porygon-Z's Attack. And vice versa for Special Defense / Special Attack.

Sora_8920 December 20th, 2007 12:16 PM

Also, I said I know the standard, but I don't want to utilize the god damn standard. First post = happy when read.

Anti December 20th, 2007 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3183747)
Also, I said I know the standard, but I don't want to utilize the god damn standard. First post = happy when read.

lol

Your moveset still needs work and you know it. Zap cannon is not good or Porygon Z, same with thunder. HP Grass only hurts one pokemon, talk about a waste :/ Tri attack will scare swampert away anyways. You're acting like we aren't reading what you said. we are, we're just telling you what's wrong ;/

Sora_8920 December 20th, 2007 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3183753)
lol

Your moveset still needs work and you know it. Zap cannon is not good or Porygon Z, same with thunder. HP Grass only hurts one pokemon, talk about a waste :/ Tri attack will scare swampert away anyways. You're acting like we aren't reading what you said. we are, we're just telling you what's wrong ;/

Waker obviously didn't. :/ Hyper Beam = lol. For a reason, if he read one of the Stickies. Thunder? Um. Did he read your Post?
Quote:

if you want this to work, actually use decent attacks, not thunder...

Anti December 20th, 2007 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3183768)
Waker obviously didn't. :/ Hyper Beam = lol. For a reason, if he read one of the Stickies. Thunder? Um. Did he read your Post?

What does that have to do with anything?

And Hyper Beam does have a use on Porygon Z :/ It can OHKO blissey with crtain support, it isn't as "lol" as you're making it out to be. I don't like it on Pory Z, but "lol" it is not.

Samson December 20th, 2007 12:48 PM

my porygon has hyperbeam, something i do prefer because it can actually 2HKO Bronzong and manages to KO blissey when it's at around 45%. saved my butt in a lot of situations.

Faceless* December 20th, 2007 1:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2007 (Post 3182124)
Yes, I absolutely will refuse to use the Standard.

Porygon-Z @ Choice Specs
Trait: Adaptibility
EV's: 252 SPD / 252 SATK / 4 HP
Timid Nature (+SPD, -ATK)
- Zap Cannon / Thunder
- Shadow Ball
- HP [GRASS]
- Tri Attack. More "Greedily," power-based here. I'm going try to test this out on Shoddy Battle. Psychic for type-coverage. (Fighting.) HP Grass for Bulky Waters. Zap Cannon / Thunder because I'm going to try a power-base Team. Tri Attack is the only thing Standard I want on it because it gets STAB. Dark Pulse, never Psychic, if you're wondering, is the standard. I prefer to take my chances with running 248 Speed, because it doesn't need the max with Timid. However, correct me if I'm wrong. Edit: Thank you to Shiraishi for the idea of Shadow Ball.

Electric moves without Ice Beam will NOT guarantee any victory without any bulk on Porygon-Z, give it less sp. atk and spd and trade them for it's .. rather high HP

This set needs a Fighting move, try HP Fighting with Shadow Ball, much better coverage

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samson (Post 3183844)
my porygon has hyperbeam, something i do prefer because it can actually 2HKO Bronzong and manages to KO blissey when it's at around 45%. saved my butt in a lot of situations.

Heck Samson, I run Substitute Hyper Beam on Porygon-Z, it's always a beauty =D

Call me crazy, I've EVEN run Porygon-Z with Charge Beam

luke December 20th, 2007 2:28 PM

Adaptibility + Life Orb + STAB + Base 150 Power = OHKO on Blissey (I think I'm missing out on a factor, but I know it is possible.)

Oooo... I run a similar Porygon-Z:

Porygon-Z @ Life Orb / Leftovers
Nature: Modest
Trait: Adaptibility
EV Spread: 160 HP / 252 SPATK / 106 SPD

Hyper Beam
Thunderbolt / Charge Beam / Shadow Ball
Ice Beam / Hidden Power [Fighting]
Substitute

My EVs are probably off and it might be more effective with Timid, but I'm not 100%. All I know is that it has worked for me.

Towlie December 20th, 2007 2:34 PM

So you pretty much run the standard with a garbage electric move over a 100% Accuracy one. Seriously, inform me on this one. What pokemon that's weak to electric CAN'T you OHKO Specs Thunderbolt that you can KO with Zap Cannon/Thunder?

Tri-Attack will hit pretty much anything neutral to Thunder/Zap Cannon harder. Even stuff if it gets resisted, Tri-Attack will have 90 Base Power, with 100 Accuracy (80*1.5*1.5/2=90) A lot better than 100 BP with 50 Accuracy/120 with 70.

Toodlies December 20th, 2007 2:39 PM

I would really just use Thunderbolt over Zap Cannon. Even if you are going against the standard, you will miss half the time.

Sora_8920 December 20th, 2007 3:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Towlie (Post 3184148)
So you pretty much run the standard with a garbage electric move over a 100% Accuracy one. Seriously, inform me on this one. What pokemon that's weak to electric CAN'T you OHKO Specs Thunderbolt that you can KO with Zap Cannon/Thunder?

Tri-Attack will hit pretty much anything neutral to Thunder/Zap Cannon harder. Even stuff if it gets resisted, Tri-Attack will have 90 Base Power, with 100 Accuracy (80*1.5*1.5/2=90) A lot better than 100 BP with 50 Accuracy/120 with 70.

So, you did the caculations, eh? That's what I really needed. Thanks... I'll change it to the Standard. Expect a new Set. (Except running only the useful Standards, without the "Garbage.") I will edit the first post to change Zap Cannon, and the set completely around..

Anti December 20th, 2007 6:52 PM

Several problems with the set. You nasty plot and then realise you can't outspeed anything :/ You need sub with nasty plot IMO, or bulk to survive hits. But I'd run timid since you are going to run into serious problems with that speed.

But without STAB, you totally defeat the purpose of adaptability. Really, the thing needs a STAB, that's its greatest strangth :/

shedinjask December 21st, 2007 5:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Towlie (Post 3184148)
Even stuff if it gets resisted, Tri-Attack will have 90 Base Power, with 100 Accuracy (80*1.5*1.5/2=90)

That's actually 80 BP, (80*2/2=80).

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 6:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3183428)
Good job on a "powerful" Porygon-Z Waker. One fix though: Download doesn't take the opponent's stat changes for its own. What it does is adjust it's Special Attack or Attack based on the Pokemon's Defenses. If the opponent has a weaker Defense, it will increase Porygon-Z's Attack. And vice versa for Special Defense / Special Attack.

I can't tell if the first sentence is sarcasm or not. Thanks for letting me know how Download works, though. This proves Download and Shadow Ball work together, so it can work.

I posted the standard because I assume that not everybody knows what it is, so people who post here will at least know what you're talking about when you say "standard", Itachi 2007.

Towlie December 21st, 2007 2:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shedinjask (Post 3185236)
That's actually 80 BP, (80*2/2=80).

How is that 80 BP?

80 BP Tri Attack * 1.5 (STAB) * 1.5 (Adaptablity) /2 (Resist)

1.5*1.5 is 2.25 not 2, lol.

Arcknight316 December 21st, 2007 2:34 PM

Adaptability cancels out STAB, i think.

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 2:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3186365)
Adaptability cancels out STAB, i think.

No, it boosts STAB to x2 or x2.25 for the user.

Arcknight316 December 21st, 2007 2:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3186379)
No, it boosts STAB to x2 or x2.25 for the user.

Well, yeah, it basically boosts STAB OR cancels out STAB (ironically, they both make sense)

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 2:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3186400)
Well, yeah, it basically boosts STAB OR cancels out STAB (ironically, they both make sense)

Well, Nintendo's guide for Diamond and Pearl states that Adaptability "doubles" the move used by a Pokémon of the same type. So it doesn't cancel the STAB. I think it turns the x1.5 for STAB into a x2.

Arcknight316 December 21st, 2007 2:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3186404)
Well, Nintendo's guide for Diamond and Pearl states that Adaptability "doubles" the move used by a Pokémon of the same type. So it doesn't cancel the STAB. I think it turns the x1.5 for STAB into a x2.

Well, I read somewhere that Adaptability is 2x, while STAB is 1.5x. However, when Adaptability is in effect, there is no STAB. So the total boost is 2x.

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 3:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3186423)
Well, I read somewhere that Adaptability is 2x, while STAB is 1.5x. However, when Adaptability is in effect, there is no STAB. So the total boost is 2x.

Like I said, I think Adaptability boosts the STAB from x1.5 to x2. So it doesn't cancel the STAB, it makes the STAB more powerful.

Arcknight316 December 21st, 2007 3:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3186451)
Like I said, I think Adaptability boosts the STAB from x1.5 to x2. So it doesn't cancel the STAB, it makes the STAB more powerful.

Let's stop arguing, it's really the same thing.

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 3:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3186512)
Let's stop arguing, it's really the same thing.

Not really. Canceling something means that there's nothing there to replace it; boosting means an increase, obviously. You're 10, so I wouldn't expect you to know that (no offense).

But yes, let's end this argument.

Arcknight316 December 21st, 2007 3:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3186523)
Not really. Canceling something means that there's nothing there to replace it; boosting means an increase, obviously. You're 10, so I wouldn't expect you to know that (no offense).

But yes, let's end this argument.

No offense taken. But I can tell you this much: I probably know more about Pokemon than your average 10-year old.

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 3:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3186552)
No offense taken. But I can tell you this much: I probably know more about Pokemon than your average 10-year old.

Because your average 10-year old doesn't bother doing his/her research, I'll bet. :)

luke December 21st, 2007 3:54 PM

darkknight, no one cares about your knowledge base. ^.^; And I wasn't being sarcastic Waker. I was seriously complimenting you. Adaptability works to just boost the STAB. It does nothing to "remove STAB." If you're a Normal-type, you only get STAB on Normal-type attacks. With Adaptability, that damage amount is increased. So you can't remove STAB the Pokemon didn't have already.

Arcknight316 December 21st, 2007 3:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3186567)
darkknight, no one cares about your knowledge base. ^.^; And I wasn't being sarcastic Waker. I was seriously complimenting you. Adaptability works to just boost the STAB. It does nothing to "remove STAB." If you're a Normal-type, you only get STAB on Normal-type attacks. With Adaptability, that damage amount is increased. So you can't remove STAB the Pokemon didn't have already.

Yeah, I know, but no one cares about my age either, so Waker Of Chaos didn't have to point that out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3186565)
Because your average 10-year old doesn't bother doing his/her research, I'll bet. :)

Ding ding ding! You win the lottery! ^_^

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 3:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3186567)
And I wasn't being sarcastic Waker. I was seriously complimenting you.

Thanks for clarifying that. It's honestly hard to tell on the internet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3186570)
Ding ding ding! You win the lottery! ^_^

OMFG DO I WIN A PRIZE?!?!?!?! Give me money!!!!!


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