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Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 6:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3183428)
Good job on a "powerful" Porygon-Z Waker. One fix though: Download doesn't take the opponent's stat changes for its own. What it does is adjust it's Special Attack or Attack based on the Pokemon's Defenses. If the opponent has a weaker Defense, it will increase Porygon-Z's Attack. And vice versa for Special Defense / Special Attack.

I can't tell if the first sentence is sarcasm or not. Thanks for letting me know how Download works, though. This proves Download and Shadow Ball work together, so it can work.

I posted the standard because I assume that not everybody knows what it is, so people who post here will at least know what you're talking about when you say "standard", Itachi 2007.

Towlie December 21st, 2007 2:19 PM

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Originally Posted by shedinjask (Post 3185236)
That's actually 80 BP, (80*2/2=80).

How is that 80 BP?

80 BP Tri Attack * 1.5 (STAB) * 1.5 (Adaptablity) /2 (Resist)

1.5*1.5 is 2.25 not 2, lol.

Arcknight316 December 21st, 2007 2:34 PM

Adaptability cancels out STAB, i think.

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 2:42 PM

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Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3186365)
Adaptability cancels out STAB, i think.

No, it boosts STAB to x2 or x2.25 for the user.

Arcknight316 December 21st, 2007 2:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3186379)
No, it boosts STAB to x2 or x2.25 for the user.

Well, yeah, it basically boosts STAB OR cancels out STAB (ironically, they both make sense)

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 2:51 PM

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Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3186400)
Well, yeah, it basically boosts STAB OR cancels out STAB (ironically, they both make sense)

Well, Nintendo's guide for Diamond and Pearl states that Adaptability "doubles" the move used by a Pokémon of the same type. So it doesn't cancel the STAB. I think it turns the x1.5 for STAB into a x2.

Arcknight316 December 21st, 2007 2:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3186404)
Well, Nintendo's guide for Diamond and Pearl states that Adaptability "doubles" the move used by a Pokémon of the same type. So it doesn't cancel the STAB. I think it turns the x1.5 for STAB into a x2.

Well, I read somewhere that Adaptability is 2x, while STAB is 1.5x. However, when Adaptability is in effect, there is no STAB. So the total boost is 2x.

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 3:06 PM

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Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3186423)
Well, I read somewhere that Adaptability is 2x, while STAB is 1.5x. However, when Adaptability is in effect, there is no STAB. So the total boost is 2x.

Like I said, I think Adaptability boosts the STAB from x1.5 to x2. So it doesn't cancel the STAB, it makes the STAB more powerful.

Arcknight316 December 21st, 2007 3:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3186451)
Like I said, I think Adaptability boosts the STAB from x1.5 to x2. So it doesn't cancel the STAB, it makes the STAB more powerful.

Let's stop arguing, it's really the same thing.

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 3:37 PM

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Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3186512)
Let's stop arguing, it's really the same thing.

Not really. Canceling something means that there's nothing there to replace it; boosting means an increase, obviously. You're 10, so I wouldn't expect you to know that (no offense).

But yes, let's end this argument.

Arcknight316 December 21st, 2007 3:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3186523)
Not really. Canceling something means that there's nothing there to replace it; boosting means an increase, obviously. You're 10, so I wouldn't expect you to know that (no offense).

But yes, let's end this argument.

No offense taken. But I can tell you this much: I probably know more about Pokemon than your average 10-year old.

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 3:53 PM

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Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3186552)
No offense taken. But I can tell you this much: I probably know more about Pokemon than your average 10-year old.

Because your average 10-year old doesn't bother doing his/her research, I'll bet. :)

luke December 21st, 2007 3:54 PM

darkknight, no one cares about your knowledge base. ^.^; And I wasn't being sarcastic Waker. I was seriously complimenting you. Adaptability works to just boost the STAB. It does nothing to "remove STAB." If you're a Normal-type, you only get STAB on Normal-type attacks. With Adaptability, that damage amount is increased. So you can't remove STAB the Pokemon didn't have already.

Arcknight316 December 21st, 2007 3:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3186567)
darkknight, no one cares about your knowledge base. ^.^; And I wasn't being sarcastic Waker. I was seriously complimenting you. Adaptability works to just boost the STAB. It does nothing to "remove STAB." If you're a Normal-type, you only get STAB on Normal-type attacks. With Adaptability, that damage amount is increased. So you can't remove STAB the Pokemon didn't have already.

Yeah, I know, but no one cares about my age either, so Waker Of Chaos didn't have to point that out.

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Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3186565)
Because your average 10-year old doesn't bother doing his/her research, I'll bet. :)

Ding ding ding! You win the lottery! ^_^

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 3:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3186567)
And I wasn't being sarcastic Waker. I was seriously complimenting you.

Thanks for clarifying that. It's honestly hard to tell on the internet.

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Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3186570)
Ding ding ding! You win the lottery! ^_^

OMFG DO I WIN A PRIZE?!?!?!?! Give me money!!!!!


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