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Please help me with my team.
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Bold Nature 252 Def., 252 Sp.Def., 6 HP -Aromatherapy -Seismic toss -softboiled -thunder wave Natural Cure [email protected] Shell Impish Nature 252 HP, 156 Def, 96 Atk. -Brave Bird -Roost -Spikes -Roar Keen Eye [email protected]??? Adamant Nature 252 Atk, 156 HP, 96 Def. -Stealth Rock -Earthquake -Megahorn -Stone Edge Solid Rock [email protected] Specs Modest Nature 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spd, 6 Sp. Def -Flamethrower -Earth Power -Dragon Pulse -Dark Pulse Flash Fire [email protected] Orb Jolly Nature 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 Def -Swords Dance -Earthquake -Dragon Claw -Fire Fang Sand Veil [email protected]??? Naive Nature 252 Spd, 128 Sp. Atk., 128 Atk -Nasty Plot -Grass Knot -Close Combat -Flare Blitz Blaze Thanks! |
Thank you! Someone else who actually does a smart Blissey EV spread. =)
A little nit-pick, but go 20HP / 252Def / 12Spd / 224SpDef. That my friend is the best Blissey spread. For Heatran, go with Fire Blast>Flamethrwoer to 2HKO Cress. A neutral Fire Blast does more than a supper effective Dark Pulse btw. Stick in a Hidden Power [Grass/Ice/Electric] or Explosion to go out with a bang. 40HP / 216Spd / 252SpAtk is a better EV spread. Give Rhyperior Leftovers. Garchomp should have 16HP / 252Atk / 240Spd as the EV spread. It wants Substitute over Fire Fang. Infernape needs 24Atk / 232Spd / 252SpAtk and with Flamethrower>Flare Blitz. Give it Life Orb. Gyarados weak. |
I always thought flamethrower>fire blast because of the inaccuracy. Also, how will I be able to kill a gyarados without changing pokemon?
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Flamethrower can't guarentee a 2HKO on Cress ;__;. Also, did I mention Fire Blast also 2HKOs Blissey after a Flash Fire boost?
You may chose Stone Edge>Fire Fang on Chomp and Thunder Punch>Nasty Plot on Ape to help. |
I DO have a lot of fire, so I could go for stone edge on gar. I can easily get f-thrower/fire blast TMs, so I could do some experimenting. Also, why does bliss need speed?
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Bliss needs Spd EVs because outspeeds other Bliss, bulky Machamp, and the standard Azumarill.
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Kk. I will be back tomorrow since I have to go to bed, big test tomorrow...
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Good luck with the test and the team =)
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And you can't kill Gyarados without changing Pokemon. You REALLY can't kill Gyarados if it has a Dragon Dance on its belt. |
There is no significant difference between 656HP and 714HP. HP is of the least importance to Blissey. My spread, 20HP / 252Def / 12Spd / 224SpDef @ Calm nature, is the best Blissey spread, fact.
Does your EVs stop SpecsLuke Aura Sphere from 2HKOing you? Does it stop Flash Fired SpecsHeatran Fire Blast from 2HKOing you? Does it stop SpecsGar Focus Blast from 2HKOing you? Does it stop Nasty Plot Togekiss Aura Sphere from 2HKOing you? Does it stop MS Zapdos Thunderbolt 2HKOing you? Does it stop Modest Nasty Plot Life Orb Adaptabilty PorygonZ Hyper Beam from 0HKOing you? Come back and we'll talk whenever your "ideal" EV spread meets those special attacking threats. |
And has it occured to you that even with your SDef EVs, all they'll do is end up using said Metal Sound or Nasty Plot TWICE?
And with no defense or HP EVs, it's not taking Physical Hits very well at all. And tell me one thing, who uses Choice Specs when it doesn't have the Speed OR the Defense to abuse it with? |
flamehaze, I'm going to be blunt because it's been made clear to me that those who frequent this section feel the same: your attitude has been far from stellar. We don't doubt you have a vast amount of knowledge on Pokemon Battling. -- We can see that by your usual workable sets with the explanations to back them up. However, there are differing opinions, and you need to accept that. So stop with the:
It's a fact. The only truth. You get the picture. Just post your move set, include your explanation and move on. If you continue this attitude, there will be consequences. Thank you. |
How do I do a formal quote?
[email protected] Bold Nature 212 HP / 252 Def / 44 SDef -Aromatherapy -Seismic toss -softboiled -thunder wave Natural Cure Moveset is fine, EVs weren't. Can't decide who's EVs to use... [email protected] Shell Impish Nature 208 HP / 216 Def / 84 Atk -Brave Bird -Roost -Spikes -Whirlwind Keen Eye Go find yourself a Staravia and breed Whirlwind onto it. Is there even a difference between roar and whirlwind? [email protected] Band Adamant Nature 252 Atk, 252 HP -Avalanche -Earthquake -Megahorn -Stone Edge Solid Rock Rhyperior sucks at Stealth Rock. It's much better as a wrecking ball CB Attacker. Okay... [email protected] Scarf Timid Nature 252 Sp. Atk, 224 Spd, 32 HP -Flamethrower -Earth Power -Dragon Pulse -Hidden Power (Electric) Flash Fire Heatran is too slow to use Choice Specs. Either Scarf it, or beef it with Defense and HP. Sorry, bad HP. any other options? [email protected] Scarf Adamant Nature 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 SAtk -Stone Edge -Earthquake -Dragon Claw / Outrage -Fire Blast Sand Veil this guy was supposed to be physical, so why FB? [email protected] Belt / Life Orb Naive Nature 92 Atk / 232 Spd / 184 SAtk -Nasty Plot -Grass Knot -Close Combat -Fire Blast Blaze Better EVs. Needs Fire Blast for Skarmory optimization. Kay. |
Infernape cant use fire blast well, if it misses its screwed basically and Flamethrower will ohko Skarmory regardless =/
[email protected] Orb Naive Nature 252 SP.ATT / 232 SPEED / 24 ATT - Nasty plot / Hidden power Ice / Hidden power Electric - Flamethrower - Grass Knot - Close Combat Ohkos Skarmory and Blissey. Now for fire blast on Garchomp (who is bulky enough to miss and doesnt get STAB therefore Fire blast is better than Flamethrower), its there for steels who resist your main move, outrage, it allows you to get rid of them and sweep and does more to Skarmory and Forretress than fire fang will. |
Ok. Here's how my team goes now...
[email protected] Bold Nature 212 HP / 252 Def / 44 SDef -Aromatherapy -Seismic toss -softboiled -thunder wave Natural Cure [email protected] Shell Impish Nature 208 HP / 216 Def / 84 Atk -Brave Bird -Roost -Spikes -Whirlwind/roar(no difference) Keen Eye [email protected] Band Adamant Nature 252 Atk, 252 HP -Avalanche -Earthquake -Megahorn -Stone Edge Solid Rock [email protected] Scarf Timid Nature 252 Sp. Atk, 224 Spd, 32 HP -Flamethrower -Earth Power -Dragon Pulse -Explosion Flash Fire [email protected] Scarf Adamant Nature 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 SAtk -Stone Edge -Earthquake -Dragon Claw -Fire Blast Sand Veil [email protected] Orb Naive Nature 92 Atk / 232 Spd / 184 SAtk -Nasty Plot -Grass Knot -Close Combat -Fire Blast Blaze |
Actually whirlwind can switch while roar can't on pokes with soundproof.
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Gyarados screws this team over :/ May I suggest Swampert w/ Stone Edge or Mixpert with HP [Elec] instead of Rhyperior?
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yah that rhyperior just doesn't fit. it's gotta go.
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Sort out Infernapes evs. Its made primarily for sp.sweeping and close combat is for special walls only.
24 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 232 SPEED. 24 att evs is all it needs to OHKO BLISSEY AND SNORLAX. |
Kk. I have an almost finalized team right now. Thanks for you guys' help!
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Against Snorlax, you only get as far as 92% Damage. Maybe I'm just insane for coverage and power, but if I'm going to let them live the bare minimum, just to get paralyzed, I'd rather not attack in the first place. That's how I feel about it, but hey, I'm in my own league, and you guys are in yours. How you use Infernape is your business. |
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I used MetalKid's Damage Calc. Expert Belt for the item is what I used.
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Lanturn can fit in OU. It just takes a bit of work and there are usually better things.
Sheddy for Boltbeam resist. Now. Or, since you have a massive Gyara weak, you can use Porygon2, Mesprit, or Gardevoir. |
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I was going on 148 HP / 252 DEF / 4 SP.DEF / 104 SP.ATT Blissey which is extremely common when people want to pack more damage on Ice Beam. 24 ATT EV Life Orb Infernape Defender HP: 358 Damage: 334 - 393 Damage: 93.30% - 109.78% On 148 Hp /252 DEF Blissey Thats what i got, you actually are meant to Nasty Plot, withdraw when their sp.wall comes out and send it back in, next turn Flamethrower when they send their sp.wall at you from seeing the earlier Nasty Plot so they think you are fully special and so they dont switch and Close Combat them which is a ohko after Flamethrower or Stealth Rock damage. Mix Ape is also meant primarily for sp.sweeping , and it needs max sp.att to hope to 2hko Gyarados with Grass Knot, Ohko Hippowdan,Donphan, Rhyperior <Insert wall weak to Grass Knot here>. Flamethrower also cannot ohko Bronzong without max or close to max sp.att investments. I apologize for not explaining myself earlier |
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Shedinja lols. It's hard to use and requires the right team, and I doubt it would work with this one. But it's great fun.
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Nobody uses hyper beam Pory Z. Anybody who does will just get their Pory Z OHKOed anyways. So it wouldn't destroy the whole team, just blissey. Besides, Rhyperior shrugs off ice beam and nails that puppy with EQ. The real problem on this team is the lack of heracross coverage. Skarm handles scarf variants, but CB can be a rough ride. Since fighting attacks demolish your team, trouble awaits. Also, Vire can be a nasty pain. But I wouldn't worry about that one since Rhyinferior covers it. |
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I think you did. Max HP/SDef Rhyperior takes 63.36% - 74.65% from Specs Timid Ice Beam.
Except I just realized that Metalkid's calc is ignoring Solid Rock. To Serebii! EDIT: Serebii is being cheap as hell and only gives the formula. To Psypokes! EDIT: Well Psypokes has a **** calc. Know of any others? EDIT: I have conquered the monstrosity that is Psypokes damage calc. Min is 57.2%. Pwned. |
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ScarfgonZ won't OHKO Bliss though. :O
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