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Mechanic December 20th, 2007 9:29 AM

Idea for a new type of competitive battle
 
Theres this idea that has been running through my mind lately and its...

Using baby Pokemon's to battle, such as eevee, charmander, totodile, etc. Only the ones that can evolve, Pokemon's such as heracross cant fit into the category because, ok, hes what we would call a baby Pokemon but hes stats are way too high to be considered into the category D: Also only pokemon that can evolve are inside the category

I think that making a team with only baby pokemon should be easier, less time consuming and more fun to try hence its just awkward to use baby Pokemon's to battle xD.

I would love to see positive feedback toward this thread since its something revolutionary that may change the way we do competitive battles in a lot of ways ^_^

Toodles :3 C&S plox

Twinx December 20th, 2007 9:39 AM

mm that would be similar to Pokemon Stadium's Lv.5 tournaments. Am I right?
If I recall correctly, the game randomly picks out baby pokémon for you to battle with...

Mechanic December 20th, 2007 9:44 AM

Yep, that was one cool kind of play i just cant forget about xD thats why im suggesting to do the same in here so we could see the mights of baby`s.

Its just much more cuter to see a cindaquyl than a typlosion for me out in battle (im a cinda friki ;D) Lets just try to put this idea up for the posterity and make it get accepted

Twinx December 20th, 2007 9:52 AM

mm it sounds amusing, but I guess someone will have to make a list of the eligible Pokémon. I'll guess I'll wait and see what the others will say...

El Gofre December 20th, 2007 10:15 AM

This sounds fun, I would do it :) except i would put on a more specific criteria to stop hard-knock pokes being used, Eg:
*Pokes must be Lvl5 at the most
*All pokemon must be base form
*The pokemon must be able to evolve
*The maximum total of base stats per poke is 350

How does that sound? If you decide to do it tell me and Im in :)

Shiny Umbreon December 20th, 2007 10:35 AM

Thigns like this should be discussed in Strategies & Movesets.

-MOVED-

LethalTexture December 20th, 2007 10:41 AM

This sounds good. I'd back this 100%. EV training a Pichu sounds fun to me :D

Samson December 20th, 2007 11:04 AM

actually, wouldn't pichu be the baby? XD

anywho, i don't think it would be very "competitive" in terms of continuing to have them, but you could have tournaments once in a while.

El Gofre December 20th, 2007 11:10 AM

Its sorta compoetetive, Its a challenge to see who can get the most EVs into 4 levels, thats some skillage lol.

And I think he said pichu :S

Iceman3k December 20th, 2007 12:11 PM

This is why the Novelty, and hardly ever considered, UE Metagame exists.

Anti December 20th, 2007 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3k (Post 3183737)
This is why the Novelty, and hardly ever considered, UE Metagame exists.

I actually like lpaying with UE pokemon quite a lot. I've trickbanded my fair share of chanseys, and in some cases, blisseys, with kadabra :P

And Arena trap Trapinch is really fun to use. It's like mini (and slower than crap) dugtrio.

Toodlies December 20th, 2007 12:35 PM

I believe this is called Little Cup.

Samson December 20th, 2007 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3183741)
I actually like lpaying with UE pokemon quite a lot. I've trickbanded my fair share of chanseys, and in some cases, blisseys, with kadabra :P

And Arena trap Trapinch is really fun to use. It's like mini (and slower than crap) dugtrio.

but it hits a whole lot harder than dugtrio and in some cases, may be able to take a hit.

Anti December 20th, 2007 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samson (Post 3183822)
but it hits a whole lot harder than dugtrio and in some cases, may be able to take a hit.

It actually has a harder-hitting EQ with 100 base Atk. I've actually killed a few blisseys with it :P

The baby thing is fun though. Still, it isn't nearly as strategic as other metagames. Since there aren't many differences between pokemon besides movepools and resisitances, stats are really similar.

Mechanic December 20th, 2007 12:55 PM

Well guys seeing all the good and positive responses i have gotten in here then prepare yourself, because im going to start working on this project, 1st to select the pokemons that can go into the baby cup and then organizing everything with a really good and formal thread and hopes it gets stickied or whatsover ill start later, just came from a party and im pretty much wasted.

My reasoning is pretty not good atm so just excuse me but i will start tonight so don't worry :P

Anti December 20th, 2007 12:58 PM

I call Trapinch :P Seriously...and diglett :P Seriously...lol

But I support the idea. Maybe talking with a mod about it to help get it organized. That would be a good time.

El Gofre December 20th, 2007 1:08 PM

Yeah if you do start this up gimme a PM, and rather than spendin ages on comin up with a huge list just put a set criteria like the one i did (But better lol) that way everyone's saved time.

This will be fun :)

Mechanic December 20th, 2007 1:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3183918)
Yeah if you do start this up gimme a PM, and rather than spendin ages on comin up with a huge list just put a set criteria like the one i did (But better lol) that way everyone's saved time.

This will be fun :)

Well i think the same and also i think that one rule 1 would be use any pokemon that can evolve in hes first form.

Then second. Any pokemon base stat at lvl 100 (we talking about lvl 100 fellas =.=) cant exceed 350 with just plain IV`s, with the EV`s it can go more on and also the only exception can be HP that can go on and forth (talk about munchlax happinny or jigglypuff).

I can also come up with A LOT more of rules that arent the ones i alredy said but i better take it calmly take a rest and turn the friggen A/C on, im burning in hereeeeee!!!! >.<

El Gofre December 20th, 2007 1:23 PM

If you want I could come up with a criteria while you work out structure and other fun rules? I have a lotta time on my hands and this is a fun little project :)

Mechanic December 20th, 2007 1:28 PM

Well, since i have a lot of time in my hands also i will do this 100% sure...

I have this idea to do tourney's of baby pokemon fighting to gain rare items (i can get the prizes so there are no probs on this ones so don't worry about it) so people can get them to their competitive team (but since the demands on rare items such as the Choice ones and all the others are high i bet a lot of people will come up to the arena to get them ^_^) So if anyone else wants to integrate into the project just scream like no tomorrow and i will PM you my MSN :3

Unistachio December 20th, 2007 1:52 PM

I would think that the battle style would be kind of cool... but what do i know? A nd could you quit the trapinch signature? It gets annoying after seing at a million times

Mechanic December 20th, 2007 2:23 PM

That will just be there a little longer (like a week or so) so bear with it until then xD

And regarding this, me and Gofre already started putting the criteria for the battles up for you all and we will talk to a mod in a day or two after getting it more organized and also the only uber allowed would be Phione since the stats are low but high at the same time so don't worry you wont get OHKO by it, specially with the things we have came up already xD

Archer December 20th, 2007 2:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3183574)
This sounds fun, I would do it :) except i would put on a more specific criteria to stop hard-knock pokes being used, Eg:
*Pokes must be Lvl5 at the most
*All pokemon must be base form
*The pokemon must be able to evolve
*The maximum total of base stats per poke is 350

How does that sound? If you decide to do it tell me and Im in :)

Here is a list of Pokemon with a Total Base of 360 or less, I did this because i though Elekid Deserves a place in this. I also filtered out those who cannot evolve.

Sunkern
Azurill
Kricketot
Caterpie
Weedle
Wurmple
Ralts
Magikarp
Feebas
Metapod
Kakuna
Pichu
Silcoon
Cascoon
Igglybuff
Wooper
Tyrogue
Sentret
Cleffa
Poochyena
Lotad
Seedot
Happiny
Burmy
Makuhita
Zigzagoon
Whismur
Combee
Zubat
Togepi
Starly
Spinarak
Marill
Hoppip
Slugma
Swinub
Bidoof
Pidgey
Rattata
Skitty
Wynaut
Spearow
Hoothoot
Shinx
Diglett
Ledyba
Nincada
Surskit
Jigglypuff
Taillow
Wingull
Nidoran-M
Nidoran-F
Cherubi
Kirlia
Mareep
Slakoth
Meditite
Budew
Paras
Chingling
Riolu
Ekans
Barboach
Meowth
Pineco
Trapinch
Spheal
Bonsly
Horsea
Shroomish
Electrike
Shuppet
Duskull
Vulpix
Pikachu
Sandshrew
Poliwag
Bellsprout
Geodude
Dratini
Snubbull
Remoraid
Larvitar
Baltoy
Snorunt
Bagon
Beldum
Bronzor
Gible
Croagunk
Gulpin
Venonat
Mankey
Machop
Shellder
Smoochum
Carvanha
Numel
Corphish
Charmander
Cyndaquil
Chimchar
Abra
Doduo
Gastly
Treecko
Torchic
Mudkip
Swablu
Glameow
Mime Jr.
Squirtle
Totodile
Piplup
Slowpoke
Bulbasaur
Chikorita
Turtwig
Oddish
Psyduck
Cubone
Goldeen
Natu
Clefairy
Magnemite
Seel
Grimer
Krabby
Exeggcute
Eevee
Shellos
Drowzee
Stunky
Voltorb
Chinchou
Teddiursa
Houndour
Phanpy
Aron
Spoink
Buizel
Hippopotas
Skorupi
Finneon
Snover
Tentacool
Cacnea
Koffing
Staryu
Skiploom
Lombre
Nuzleaf
Vibrava
Staravia
Rhyhorn
Clamperl
Mantyke
Drifloon
Pidgeotto
Growlithe
Cranidos
Shieldon
Buneary
Omanyte
Kabuto
Lileep
Anorith
Aipom
Elekid
Loudred

Cactus Twist December 20th, 2007 7:54 PM

how about all lvl 1s, I already do that occasionally with people. You can't use any pokemon that don't evolve, such as Heracross, Pinsir, Lapras, etc. and they can't be evolved forms, even if they are lvl 1, like any of the Insence Pokemon i.e. Marill, Snorlax, Roselia, etc.

They are some pretty intense, though short, battles, and the teams pretty much change constantly since it is so easy to just breed a new team.

shedinjask December 21st, 2007 5:40 AM

At level 1, all stats are either 5, 6, or 7. Not fun.

Another thing about it is that the Pokemon must have always had an evo. No Sneasel or Tangela, too strong.

Mechanic December 21st, 2007 5:44 AM

Guys dont worry me and Gofre ar covering everything up, you will see in some days how much effort we have putted into it and also how it would be.

We got a hackproof no failing system so just lay back and see ^_^

Hey guys dont worry because me and Gofre got everything covered up, we have a strong hackproof and fun system that will make EVERYTHING fair and fun at the same time ^_^ isnt that cool?

And also i will start helding baby tournies when everything is up and the prizes will be pretty much really good (to incentivate people on participating there are more than just three places in our tour`s).

Also archer you missed some pokes inside the list, like Pikachu, he aint a baby, Pichu is in that evo line xD and also Staravia isnt one either its Starly and no Loudred Whishmur is, baby pokemon stands for the first evolution not the rest xD Because some of the pokes cant be obtained at the rule we are going to put in and we just decided to ban them and stay with the babies as it is xD.

Well people just stick around and you will see a lot of things going on :3

.Aero December 21st, 2007 6:46 AM

Interesting idea. ^^ The only drawback is the game would be more of luck. It's almost impossible to get more than 4 EVs into a pokemon before it reaches level 5. You'll need a lot of TMs too if you want to have any good moves on your pokes. (I'm good on that though. I think...haha)

I'd be interested in joining the tournament if it's made. I've done something similar of level 1 pokemon, that didn't work so well because that was all luck. (Like a flamethrower killing my Wooper, most messed up thing ever. xD)

Give me a PM when you're ready to have the tournament. If you need any help, I could help organize it if you wish. I'm off for break now and I have a lot of time on my hands. ^^

~desu Saba~

shedinjask December 21st, 2007 6:53 AM

It's possible to fully EV train a Pokemon before level 5. There's a guide somewhere on Smogon, it involves a lot of EXP Shares and vitamins.

El Gofre December 21st, 2007 7:07 AM

Thats a challenge for you then, seeing how well you can EV. If you can efficiently fit enough points in at a low level, surely you stand a chance of winning?

Mechanic December 21st, 2007 7:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shedinjask (Post 3185335)
It's possible to fully EV train a Pokemon before level 5. There's a guide somewhere on Smogon, it involves a lot of EXP Shares and vitamins.

Ok i guess a spoiler is good xD S you guys don't go aggro on us he he

- The battles will be 4v4 Because 6 pokemons will take too long and 3 would be just a little.

- The max lvl is 25 (by then you can fully EV if your smart and rich)

I hope this info makes people happy and more interested in what we are trying to accomplish in here ^_^ This project will evolve the way we think about certain pokes and will truly help us on becoming better trainers :3

Well thats all the spoilers i can give at the moment but hang in there, my pc got its internet back so now i can work faster on putting everything on so we`ll talk later.

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 7:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unit101 (Post 3183531)
Theres this idea that has been running through my mind lately and its...

Using baby Pokemon's to battle, such as eevee, charmander, totodile, etc. Only the ones that can evolve, Pokemon's such as heracross cant fit into the category because, ok, hes what we would call a baby Pokemon but hes stats are way too high to be considered into the category D: Also only pokemon that can evolve are inside the category

I think that making a team with only baby pokemon should be easier, less time consuming and more fun to try hence its just awkward to use baby Pokemon's to battle xD.

I would love to see positive feedback toward this thread since its something revolutionary that may change the way we do competitive battles in a lot of ways ^_^

Toodles :3 C&S plox

Heracross isn't a "baby Pokémon", but a "basic" one (you can blame the TCG for this).

Don't allow Phione.

Any "baby Pokémon", such as Pichu, can enter.

Am I understanding this "baby clause" of yours correctly?

El Gofre December 21st, 2007 7:19 AM

As co-creator of this thread i can comfirm we are not allowing phione. As well as settin a limit to base and baby pokemon (Baby evoultions being considered base pokemon), we setting a limit on the maximum total of base stats, as to stop people using aerodactyl just cuz he's a base :)

EDIT: Not co-creator of the thread, but co-creator of rules and general helper to unit, he gets the credit :)

.Aero December 21st, 2007 7:33 AM

I forgot about the vitamins. xD Yeah so you can get up to 100 in the stats you want to EV train in. The problem is, well in my opinion, we won't get the complete benefit from EV training. They evenly add themselves as the pokemon levels up. So if you got 252 in one stat, divide by four (because we're playing of level 25) and you get 63. Divide that by four and you get 15.75. So that's all the bonus you'll get by level 25 if you fully EV train in one stat. Not that much in my opinion, but nonetheless, great idea and I will work on it.

P.S. It might be hard to keep the pokemon at level 25, and not accidentally go over. Especially if you go through the Elite Four with Experience Share. (I reached about 27 first time through experience sharing from level one.) Just a heads up though...might take a while to get a good team. I'll start working on one. xD

~desu Saba~

shedinjask December 21st, 2007 7:43 AM

Are Sonicboom and Dragon Rage still banned at lv25?

Also I can confirm that it's possible to fully EV a Pokemon at level 5. It helps that 252 isn't max anymore, something around 170 is. Max depends on the base stat, I'll see if I can find that Smogon guide.

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 7:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shedinjask (Post 3185389)
Are Sonicboom and Dragon Rage still banned at lv25?

Also I can confirm that it's possible to fully EV a Pokemon at level 5. It helps that 252 isn't max anymore, something around 170 is. Max depends on the base stat, I'll see if I can find that Smogon guide.

I'd say that Dragon Rage is, at least. Sonic Boom, maybe.

.Aero December 21st, 2007 8:09 AM

I agree that Dragon Rage should be banned still. What would our max HP be around? 100+ for high HP pokemon? 40 is just too much. Sonicboom I'll have to see what others say.

I understand about being able to fully EV train a pokemon by level 5, it doesn't matter though because not all the work you put into would go into effect. That's the problem. Doest matter though, you'll get at least some boost.

How is 170 max when you can get up to 255 EVs in two stats? (Then you're done because you can only put 510 in each pokemon)

~desu Saba~

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 8:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabaku no Gaara (Post 3185425)
(Then you're done because you can only put 510 in each pokemon)

~desu Saba~

Not quite. You still have six left over, with which you can slightly boost a third stat.

shedinjask December 21st, 2007 8:29 AM

Quote:

How is 170 max when you can get up to 255 EVs in two stats?
Of course you can put 255 in one stat. But after 170 or so, it won't have any effect. Like after 252 you aren't boosting stats anymore in level 100 Pokemon.

.Aero December 21st, 2007 8:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3185449)
Not quite. You still have six left over, with which you can slightly boost a third stat.

No you don't. I said 255, max is 510. I know what I'm talking about. (You're thinking of the 252, which is more reasonable then 255, I mentioned earlier.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by shedinjask (Post 3185453)
Of course you can put 255 in one stat. But after 170 or so, it won't have any effect. Like after 252 you aren't boosting stats anymore in level 100 Pokemon.

How so? I still don't understand because in competitive teams I've seen, a lot of pokemon have 252/4 spreads.

EDIT: I'm so confused. xD I know 252 is the top that can be helpful (because it has to be divisible by four, 255 leaving an extra useless 3). I'm asking why you say after 170 it's pointless to go any further. Is it because the stats won't be added in after that until level 100?

~desu Saba~

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 8:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabaku no Gaara (Post 3185464)
No you don't. I said 255, max is 510. I know what I'm talking about. (You're thinking of the 252, which is more reasonable then 255, I mentioned earlier.)

~desu Saba~

Oh, whoops. My bad.

Anyway, even without leveling up, doesn't the Pokémon's stats change accordingly when you use vitamins?

shedinjask December 21st, 2007 8:39 AM

Yeah, I think that's what I'm saying. It's pointless to go further than ~170 because the stats won't increase any more at that level. Of course 170 is just a number that's sort of close to the actual number which you'll have to look up. I forget it atm.

Also, the maxing point depends on the stat. At level 100, max is always 252. But at level 5, it changes depending on the base stat or something. It's complicated, and I know there's a guide somewhere but I can't find it.

EDIT: You can deposit the Pokemon in the box or level it up for the vitamins to take effect.

.Aero December 21st, 2007 8:40 AM

They do somewhat. Think about it. You get 10 from each vitamin, equaling +2 to a stat (because 8/4=2). How often do you see the change the vitamin causes increase by 2? Only once in a while (like every three I think) which means all the EVs aren't being put in right then and there. On the second vitamin if that happened, it'd go up three. (8/4=2+1=3, if you don't know how I got this, just ask)

EDIT: Does that trick really work? (The boxing one) I've never heard it before, but probably because it doesn't really matter because most people play level 100 battles.

EDIT2: Ok, I got my team together. Not the best, but since this is the place to post teams for rating:

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Diglett@Choice Scarf
Jolly~252 Speed/Attack; 4 HP
Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Aerial Ace
Sucker Punch

~Physical Sweeper (yes I stole Diglett. xD)

Porygon@Choice Specs
Modest~252 Special Attack/HP; 4 Speed
Tri Attack
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Shadow Ball

~Special Sweeper

Onix@Leftovers
Impish~252 Defense/HP; 4 Attack
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Rest
Sleep Talk

~Physical Wall

Mantyke@Leftovers
Bold~252 Special Defense/HP; 4 Special Attack
Surf
Aerial Ace
Hidden Power [Ground]
Aqua Ring

~Special Wall (Amazing special defense stat ^^)

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I need help with the EV spread because of what shedinjask has been saying.

~desu Saba~

Mechanic December 21st, 2007 8:52 AM

The boxing trick doesnt work no more D: D/P out it out (well last time i tried it didn't work...)

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 8:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabaku no Gaara (Post 3185486)
Diglett@Choice Scarf
Jolly~252 Speed/Attack; 4 HP
Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Aerial Ace
Sucker Punch

~Physical Sweeper (yes I stole Diglett. xD)

Hang on, how does a thumb with a face sticking out of the ground use Sucker Punch?!

Sora_8920 December 21st, 2007 9:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3185521)
Hang on, how does a thumb with a face sticking out of the ground use Sucker Punch?!

The hell? Anyways.. It can learn it.. Click here to learn how Diglett learns Sucker Punch!

.Aero December 21st, 2007 9:02 AM

xD Good point, but it learns it at level 23. xD It probably is so dang fast though, that when if comes out to punch, it's back in its hole in less than 0.000000001 seconds. xD Or he just does it.

I have a grass/water weakness on two of my pokemon (x4 on Onix. DX) so I'm thinking of replacing Mantyke's Ground Hidden Power for a Grass or elecrtic one. (Water would be more common to encounter than grass would) I'm leaning more towards Grass because it can also take care of those pesky Water/Ground types aside from normal water types.

~desu Saba~

Sora_8920 December 21st, 2007 9:06 AM

Or maybe It's hands are underground in the hole. XD. Either way, it can learn it. And as Sabaku said, at Level 23.

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 9:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabaku no Gaara (Post 3185538)
xD Good point, but it learns it at level 23. xD It probably is so dang fast though, that when if comes out to punch, it's back in its hole in less than 0.000000001 seconds. xD Or he just does it.

I have a grass/water weakness on two of my pokemon (x4 on Onix. DX) so I'm thinking of replacing Mantyke's Ground Hidden Power for a Grass or elecrtic one. (Water would more common to encounter than grass would) I'm leaning more towards Grass because it can also take care of those pesky Water/Ground types aside from normal water types.

~desu Saba~

Well, there's also the idea of making Hidden Power the Flying type, so that it becomes a STAB move and covers the Grass weakness. Then you could use something else instead of Aerial Ace, like Agility, Confuse Ray, Haze, Signal Beam, or Toxic.

El Gofre December 21st, 2007 9:10 AM

Seeing as people are already posting teams, Im sure unit and I will soon have to post a full team criteria. Its up to Unit, but im guessing this will be happening soon after christmas, so everyone has time to train.

Some good points have been raised that will help us set the criterea to be fairer :)

.Aero December 21st, 2007 9:13 AM

Yeah, that could work. Haze would be my choice, but I figured that stat raising moves wouldn't be too ample in this kind of battle. But maybe. So it's between Signal Beam and Agility for me. Don't know though. I need suggestions on all three actually.

Better idea. Why would I choose Agility over Rain Dance? (Swift Swim ability) Water absorb would be pointless because people wouldn't even try to hit it with water type attacks. Plus I get added damage to Surf, which actually can be very helpful (as I have figured out Sunny Day can really help kill my soon to be awesome Bronzong. xD)

EDIT: And me being the idiot that I am, I just realized that I can't get Aqua Ring on him. He doesn't learn it at level 25 or lower. XP Kills that idea.

EDIT2: Ice beam and HP [Grass] = Grass and Water killing. But if I were to choose a HP for keeping him alive, I'd keep it ground because weakness to Rock and Electric.

~desu Saba~

Mechanic December 21st, 2007 9:31 AM

Hmm guys i am here now to help you on the EV`s and how to have them at the maximum by lvl 25...

And thats just simple math, to have the stat you want max at lvl 25 then 63 points is more than enough because it wont have more effect other than that max (so thats 15 extra points to a stat you want)

As you see i always say everything as clearer and shorter as possible but anyways a lot of questions will pop up so enjoy while i can (gtg work in about 30-40 minutes) :3

ultranerd57 December 21st, 2007 9:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabaku no Gaara (Post 3185486)
They do somewhat. Think about it. You get 10 from each vitamin, equaling +2 to a stat (because 8/4=2). How often do you see the change the vitamin causes increase by 2? Only once in a while (like every three I think) which means all the EVs aren't being put in right then and there. On the second vitamin if that happened, it'd go up three. (8/4=2+1=3, if you don't know how I got this, just ask)

EDIT: Does that trick really work? (The boxing one) I've never heard it before, but probably because it doesn't really matter because most people play level 100 battles.

EDIT2: Ok, I got my team together. Not the best, but since this is the place to post teams for rating:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Diglett@Choice Scarf
Jolly~252 Speed/Attack; 4 HP
Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Aerial Ace
Sucker Punch

~Physical Sweeper (yes I stole Diglett. xD)

Stealth rock with Choice scarf = fail use the Stone edge TM.


Porygon@Choice Specs
Modest~252 Special Attack/HP; 4 Speed
Tri Attack
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Shadow Ball

~Special Sweeper

Its not classified as a sweeper if it isn't fast enough its more of a special tank I suppose. But good.


Onix@Leftovers
Impish~252 Defense/HP; 4 Attack
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Rest
Sleep Talk

~Physical Wall

Mantyke@Leftovers
Bold~252 Special Defense/HP; 4 Special Attack
Surf
Aerial Ace
Hidden Power [Ground]
Aqua Ring

~Special Wall (Amazing special defense stat ^^)

Somehow I don't see a physical move working out to great on this guy but I don't know any other moves for it maybe Ice beam?

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I need help with the EV spread because of what shedinjask has been saying.

~desu Saba~


Changes in bold.


This sounds fun. Its like a test to see if you can properly train pokemon at any level.

Mechanic December 21st, 2007 9:38 AM

Before i forget to mention some of the things in the rules, don't start planning your teams so deeply (this goes to you Sabaku no Gaara :P) because we are banning some items that will just be ridiculous to have in such low lvl battles (talking about the Choice items and some more) because if you where able to use ANY item then you could sweep most of a player`s team with just one pokemon (That Digglet got the creeps outta me xD) Mmm leftover`s are still in, just put it to all the pokes and hope for the best with the team.

ultranerd57 December 21st, 2007 9:52 AM

I got a team for this as well:

[email protected] choice band
EVs: 252atk/ 100hp/ 156spd
Hasty
-Aerial Ace
-Return
-Pursuit
-U-turn

Hp is to survive at least one hit and lol at my opponent.


[email protected] leftovers
EVs: 252hp/ 100spdef/156def
Adamant
-Return
-Wish
-Curse
-Toxic

Special Wall

[email protected] choice scarf
EVs: 252spd/ 252spatk/ 6hp
Modest
-Extrasensory
-Grass Knot
-Hidden Power Ground
-Charge beam

Special sweeper

[email protected] leftovers
EVs: 252hp/ 160def/ 96spdef
Relaxed
-Avalanche
-Leech seed
-Seed Bomb
-Swords Dance/ Return/ Toxic/ Grasswhistle

Can't decide on last move for him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by unit101 (Post 3185615)
Before i forget to mention some of the things in the rules, don't start planning your teams so deeply (this goes to you Sabaku no Gaara :P) because we are banning some items that will just be ridiculous to have in such low lvl battles (talking about the Choice items and some more) because if you where able to use ANY item then you could sweep most of a player`s team with just one pokemon (That Digglet got the creeps outta me xD) Mmm leftover`s are still in, just put it to all the pokes and hope for the best with the team.

What about life orb and expert belt?

El Gofre December 21st, 2007 9:56 AM

Nice idea ultranerd, but we might be banning choice items as they bring their respective stat way higher than a lvl 25 could realistically hit.

ultranerd57 December 21st, 2007 9:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3185654)
Nice idea ultranerd, but we might be banning choice items as they bring their respective stat way higher than a lvl 25 could realistically hit.

Ok then I'll ask you.

What about Life orb and Expert belt?

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3185643)
[email protected] choice scarf
EVs: 252spd/ 252spatk/ 6hp
Modest
-Extrasensory
-Grass Knot
-Hidden Power Ground
-Charge beam

Special sweeper/ Tank

This is not a tank. This is a full fledged special sweeper. There is no defensive strategy here, only offense. A tank can take hits; this can't with that EV spread.

I just thought I should point that out.

El Gofre December 21st, 2007 10:05 AM

Like We've said, its in the early stages and we're looking throught for items and moves which could be potentially all-powerful. We dont want people concentrating on a single 'all powerful' poke, its aimed at theme and fun.

ultranerd57 December 21st, 2007 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3185663)
This is not a tank. This is a full fledged special sweeper. There is no defensive strategy here, only offense. A tank can take hits; this can't with that EV spread.

I just thought I should point that out.

I said special tank because it has a Base spdef of 80 so it can take a couple of special attacks.

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultranerd57 (Post 3185691)
I said special tank because it has a Base spdef of 80 so it can take a couple of special attacks.

That doesn't matter. You gave no EVs to HP, Defense, or Special Defense, and all four of your Spoink's moves are attacks. That makes it a special sweeper, regardless of whether it can take a hit.

ultranerd57 December 21st, 2007 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3185698)
That doesn't matter. You gave no EVs to HP, Defense, or Special Defense, and all four of your Spoink's moves are attacks. That makes it a special sweeper, regardless of whether it can take a hit.

Ok its a sweeper that can take sp attacks I'll change it.

.Aero December 21st, 2007 10:23 AM

Yeah, I wasn't thinking too much when I made my team. xD (about the Stealth Rock/Choice Band. Stupid idea, sorry. xD Mantykes Aerial Ace will be switched out. Don't know what to put in though because I don't think it could learn Air Slash. Only thing that would get flying STAB would be hidden power, but I'm getting Grass HP. As for Porygon, I'm thinking of switching him out for a faster special sweeper. I noticed his speed sucked, just was getting lazy though. xD

As for the items, I understand it would overpower them, so I guess I'll just go with Leftovers unless one of the other items is allowed that people have mentioned. (i.e. Expert Belt) Life orb is almost the same as any choice item, just it takes from your health to attack.

~desu Saba~

Mechanic December 21st, 2007 10:27 AM

Hey guys theres something i want to know, how can i know what element my HP is? every time i teach it to any pokemon it just says that its a normal atk, how come??

Shiraishi December 21st, 2007 10:29 AM

Thats because GameFreak is stupid. Hidden Power (HP) should be a '???' type move like Curse is. It can be any type and it's power an be between 30-70. It depends on your IVs.

ultranerd57 December 21st, 2007 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabaku no Gaara (Post 3185720)
Yeah, I wasn't thinking too much when I made my team. xD (about the Stealth Rock/Choice Band. Stupid idea, sorry. xD Mantykes Aerial Ace will be switched out. Don't know what to put in though because I don't think it could learn Air Slash. Only thing that would get flying STAB would be hidden power, but I'm getting Grass HP. As for Porygon, I'm thinking of switching him out for a faster special sweeper. I noticed his speed sucked, just was getting lazy though. xD

~desu Saba~

For Mantyke the only other special attacks I found were Signal beam and Ice beam.

Quote:

Originally Posted by unit101 (Post 3185727)
Hey guys theres something i want to know, how can i know what element my HP is? every time i teach it to any pokemon it just says that its a normal atk, how come??

Hidden Power Calculator then write it down or memorize it.

.Aero December 21st, 2007 10:32 AM

Hidden Power Read this, it explains everything. (Sorry if linking to serebii is against the rules. XP)

As for my special sweeper, I'll use Ghastly instead. High speed and special attack. ^^

Ghastly@Leftovers
Timid~252 Special Attack/Speed; 4 HP
Hypnosis
Shadow Ball
Psychic
Energy Ball

Now that I have a grass type move on one of my pokemon, it opens up that Hidden Power slot on Mantyke for HP flying. ^^

~desu Saba~

ultranerd57 December 21st, 2007 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabaku no Gaara (Post 3185736)
Hidden Power Read this, it explains everything. (Sorry if linking to serebii is against the rules. XP)

As for my special sweeper, I'll use Ghastly instead. High speed and special attack. ^^

Ghastly@Leftovers
Timid~252 Special Attack/Speed; 4 HP
Hypnosis
Shadow Ball
Psychic
Energy Ball

Now that I have a grass type move on one of my pokemon, it opens up that Hidden Power slot on Mantyke for HP flying. ^^

~desu Saba~

If it learns it you might want to replace Psychic with Focus Blast and use Wide lens instead because low accuracy will aggrivate you to no end.

Anti December 21st, 2007 10:39 AM

Seriously, I SO called diglett, I was being serious >:0

But anyways, is this tourney over Shoddy or what? Because I don't have WiFi and I don't want to bug people calling trapinch and diglett if I can't participate.

.Aero December 21st, 2007 10:42 AM

It doesn't learn Focus Blast. (xD Just noticed I spelled Gastly wrong. XP) So there is no need for a Wide Lense. Plus that goes on my Nocty. xD Hypnosis will do fine. Plus I won't use it as much as I do with my Nocty (that's always its first attack. xD)

What is the point of calling a pokemon? Does that automatically make it impossible for other people to have it? If you feel that way, fine I'll change him out. xD

~desu Saba~

El Gofre December 21st, 2007 10:42 AM

Its likely to be over wifi, so sorry. But it doesnt matter if people calla poke, more than one person can use it.

ultranerd57 December 21st, 2007 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3185760)
Its likely to be over wifi, so sorry. But it doesnt matter if people calla poke, more than one person can use it.

Aw crap ignore my team then as I can no longer participate but I'll gladly help people still.

El Gofre December 21st, 2007 10:46 AM

ok thanx ultra, and like i said im just guessin its on wifi,I dont know how shoddy works. This might be the incentive i need to get it.

We should have a full team criteria in place soon, just workin out the hax list :)

Anti December 21st, 2007 10:48 AM

I just meant that no matter who else used it/them, I could have them on my team :P I should have clarified that, my apologies.

But really, could we have one over Shoddy for those who can't get a DS or who just have shoddy for some other reason?

El Gofre December 21st, 2007 10:50 AM

Not up to me, its unit101's game. Im just his humble partner :)

.Aero December 21st, 2007 10:52 AM

The only problem is some of us don't have Shoddy (such as me) and I don't think it's free (in the sense of money because I went to site and was completely confused on what it was saying.) So I guess we could battle over Shoddy, but I don't see how it would work if the final includes a Shoddy only battler and a game only battler.

I was looking for a new physical sweeper, and the only thing I could find was Sneasel, which I don't want to use. xD So I'm glad to hear that I can use it.

~desu Saba~

Anti December 21st, 2007 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3185777)
Not up to me, its unit101's game. Im just his humble partner :)

I await his response :P

Also, what levels are these going to be at again? Lv. 1, 5, 100...or what? I'm tired, I might have missed it :P

.Aero December 21st, 2007 10:54 AM

25. That way we have some time to get EV training in. With a 252/252/4 spread you can get 15/15/1 stat boost on average although it's kind of pointless. 170 should be good for each stat, but for simplicity purposes, I'm just using 252/252/4 spread.

~desu Saba~

El Gofre December 21st, 2007 10:55 AM

Ah, so we have a dilemma. Some people want shoddy, some want ds. I'll get back to unit on this one, as I have no experience with shoddy (Which means ds will get my vote if it comes to it)

And if shoddy does cost then I doubt it will be that.

EDIT: Yes its level 25. It allows for moderate EV training while keeping the stats low.

ultranerd57 December 21st, 2007 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3185788)
Ah, so we have a dilemma. Some people want shoddy, some want ds. I'll get back to unit on this one, as I have no experience with shoddy (Which means ds will get my vote if it comes to it)

And if shoddy does cost then I doubt it will be that.

EDIT: Yes its level 25. It allows for moderate EV training while keeping the stats low.

Shoddy doesn't cost a dime you just go to the site click Download wait about 10 minutes for it to download then open the file make a team and start to battle.

El Gofre December 21st, 2007 11:00 AM

Ah ok, but like i said it goes down to unit's preference.

Im off, PM unit or I with any queries you may have

:)

.Aero December 21st, 2007 11:01 AM

In that case *goes to download* xD Seriously I guess we could battle both then. ^^ This completely eliminates any need for discussion on it. Well of course we need unit's permission.

In the meantime, I'll start working on my team. ^^

Shoddy Battle isn't working for me...XP I'll keep trying though.

~desu Saba~

Anti December 21st, 2007 11:09 AM

Well I might as well post mine.

Trapinch @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Quick Attack
- Crunch
- Rock Slide

Diglett @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Sucker Punch
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Night Slash

That's all I have so far, lol

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3185815)
Well I might as well post mine.

Trapinch @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Quick Attack
- Crunch
- Rock Slide

Diglett @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Sucker Punch
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Night Slash

That's all I have so far, lol

I don't know if Choice Items will be allowed in this tournament. They'd make the Pokémon far stronger than any Lv. 25 non-uber could be, so anything with a Choice Item could easily sweep an entire team. The Choice Scarf might be allowed, since it boost Speed, but other than that I think they're banned.

.Aero December 21st, 2007 11:12 AM

Choice Items will most likely be banned. Sorry. xD (And Shoddy just won't work for me, so I can't use it. XP)

Our Digletts are different, which is good.

~desu Saba~

LethalTexture December 21st, 2007 11:18 AM

I'll try and devise a team for this for myself soon, we could be onto a winner here ;)

ultranerd57 December 21st, 2007 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unit101 (Post 3185615)
Before i forget to mention some of the things in the rules, don't start planning your teams so deeply (this goes to you Sabaku no Gaara :P) because we are banning some items that will just be ridiculous to have in such low lvl battles (talking about the Choice items and some more) because if you where able to use ANY item then you could sweep most of a player`s team with just one pokemon (That Digglet got the creeps outta me xD) Mmm leftover`s are still in, just put it to all the pokes and hope for the best with the team.

According to this choice items are banned nfortunately. But they never actually answered about Expert Belt and Life orb so I'm thinking of a E-belt Elekid. =P

LethalTexture December 21st, 2007 12:22 PM

OK, here's the first draft for my team:

Scyther (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Swarm
EVs: 252 HP/100 Def/158 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Agility
- X-Scizzor
- Baton Pass

SD and Agilipasser. Self-explanatory.
---
Buneary (♀) @ Iron Ball/Lagging Tail
Ability: Klutz
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Return
- Ice Punch
- Jump Kick
- Switcheroo

This one's quite novel. She already has decent speed, but I'm going to use Klutz/Switcheroo to actually make use of the ability. Return for STAB, Ice Punch and Jump Kick for coverage. Will be more viable in this environment due to lack of Choice items.
---
Pichu (♂) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Static
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Nasty Plot
- Thunderbolt
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Special sweeper. As a big fan of the Pikachu line, I'll be sure to make use of this. Sash so I can be sure to get a NP in. I'll try and breed for HP Ice, but nothing is guranteed, as there doesn't seem to be another Special Attack he can use, except maybe Swift from Emerald.
---
Turtwig (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP/52 Atk/200 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Curse
- Seed Bomb
- Synthesis
- Bite

Tank. Fairly straightforward. Curse up, Synthesis for recovery, attack with Seed Bomb and Bite. Mudkip is also an option here, as I've been randomly breeding Cursekips. Lack of a recovery move throws me off though.
---
Pineco (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Gyro Ball
- Explosion

Physical Wall. Used in the same way as Forry in Standard.
---
Tentacool (♂) @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Confuse Ray
- Rest
- Swords Dance
- Waterfall

Special Wall. Thinking about replacing him though: No team support and no reliable recovery move. So the best I can do is Confuse Ray, SD up, then rest before mini-sweeping with Waterfall.
---

So yeah, that's the provisional. Let me know what you think. But I must ask you not to steal my ideas, I've spent an hour or two looking at possible team members and movesets.

EDIT: I've also just noticed the massive Fire-type weakness. :(

Shiraishi December 21st, 2007 12:29 PM

Sneasel ftw.

[email protected] Band
Jolly
EVs:252 Atk/252 Spd/4 HP
-Ice Punch
-Pursuit
-Brick break
-Aerial Ace

>:D

Team in progress. >.>

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanoDance (Post 3185974)
OK, here's the first draft for my team:

Scyther (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Swarm
EVs: 252 HP/100 Def/158 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Agility
- Quick Attack/X-Scizzor
- Baton Pass

SD and Agilipasser. Self-explanatory.

I'd use X-Scissor over Quick Attack, in case of Ghosts.
---
Buneary (♀) @ Iron Plate
Ability: Klutz
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Lonely nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Return
- Ice Punch
- Jump Kick
- Switcheroo

This one's quite novel. She already has decent speed, but I'm going to use Klutz/Switcheroo to actually make use of the ability. Return for STAB, Ice Punch and Switcheroo for coverage.

I think you mean Iron Ball, not Iron Plate. The Iron Plate makes the holder's Steel attacks do 20% more damage, while the Iron Ball makes the Pokémon slower (cuts Speed in half?) and negates any Ground immunity the holder may have due to being Flying type or having Levitate. The Iron Ball also has the highest base power when used with Fling. Other than that, I'd recommend an Adamant Nature over a Lonely one, because Gabite can still own you with Bite.
---
Pichu (♂) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Static
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Nasty Plot
- Thunderbolt
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Special sweeper. As a big fan of the Pikachu line, I'll be sure to make use of this. Sash so I can be sure to get a NP in. I'll try and breed for HP Ice, but nothing is guranteed, as there doesn't seem to be another Special Attack he can use, except maybe Swift from Emerald.

This is both good and straightforward. Just watch out for Taunt.
---
Turtwig (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP/52 Atk/200 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Curse
- Seed Bomb
- Synthesis
- Stealth Rock/Bite

Tank. Curse up, Synthesis for recovery, attack with Seed Bomb. Stealth Rock for team support, or could switch with Bite. It's the best I can do before Lv. 25.

I'd pick Bite here, because having only one attack doesn't look good to me. You can use Stealth Rock just fine, it's just that I don't really see it as useful in this situation.
---
Pineco (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake/Gyro Ball
- Explosion

Physical Wall. Used in the same way as Forry in Standard.

Gyro Ball looks better here, especially if you use an Iron Ball here (I know you won't).
---
Tentacool (♂) @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP/4 SAtk/252 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Confuse Ray
- Rest
- Swords Dance
- Waterfall

Special Wall. Thinking about replacing him though: No team support and no reliable recovery move. So the best I can do is Confuse Ray, SD up, then rest before mini-sweeping with Waterfall

Using Rest without Sleep Talk is still dangerous, even though this isn't your usual battle. It means your opponent gets a free turn while you switch, or two free turns while you wait for Tentacool to wake up. There's also Bug Bite and Pluck to worry about, so I'd use Natural Gift over Rest here, and a different Berry if you don't keep Rest.
---

So yeah, that's the provisional. Let me know what you think.

Well, that's what I think. Overall, it's not a bad team for a rough draft.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiraishi (Post 3185991)
Sneasel ftw.

[email protected] Band
Jolly
EVs:252 Atk/252 Spd/4 HP
-Ice Punch
-Pursuit
-Brick break
-Aerial Ace

>:D

Choice Items are BANNED!

LethalTexture December 21st, 2007 12:32 PM

Damnit, yeah, I'll edit my post. I've copied this from Shoddy where I throw together some teams and get a feel of the stats. It doesn't let you choose Iron Ball as an Item. And Buneary's nature was meant to be Adamant, I forgot to change it. Shoddy automatically sets them to Lonely. Bunny's ability makes her unable to use items, so Switcheroo is vialble in this environment, I think. And I've just realised if I'm using Waterfall, Calm is a bad idea :/

Thanks for your help, though. :)

Shiraishi December 21st, 2007 12:39 PM

Boo, no CB? :[ Life orb/Sash then T_T

.Aero December 21st, 2007 12:46 PM

Life Orb will most likely be banned too, having nearly the same effect as Choice items. As for the Choice Scarf, I think it should be allowed because it doesn't raise attack stats at all. Just speed, but that's up to unit.

~desu Saba~

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 1:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanoDance (Post 3186006)
Damnit, yeah, I'll edit my post. I've copied this from Shoddy where I throw together some teams and get a feel of the stats. It doesn't let you choose Iron Ball as an Item. And Buneary's nature was meant to be Adamant, I forgot to change it. Shoddy automatically sets them to Lonely. Bunny's ability makes her unable to use items, so Switcheroo is vialble in this environment, I think. And I've just realised if I'm using Waterfall, Calm is a bad idea :/

Thanks for your help, though. :)

No problem! :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiraishi (Post 3186019)
Boo, no CB? :[ Life orb/Sash then T_T

I personally don't like Choice Items. I'd use the Metronome first.

shedinjask December 21st, 2007 1:48 PM

Why the hell are Scyther and Sneasel not banned?

LethalTexture December 21st, 2007 1:56 PM

Because as long as the Pokemon is in it's base form and CAN evolve, it's allowed. And at Lv. 25, the differences in stats won't be so evident compared to if they were at Lv.100.

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 1:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shedinjask (Post 3186243)
Why the hell are Scyther and Sneasel not banned?

Scyther's Defense and Special Defense are crap, his Attack isn't high enough without a Choice Band or Life Orb to OHKO anything not weak to his attack, Sneasel's simply isn't very good anywhere, and what DeanoDance said.

Mechanic December 21st, 2007 2:38 PM

People ive already told you dont go so deep in planning your teams and DeanoDance it will be 4v4 battles.

Just wait until the main thread for this pops up, then you will go deep into it and check everything as you would normally do, also plan your team 100% full ^_^


The thread will be up in a day or two (or even this same night if i have enough time) and im planning on doing two separate categories, one for Shoddy and one via WiFi with the DS and D/P

.Aero December 21st, 2007 2:56 PM

Ok, but I don't see why we shouldn't. It will take a while to EV train and breed and level to 25. But it's up to you. ^^

What items are banned? Choice Band/Specs/Scarf? and Life Orb? Because we all want to know. xD

~desu Saba~

Mechanic December 21st, 2007 3:01 PM

It might take a while to finish the banned items list so you can start by thinking what pokes your gonna use and also i posted this already but i think you guys ignored me xD.

How to successfully EV train your Baby Pokemon`s

Since as you saw you can still EV train now I will cover up a guide on how to EV train your pokemon for these category

Well you know the lvl cap is 25 so that means you will only have ¼ of the EV`s you will normally gain if you fully EV train that means you can spread your EV`s even more like this:

A normal pokemon at lvl 100 max EV is 252 meaning it gains 63 points, now looking that you can just add to plus of ¼ of those EV`s so its 63 EV that is 15.75 points (just 15 the machine doesn’t circle it) so your able to spread your EV`s into 8.1 different stats.

This means that you can put your max number (63 points) to each stat you have as long as it doesn’t exceeds 380 base cap we have set.

So now you go like Yayyy we can put the max to each stat but we have to be careful on not exceeding the cap woot! Yep that’s right kiddo, as long as you don’t go over its ok.


Now go and play with your EV`s as you wish guys ^_^ :3

Anti December 21st, 2007 3:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unit101 (Post 3186435)
It might take a while to finish the banned items list so you can start by thinking what pokes your gonna use and also i posted this already but i think you guys ignored me xD.

How to successfully EV train your Baby Pokemon`s

Since as you saw you can still EV train now I will cover up a guide on how to EV train your pokemon for these category

Well you know the lvl cap is 25 so that means you will only have ¼ of the EV`s you will normally gain if you fully EV train that means you can spread your EV`s even more like this:

A normal pokemon at lvl 100 max EV is 252 meaning it gains 63 points, now looking that you can just add to plus of ¼ of those EV`s so its 63 EV that is 15.75 points (just 15 the machine doesn’t circle it) so your able to spread your EV`s into 8.1 different stats.

This means that you can put your max number (63 points) to each stat you have as long as it doesn’t exceeds 380 base cap we have set.

So now you go like Yayyy we can put the max to each stat but we have to be careful on not exceeding the cap woot! Yep that’s right kiddo, as long as you don’t go over its ok.


Now go and play with your EV`s as you wish guys ^_^ :3

Base stats and stats after EVing are two totally different things, that really confused me...

But really, what's the deal with the choice item ban? I don't see the point, if somebody would please exlpisn that to me ^_^


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