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Mechanic December 21st, 2007 5:44 AM

Guys dont worry me and Gofre ar covering everything up, you will see in some days how much effort we have putted into it and also how it would be.

We got a hackproof no failing system so just lay back and see ^_^

Hey guys dont worry because me and Gofre got everything covered up, we have a strong hackproof and fun system that will make EVERYTHING fair and fun at the same time ^_^ isnt that cool?

And also i will start helding baby tournies when everything is up and the prizes will be pretty much really good (to incentivate people on participating there are more than just three places in our tour`s).

Also archer you missed some pokes inside the list, like Pikachu, he aint a baby, Pichu is in that evo line xD and also Staravia isnt one either its Starly and no Loudred Whishmur is, baby pokemon stands for the first evolution not the rest xD Because some of the pokes cant be obtained at the rule we are going to put in and we just decided to ban them and stay with the babies as it is xD.

Well people just stick around and you will see a lot of things going on :3

.Aero December 21st, 2007 6:46 AM

Interesting idea. ^^ The only drawback is the game would be more of luck. It's almost impossible to get more than 4 EVs into a pokemon before it reaches level 5. You'll need a lot of TMs too if you want to have any good moves on your pokes. (I'm good on that though. I think...haha)

I'd be interested in joining the tournament if it's made. I've done something similar of level 1 pokemon, that didn't work so well because that was all luck. (Like a flamethrower killing my Wooper, most messed up thing ever. xD)

Give me a PM when you're ready to have the tournament. If you need any help, I could help organize it if you wish. I'm off for break now and I have a lot of time on my hands. ^^

~desu Saba~

shedinjask December 21st, 2007 6:53 AM

It's possible to fully EV train a Pokemon before level 5. There's a guide somewhere on Smogon, it involves a lot of EXP Shares and vitamins.

El Gofre December 21st, 2007 7:07 AM

Thats a challenge for you then, seeing how well you can EV. If you can efficiently fit enough points in at a low level, surely you stand a chance of winning?

Mechanic December 21st, 2007 7:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shedinjask (Post 3185335)
It's possible to fully EV train a Pokemon before level 5. There's a guide somewhere on Smogon, it involves a lot of EXP Shares and vitamins.

Ok i guess a spoiler is good xD S you guys don't go aggro on us he he

- The battles will be 4v4 Because 6 pokemons will take too long and 3 would be just a little.

- The max lvl is 25 (by then you can fully EV if your smart and rich)

I hope this info makes people happy and more interested in what we are trying to accomplish in here ^_^ This project will evolve the way we think about certain pokes and will truly help us on becoming better trainers :3

Well thats all the spoilers i can give at the moment but hang in there, my pc got its internet back so now i can work faster on putting everything on so we`ll talk later.

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 7:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unit101 (Post 3183531)
Theres this idea that has been running through my mind lately and its...

Using baby Pokemon's to battle, such as eevee, charmander, totodile, etc. Only the ones that can evolve, Pokemon's such as heracross cant fit into the category because, ok, hes what we would call a baby Pokemon but hes stats are way too high to be considered into the category D: Also only pokemon that can evolve are inside the category

I think that making a team with only baby pokemon should be easier, less time consuming and more fun to try hence its just awkward to use baby Pokemon's to battle xD.

I would love to see positive feedback toward this thread since its something revolutionary that may change the way we do competitive battles in a lot of ways ^_^

Toodles :3 C&S plox

Heracross isn't a "baby Pokémon", but a "basic" one (you can blame the TCG for this).

Don't allow Phione.

Any "baby Pokémon", such as Pichu, can enter.

Am I understanding this "baby clause" of yours correctly?

El Gofre December 21st, 2007 7:19 AM

As co-creator of this thread i can comfirm we are not allowing phione. As well as settin a limit to base and baby pokemon (Baby evoultions being considered base pokemon), we setting a limit on the maximum total of base stats, as to stop people using aerodactyl just cuz he's a base :)

EDIT: Not co-creator of the thread, but co-creator of rules and general helper to unit, he gets the credit :)

.Aero December 21st, 2007 7:33 AM

I forgot about the vitamins. xD Yeah so you can get up to 100 in the stats you want to EV train in. The problem is, well in my opinion, we won't get the complete benefit from EV training. They evenly add themselves as the pokemon levels up. So if you got 252 in one stat, divide by four (because we're playing of level 25) and you get 63. Divide that by four and you get 15.75. So that's all the bonus you'll get by level 25 if you fully EV train in one stat. Not that much in my opinion, but nonetheless, great idea and I will work on it.

P.S. It might be hard to keep the pokemon at level 25, and not accidentally go over. Especially if you go through the Elite Four with Experience Share. (I reached about 27 first time through experience sharing from level one.) Just a heads up though...might take a while to get a good team. I'll start working on one. xD

~desu Saba~

shedinjask December 21st, 2007 7:43 AM

Are Sonicboom and Dragon Rage still banned at lv25?

Also I can confirm that it's possible to fully EV a Pokemon at level 5. It helps that 252 isn't max anymore, something around 170 is. Max depends on the base stat, I'll see if I can find that Smogon guide.

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 7:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shedinjask (Post 3185389)
Are Sonicboom and Dragon Rage still banned at lv25?

Also I can confirm that it's possible to fully EV a Pokemon at level 5. It helps that 252 isn't max anymore, something around 170 is. Max depends on the base stat, I'll see if I can find that Smogon guide.

I'd say that Dragon Rage is, at least. Sonic Boom, maybe.

.Aero December 21st, 2007 8:09 AM

I agree that Dragon Rage should be banned still. What would our max HP be around? 100+ for high HP pokemon? 40 is just too much. Sonicboom I'll have to see what others say.

I understand about being able to fully EV train a pokemon by level 5, it doesn't matter though because not all the work you put into would go into effect. That's the problem. Doest matter though, you'll get at least some boost.

How is 170 max when you can get up to 255 EVs in two stats? (Then you're done because you can only put 510 in each pokemon)

~desu Saba~

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 8:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabaku no Gaara (Post 3185425)
(Then you're done because you can only put 510 in each pokemon)

~desu Saba~

Not quite. You still have six left over, with which you can slightly boost a third stat.

shedinjask December 21st, 2007 8:29 AM

Quote:

How is 170 max when you can get up to 255 EVs in two stats?
Of course you can put 255 in one stat. But after 170 or so, it won't have any effect. Like after 252 you aren't boosting stats anymore in level 100 Pokemon.

.Aero December 21st, 2007 8:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3185449)
Not quite. You still have six left over, with which you can slightly boost a third stat.

No you don't. I said 255, max is 510. I know what I'm talking about. (You're thinking of the 252, which is more reasonable then 255, I mentioned earlier.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by shedinjask (Post 3185453)
Of course you can put 255 in one stat. But after 170 or so, it won't have any effect. Like after 252 you aren't boosting stats anymore in level 100 Pokemon.

How so? I still don't understand because in competitive teams I've seen, a lot of pokemon have 252/4 spreads.

EDIT: I'm so confused. xD I know 252 is the top that can be helpful (because it has to be divisible by four, 255 leaving an extra useless 3). I'm asking why you say after 170 it's pointless to go any further. Is it because the stats won't be added in after that until level 100?

~desu Saba~

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 8:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabaku no Gaara (Post 3185464)
No you don't. I said 255, max is 510. I know what I'm talking about. (You're thinking of the 252, which is more reasonable then 255, I mentioned earlier.)

~desu Saba~

Oh, whoops. My bad.

Anyway, even without leveling up, doesn't the Pokémon's stats change accordingly when you use vitamins?

shedinjask December 21st, 2007 8:39 AM

Yeah, I think that's what I'm saying. It's pointless to go further than ~170 because the stats won't increase any more at that level. Of course 170 is just a number that's sort of close to the actual number which you'll have to look up. I forget it atm.

Also, the maxing point depends on the stat. At level 100, max is always 252. But at level 5, it changes depending on the base stat or something. It's complicated, and I know there's a guide somewhere but I can't find it.

EDIT: You can deposit the Pokemon in the box or level it up for the vitamins to take effect.

.Aero December 21st, 2007 8:40 AM

They do somewhat. Think about it. You get 10 from each vitamin, equaling +2 to a stat (because 8/4=2). How often do you see the change the vitamin causes increase by 2? Only once in a while (like every three I think) which means all the EVs aren't being put in right then and there. On the second vitamin if that happened, it'd go up three. (8/4=2+1=3, if you don't know how I got this, just ask)

EDIT: Does that trick really work? (The boxing one) I've never heard it before, but probably because it doesn't really matter because most people play level 100 battles.

EDIT2: Ok, I got my team together. Not the best, but since this is the place to post teams for rating:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Diglett@Choice Scarf
Jolly~252 Speed/Attack; 4 HP
Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Aerial Ace
Sucker Punch

~Physical Sweeper (yes I stole Diglett. xD)

Porygon@Choice Specs
Modest~252 Special Attack/HP; 4 Speed
Tri Attack
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Shadow Ball

~Special Sweeper

Onix@Leftovers
Impish~252 Defense/HP; 4 Attack
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Rest
Sleep Talk

~Physical Wall

Mantyke@Leftovers
Bold~252 Special Defense/HP; 4 Special Attack
Surf
Aerial Ace
Hidden Power [Ground]
Aqua Ring

~Special Wall (Amazing special defense stat ^^)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I need help with the EV spread because of what shedinjask has been saying.

~desu Saba~

Mechanic December 21st, 2007 8:52 AM

The boxing trick doesnt work no more D: D/P out it out (well last time i tried it didn't work...)

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 8:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabaku no Gaara (Post 3185486)
Diglett@Choice Scarf
Jolly~252 Speed/Attack; 4 HP
Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Aerial Ace
Sucker Punch

~Physical Sweeper (yes I stole Diglett. xD)

Hang on, how does a thumb with a face sticking out of the ground use Sucker Punch?!

Sora_8920 December 21st, 2007 9:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3185521)
Hang on, how does a thumb with a face sticking out of the ground use Sucker Punch?!

The hell? Anyways.. It can learn it.. Click here to learn how Diglett learns Sucker Punch!

.Aero December 21st, 2007 9:02 AM

xD Good point, but it learns it at level 23. xD It probably is so dang fast though, that when if comes out to punch, it's back in its hole in less than 0.000000001 seconds. xD Or he just does it.

I have a grass/water weakness on two of my pokemon (x4 on Onix. DX) so I'm thinking of replacing Mantyke's Ground Hidden Power for a Grass or elecrtic one. (Water would be more common to encounter than grass would) I'm leaning more towards Grass because it can also take care of those pesky Water/Ground types aside from normal water types.

~desu Saba~

Sora_8920 December 21st, 2007 9:06 AM

Or maybe It's hands are underground in the hole. XD. Either way, it can learn it. And as Sabaku said, at Level 23.

Waker of Chaos December 21st, 2007 9:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabaku no Gaara (Post 3185538)
xD Good point, but it learns it at level 23. xD It probably is so dang fast though, that when if comes out to punch, it's back in its hole in less than 0.000000001 seconds. xD Or he just does it.

I have a grass/water weakness on two of my pokemon (x4 on Onix. DX) so I'm thinking of replacing Mantyke's Ground Hidden Power for a Grass or elecrtic one. (Water would more common to encounter than grass would) I'm leaning more towards Grass because it can also take care of those pesky Water/Ground types aside from normal water types.

~desu Saba~

Well, there's also the idea of making Hidden Power the Flying type, so that it becomes a STAB move and covers the Grass weakness. Then you could use something else instead of Aerial Ace, like Agility, Confuse Ray, Haze, Signal Beam, or Toxic.

El Gofre December 21st, 2007 9:10 AM

Seeing as people are already posting teams, Im sure unit and I will soon have to post a full team criteria. Its up to Unit, but im guessing this will be happening soon after christmas, so everyone has time to train.

Some good points have been raised that will help us set the criterea to be fairer :)

.Aero December 21st, 2007 9:13 AM

Yeah, that could work. Haze would be my choice, but I figured that stat raising moves wouldn't be too ample in this kind of battle. But maybe. So it's between Signal Beam and Agility for me. Don't know though. I need suggestions on all three actually.

Better idea. Why would I choose Agility over Rain Dance? (Swift Swim ability) Water absorb would be pointless because people wouldn't even try to hit it with water type attacks. Plus I get added damage to Surf, which actually can be very helpful (as I have figured out Sunny Day can really help kill my soon to be awesome Bronzong. xD)

EDIT: And me being the idiot that I am, I just realized that I can't get Aqua Ring on him. He doesn't learn it at level 25 or lower. XP Kills that idea.

EDIT2: Ice beam and HP [Grass] = Grass and Water killing. But if I were to choose a HP for keeping him alive, I'd keep it ground because weakness to Rock and Electric.

~desu Saba~


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