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Is Hyper Beam really THAT good on Porygon-Z?
Yes. Is it? Really, remember, it has a recharge turn. And on the recharge turn, the following things can happen: 1.) *Opponent Swithes into Scarfcross* Hi, Porygon-Z. Porygon-Z: ugh.. *Paralzed by Hyper Beam* Heracross: Too bad for you, then. *Close Combat's* Porygon-Z NO! *Faints* Or 2.) Because of Porygon-Z's base 70 Defense, the opponent just says bye to Porygon-Z, and then attacks with a random physical move. Opponent: Bye! Have a nice day! Porygon-Z: uh-oh. *Faints* *cough cough physical fighting attack especially strong cough cough*
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Porygon-Z can survive an Earthquake from Chomp if it has Max HP EV's >_>
It is good in some circumstances, I run my Porygon-Z with Sub/Hyper Beam, works out really well |
Choice Specs, Adaptability + Hyper Beam, and maximum Special Attack could probably take out standard Calm Blissey in one hit.
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No IMO. There are better ways of killing Blissey than having to put one of your sweepers at a huge risk.
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I'd rather have 2 STABed returns in the same period of time.
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[email protected] Orb 252ATK/40SP.ATK/216SPeeD Rash / Mild Nature Trait : Adaptability - Nasty Plot - Return - Tri Attack - Dark pulse Between Life Orb, Adaptability and Return its a 2hko on 714/130 standard blissey. Idea is to Nasty Plot on the turn blissey switches in make them think you are special, switch back out and the next time you predict Blissey switch in Return on the switch in for the 2hko. Tri attack for your PROPER STAB move. Dark Pulse allows you to hit ghosts who wall you otherwise. Nasty Plot allows you to sweep later in the game once blissey is gone. Hyper Beam is by no means bad, but it takes alot of setting up. [email protected] Orb / Wise Glasses 40 HP / 216 SPEED / 252 SP.ATT Modest Nature Trait :Adaptability - Hyper Beam - Substitute - Nasty plot - Dark pulse This set is deadly. Ok the idea here is to Nasty Plot when Blissey switches in, set a sub up when it tries to thunderwave you and then hyper Beam from behind the sub to prevent revenge kills and to ohko blissey. Any ghost stupid enough to switch in gets hammered by Dark pulse. Like i said it needs the right circumstances to work, but is no means bad if it brings down Blissey and just about everything else aswell. |
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Hyper Beam does alright on Porygon-Z. Probably one of the only pokemon that can make use of it. As people have said, it can OHKO Blissey which gives a huge advantage. If you're left 1 on 1 with Porygon-Z up against Blissey, you use Tri Attack, Blissey doesn't faint, and you get T-Waved. And Blissey will end up taking the victory. Although, when up against a team with no Blissey (there's more out there than you think. I, for one, hate blissey), there's not much need for Hyper Beam and its turning Hyper Beam into a complete waste, because Tri Attack could be giving you a STABed attack with no charging necessary, and can sweep through teams. So either works. I'd go with the standard Tri Attack. |
mixed return porygon-z is actually a very viable set. it just leaves it very vulnerable to attacks.
hyperbeam is a great move on porygon-z. like i said, it's saved my butt plenty of times in battles. and your concern for it being taking out during that downturn -- it's all about prediction and timing. if they would usually switch in a special wall, you don't use it. if you see that they have a bulky fighter ready with a STAB move, then you could use it on the switch and OHKO them. |
I actually find return on Pory Z to make a good blissey counter (Which I think has been said). Boltbeam offers coverage, and when a special wall comes in it saves having to swith out. Yes theres no denying his special attack is far superior, but why do people run fire blast on garchomp if his physical is far higher?
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Who said anything about it being good? Hyper Beam has its consequences, but you'd have to be a TOTAL moron to hyper beam at something with a heracross lurking. Really, if you are smart enough using it, Pory Z makes use of it well for bliss killing.
Seriously, you'd have to be an idiot to let the scenario in the first post play out. You can set up a sub or just get rid of heracross or whoever it may be. Hyper Beam is by no means great, but saying it totally blows is just no. Though I do agree with Syaoran, there are better ways to kill blissey, but some people prefer hyper beam I suppose. |
I actually haven't seen a Hyper Beam Pory on Shoddy at all. And I'm assuming that's because most players dislike the recharge turn.
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Hyper Beam OHKOs a Blissey with a Nasty Plot, I believe. I'll run damage calcs later.
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Losing a good sweeper (cause lets face it, after Hyper Beam, he's a goner) just to wipe out one poke? Not worth it, IMO. There are plenty of other ways to wipe out a Blissey. |
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The point is to take out Blissey as fast as possible without getting the Paralyze or a nasty Toss from it while it heals |
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Ah, but they can set up, which in some cases, just as bad as commiting suicide.
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Ps: Tri attack's effect is 20% |
Actually, it's 30%, unless they changed it this gen.
And Gecko, for the record, I've run into about 50 Pory Zs on Shoddy and none have been the hyper beam variant...it isn't common at all. |
Effect rate was 20% in third gen also.:(
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