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MegaMushroom07 December 23rd, 2007 4:49 AM

Should shiny Pokemon be stronger?
 
In Pokemon Gold, Silver, and Crystal, 'shiny' Pokemon obtained a boost in stats. However, they lack the extra power in this generation.

Does anyone think they should have the boost again? I do, since it makes them more valuable (But I also have a team of shinies ;-)

Post what you think


As polite as ever,

Megamushroom07
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Eruption December 23rd, 2007 4:52 AM

I believe they should be stronger if they are so hard to get.

Legendaries are much stronger than anything else but are hard to get but really shinies are even harder to get they just defintely be a least a little stronger.

johnnykenny1234 December 23rd, 2007 4:54 AM

no, because then theyd be banned from wifi which people would hate meaning that shinies would have no use except for in game (which is lame)

~Swish~ December 23rd, 2007 5:17 AM

Nah they should stay with the no stat boost for shinies. All wifi battles would then be shiny v shiny, opening the door to hacks even more as you could claim a stat boost is natural, when infact its from AR.

Everybody having a team full of shinies loses the novelty of finding one in the first place.

El Gofre December 23rd, 2007 5:43 AM

I wouldn't give them it, as some pokemon nowadays would become invincible. This is an example but say they got a 10% boost to their stats, a calm blissey could get almost 800HP and 450 Sp.Def. It would mean shinies getting banned, and i wouldn't wanna lose my purple swampert :(

monkey1987 December 23rd, 2007 5:46 AM

Yeah
 
Yeah i think shiny pokemon DO have to have more powers
just collecting them because they are more beatyful isn't enough for me :)

NytewolfAU2k7 December 23rd, 2007 5:47 AM

1 extra stat point in each state only at the beginning would be fine and no extra stats after that...

Eruption December 23rd, 2007 5:50 AM

Maybe they could just get 2x EVs.

El Gofre December 23rd, 2007 5:56 AM

Here's a point, WHY would they get a stat boost? they're the same pokemon, just with a differentiation in skin/fur/feather pigment. Are albino people capable of doing more than regular people?

シーツー December 23rd, 2007 6:07 AM

I wouldn't like them to be stronger as well.
Then everyone would battle with shinies and that's the point that would annoy me.
I think shiny Pokes should only be for collections.

monkey1987 December 23rd, 2007 6:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3190707)
Here's a point, WHY would they get a stat boost? they're the same pokemon, just with a differentiation in skin/fur/feather pigment. Are albino people capable of doing more than regular people?

Lol :P
You're right in that..
But do they don't come out of pokebals either ;)

WaterGod December 23rd, 2007 6:42 AM

i don't think they should be stronger, but having 2x EVs is a good idea, Skii

#Gecko# December 23rd, 2007 6:49 AM

Quote:

Maybe they could just get 2x EVs.
That's dumb. There's Pokerus(also rare) and Bracers. Shiny Pokemon should only have IV above 20. They'll be slightly stronger than regular Pkmn (unless they bred for IVs) and the power won't be much of a difference.

El Gofre December 23rd, 2007 6:52 AM

But WHY should they? why does a different colour make them stronger. If you wanna go with science, its a disorder in the genes and should make them weaker if anything.

Shiny Umbreon December 23rd, 2007 12:24 PM

I agree with Gofre.

Speaking about the games themselves, though, it would be unfair because everyone would have to hunt shinies for a competitive team. That would be just weird.

Gulpin December 23rd, 2007 12:29 PM

I think that the only thing that shinys hunters should be rewarded for is for their Pokemon to be different colors.

El Gofre December 23rd, 2007 12:52 PM

If it wan't for the fact it's gone from a split feild to a unamymous no, I'd have started off a poll lol.

Another point; If these pokemon were naturally stronger, battling would be taken over by hordes of lucky people catching shinies. How would you feel if you came up against someone who, through no real level of strategy, had got their mitts on a blissey with almost 800 HP? It takes the competetive edge away.

TheWishmkr December 23rd, 2007 1:40 PM

If Ar and Pokesav didnt exist id say yeah make them stronger but only like have 1 IV guranteed 30-31

but i dont think they should be they re just different colours,fur etc
and to be honest the annoying noise on Wifi would peeee me right off :p >.<

MegaMushroom07 December 23rd, 2007 1:58 PM

There, start voting on the poll, people.

SBaby December 23rd, 2007 2:15 PM

That's like the $64,000 question. I really can't honestly answer that. Due to their rarity, the logical answer would be yes. But then you'd have three or four people online who have entire teams of shinies going around dominating everything. So it isn't necessarily a good idea.

MegaMushroom07 December 23rd, 2007 2:17 PM

Haha...a $64,000 question isn't as good as a £1,000,000 question....dollars are half-price now XD.

Skaterzpenguin December 23rd, 2007 3:39 PM

I voted for don't care, because it depends on how well you trained the shiny. Also I have a shiny spinda Lv.100 and a regular spinda at Lv.100 and my shiny has better stats, so I guess shinies are stronger by a little bit though.

MegaMushroom07 December 23rd, 2007 3:46 PM

I actually think that they have a small boost that does not show up in stats, Just in battle.

Virtual Chatot December 23rd, 2007 3:47 PM

They might have an IV Boost, but nothing confirmed

Shiny Umbreon December 23rd, 2007 3:50 PM

Their shiny status has absolutely nothing to do with IVs, at least in this generation, so stop talking nonsense.
Quote:

Originally Posted by MegaMushroom07 (Post 3191971)
Haha...a $64,000 question isn't as good as a £1,000,000 question....dollars are half-price now XD.

Mega, this post was spam. Stop with pointless posts.

Drakorn December 23rd, 2007 5:00 PM

I vote no, even though it's a shiny it doesn't mean it should be stronger, shiny is only another colour appearance to it's normal one, to me I just think shinies are just there to show off to other people.

Clark December 23rd, 2007 10:36 PM

Never. It'd ruin competitive battling, it'd ruin the fun of having them (because everyone else would go through the pain of catching whole shiny teams), and it would ruin non-shiny Pokemon. Everyone would go crazy trying to catch them, so in the end, shiny Pokemon would be too common, and people'd be trading them around to add to that. Even like 10% of a stat boost would cause all that, and anything less than that defeats the purpose (who'd care about a 2% boost?). -And, I want to still feel like my shiny Swellow is special...

Ayano Katagiri December 23rd, 2007 11:52 PM

I don't think they should be stronger. That'd almost just entice more people into hacking for shinies just for the extra stat bonus that the Pokemon would have and we'd probably see people with more and more shiny Pokemon.

Shiny December 24th, 2007 2:03 AM

I think they should as the rarity of them but as said before people would hack even more so it's a double edged sword

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ December 24th, 2007 11:34 AM

no, what makes them so special besides that they are a different color. Let them feel special that they are already a different color from the rest of there species


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Myoko-chan December 24th, 2007 12:29 PM

No, it's already quite significant because of it's different color. And it would cause many issues with Wi-Fi battles, because there would be a higher chance that one would be hacked.

@TwilightBlade/SU: Shouldn't this belong in Pokemon General?

Thebiggamer December 24th, 2007 12:32 PM

I keep bringing this up to my friend, but they should get a move that is exclusive to all shinies that you have to tutor with that dude for heartscales. make it called like "sparkle sparkle" and either do a little damage while lowering accuracy or high famdage

Gooberdued December 24th, 2007 1:49 PM

I don't think shinies should get a stat boost, it would ruin the meta game. People who are lucky enough to have a team full of shinies would have an unfair advantage because they would win battles without having put any time or effort in to raising their pokemon.

I know it is still *relatively* easy to get shinies with the pokeradar, but then you wouldn't be able to breed in necessary moves, IVs, etc.

El Gofre December 24th, 2007 1:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thebiggamer (Post 3194505)
I keep bringing this up to my friend, but they should get a move that is exclusive to all shinies that you have to tutor with that dude for heartscales. make it called like "sparkle sparkle" and either do a little damage while lowering accuracy or high famdage

Its all well and good saying this but WHY? no-one is justifying why shinies should be better. Why would a shiny magicarp be any less pathetic than its counterpart? Why does sparkly skin give it these additional abilities? IT DOESNT!

-.- December 25th, 2007 8:28 AM

They shoudn't because Shiny pokemon are considered the same as regular except they have a different colour and are just a bit boosted in stats..

But they are BANNED from wifi battles..

So no, they shoudn't be stronger they should make them so they have even stats as there regular forms, so they woudn't get banned from wifi.

ABYAY December 25th, 2007 8:48 AM

I decided to say yes due to their rarity, but stronger as in a little more IVs, not actual base stats (Also not 31/31/31/etc..., but more like 20+/20+/20+/20+...) This way, a shiny pokemon wouldn't always be stronger than a regular, highly-bred one.

This way, it would put to the test to see if you have a life or not.

Shadow December 25th, 2007 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MegaMushroom07 (Post 3190603)
In Pokemon Gold, Silver, and Crystal, 'shiny' Pokemon obtained a boost in stats. However, they lack the extra power in this generation.

They didn't have a boost in stats. They just had certain IVs. While these IVs were usually high, they were almost always the wrong ones for the type of Pokemon though (IE: Shiny Pidgeot having high special attack; Alakazam having high defense; dunno if these are true examples, but just showing what it was like).

Before they give any buffs to shiny Pokemon though, they really need to make other novelty Pokemon at least usable in widespread battle. Shiny Pokemon are as good as the rest of them. Unique Pokemon such as Castform, Kecleon, and Ditto to just name a few are really cool concepts, but just really don't cut it in battle. They need to be at least usable in competitive play before other novelty Pokemon (shinies) get a buff.

El Gofre December 25th, 2007 2:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABYAY (Post 3195898)
I decided to say yes due to their rarity, but stronger as in a little more IVs, not actual base stats (Also not 31/31/31/etc..., but more like 20+/20+/20+/20+...) This way, a shiny pokemon wouldn't always be stronger than a regular, highly-bred one.

This way, it would put to the test to see if you have a life or not.

So they should be strong based on rarity, does that mean my rotom should be powerful?

*PHANTOM* December 25th, 2007 2:28 PM

Yea I loved those games(g/s/c) I wish shinies would be stronger then I would probably use them more.

Clark December 26th, 2007 8:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3194718)
Its all well and good saying this but WHY? no-one is justifying why shinies should be better. Why would a shiny magicarp be any less pathetic than its counterpart? Why does sparkly skin give it these additional abilities? IT DOESNT!

I see your point, I really do, but in a video game and moster-training world there's a lot of things that go without simple explanation. Why should Charmander apparently die just because the little fire on its tail goes out? Why does Kadabra evolve when you trade it? Why do CD disks set onto a Pokemon's body give it new abilities? It could be that Shiny Pokemon have some sort of slight energy in them, and that somehow gives them something normal Pokemon don't have. The stat raising ideas I'm against, as it would result in problems with the competitive battling world, but a unique shiny move or just a move that Pokemon doesn't normally learn (like a Swellow with Extremespeed or something) wouldn't be so bad as long as the moves given to them aren't too special or anything. Like if there was a "shiny move" that cause one-hit-KOs and had good accuracy, there'd be an obvious problem there.

st.jimmy December 26th, 2007 8:32 AM

I have blue medicham but he is crapper than the average joe or in this case medicham.


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