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I feel an Icy breeze...; RMT
Metagross @Occa Berry
Adamant Nature EVs:240attk/200hp/36spdef/36spd Earthquake Meteor Mash Icy Wind Thunder Punch My starter. Its EVs should allow it to outspeed other starters and cut their speed, thus resulting in either a switch, or, a chance for Meta to take out a good poke. Ambipom @Life Orb Jolly Nature EVs:252attk/252spd/4hp Return Ice Punch Thunder Shadow Claw My Gengar counter. Thunder 2KOs Skarm. Espeon @Leftovers Timid Nature EVs:240spattk/252spd/16hp Psychic Calm Mind HP Fighting [70] Grass Knot My CM Sweeper. Espeon has the ability to take a hit, so, CMing should be easy. Staraptor @Choice Scarf Adamant Nature EVs:252attk/112spd/140hp Return Pursuit Brave Bird Close Combat My ScarfCross counter and second physical sweeper. Cresselia @Leftovers Bold Nature EVs:240hp/160def/100spdef/8spattk Charge Beam Lunar Dance Moonlight Ice Beam/HP Ground My Dos counter. Lunar Dance for when Cress is about to go down. Dusknoir @Leftovers Careful Nature EVs:252hp/160def/92spdef/4attk Focus Punch/Earthquake Pain Split Fire Punch Will-o-Wisp My BandCross counter. Focus Punch for when my opponent switches out, fearing that Noir will use W-o-W. Earthquake for fire switch ins, Fire Punch for Hera. There, RMT, feel it? That -19 degree Icy Wind? |
Hidden Power [ICE] outclasses Icy Wind on Metagross. Agility maybe?
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But seriously, I agree, slowing down leads accomplishes what? Really, they switch...and that's that. Forcing switches is nice, but some pokemon don't even mind the speed drop and can just say "lol." Like Hippowdon or swampert leads. |
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Icy Wind has proven its use on Meta in 2 battles, in those 2 battles, Meta didn't lead ,so, taking that into account, I've decided to make Spirtomb my lead.
@Iceman: *Ahem* Metagross- Although Agiligross SEEMS good, I just don't want to use it. Metagross has a few weaknesses that'll on occaiaon require it to switch out, i.e Garchomp. Picture this- Metagross vs Blissey: Blissey switches out to ScarfChomp Meta uses Agility ScarfChomp used Fire Blast Metagross used Meteor Mash ScarfChomp survives Meta switches out... C'mon, Agility isn't my strongpoint this gen thanks to Meta's weakness gain. Espeon- Yes, I'll add more HP. Ambipom- Read the explanation, it switches into Gengar's Shadow Ball and kills it... Medicham can't quite do that. Froslass- Omg, it's a SkarmBliss counter... Wake-Up Slap does a good amount of damage. I honestly don't see a problem with it. If Blissey carries Flamethrower, I just switch to Slowbro... it's not hard... Spirtomb can switch in on Nape, Pain Split its HP back ,CM and kill it. If you can use logic and know that no other attack has the initials, WOW besides Will-o-Wisp, then, that stays as it is. Slowbro's already EV'd at Lv100, I don't see the EVs changing anytime soon. |
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Wake Up Slap to Blissey won't really do all that much since Froslass has a Phione base Attack stat, no STAB, and a base power that absolutely sucks.
I usually use Scarfed Metagross with Ice Punch if I need to use and Ice move. Though MixGross also likes Icy Wind. |
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Okay, now that I've said what I needed to say, cheesecake awaits me. |
I run an unusual Froslass. I've noticed that it can hit pretty good, but everyone thinks bleh of it.
[email protected] Band Jolly Nature 252 atk/252 spd/6HP Crunch Ice Fang Wake-Up Slap Return With choice band, it's packing a good 360 atk, which is poor for a Choice Bander, but 350 speed makes it complete counter to dragons except for Scarf'd ones. It also hits Gengar pretty badly, and does slightly less than half total health on a max HP/max Def Blissey. The reason I kept it was because of the 31 speed IVs. Froslass can't be a Skarmbliss counter. Just be a Skarm counter, and using a pokemon with Endeavor = great counter to Blissey. Although swampert is really the only great pokemon that can get Endeavor and be immune to T-Wave. Sure you could go Staraptor as a physical sweeper and Endeavor as a last resort to physical sponges. |
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Anyway, I'm tossing Froslass for... okay, I need a suggestion to replace it with... BESIDES Infernape... My point exactly on Agiligross, it gets an Agility and has to switch out... once something it doesn't want to go up against switches it. Return > Fire Punch should work on Ambipom... Regarding the bolded quote above: Hera? Really? I'm sooooo scared of it... Slowbro can switch in on the CCs and can take a Megahorn from it, Slack it Off and continue. |
It CANNOT take a Megahorn from it. Seriously, before you make baseless comments like that, check your facts.
I don't do damage calculators but if my memory serves me correctly, it take around 70%-80% damage, which it can't Slack Off and survive. So drop the cocky attitude and think clearly. Arrogance won't get you anywhere. >:[ |
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Drop ThunderPunch for Return on Ambipom, as Fire Punch and Ice Punch provide superior type coverage. ThunderPunch also has the inferior status ailment attached to it. I'd rather burn or freeze an enemy than paralyze it. |
Actually waker, Ice+Electric provide some of the best coverage in the game. Boltbeam anyone?
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Nothing in your team can survive a Megahorn, so the opponent won't CC unless he's brain damaged. Quote:
Ape can just Scheme while you switch and 2HKO you with Flamethrower whether or not you Pain Split. mmhmm, great "counter"... Ambipom wants Thunder btw. |
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If you mean CB Hera, then, I need something to counter it... any suggestions? |
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"Defender HP: 391 Damage: 93 - 109 Damage: 23.79% - 27.88%" Life Orbed Heracross's Close Combat Vs. Your Slowbro (Yeah, I went there with the Life Orb Thing) Then the following turn "Defender HP: 391 Damage: 372 - 438 Damage: 95.14% - 112.02%" Life Orbed Heracross's Megahorn Vs. Same Slowbro. Makes Slowbro say "HOLY ****". Both Adamant Nature because Jolly is so obsolete now. I could've been a prick, assumed Choice Band, and you know what CBed Heracrosses do? THEY MEGAHORN FIRST. And we both know Choice Band does more than Life Orb. Quote:
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Speaking of your Slowbro, you expect it to OHKO with little EV investment in Special Attack and no Calm Mind and Heracross's respectable Special Defense.
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Okay, I get it, CBHera causes problems <_<...
TEAM EDIT: Switching Spiritomb out for Dusknoir. TEAM EDIT #2: Switching Froslass out for something... I'm gonna go do some researching... okay... I'm stumped... I was thinking ChainChomp > Froslass... if not... I'm still open to suggestions... |
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In-game purposes would include, but are not limited to, the Battle Tower, Pokémon League, and capturing Giratina and Arceus (when the event for the Azure Flute is finally held). But we're getting off the topic. ShadowAzelf, you can use Gliscor for a Heracross counter. |
Okay, I just realized I can still get Cress, it'll go in the last slot... *Yawn* I'm too sleepy to edit the first post, so,
Cresselia @Leftovers Bold Nature EVs:240hp/132def/112spdef/4spd/4spattk Charge Beam Ice Beam Moonlight Lunar Dance Lunar Dance would be Cress's final move once her HP gets too low and Moonlight runs out of PP... The extra 4 EVs are to outspeed other Cresselias... |
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Battle Tower caps out at Lv50... Gliscor makes a nice Hera counter. Or you could even try Scarf Mence with Aerial Ace. EDIT: @Shadow Azelf - 8 Moonlights is a fair bit for competetive battling. Lunar Dance seems kind of a waste, when you could have another move that could prevent fainting anyway. May I suggest Twave/Psychic/Calm Mind? |
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I decided to use Staraptor as my Hera killer... Staraptor @Choice Scarf Adamant Nature EVs:252attk/116spd/140hp Close Combat Brave Bird Return Pursuit I'll add the explanation once I edit the first post. Alright, I've updated my team. |
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