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Anti December 27th, 2007 9:35 PM

ScarfGross's Team!
 
Yeah, you know the drill by now...RMT, but this is the one I use a lot. I win about 60% of my battles, and most of those losses come from being unprepared for electric moves.

Don't suggest standard sets to me, I know them but am choosing not to use them. So if I use CBinfernape, don't go running "MIXAPE MIXAPE MIXAPE!" I use everything for a reason.

EDIT: What a coincidence, I just battled (and defeated) my old rival, none other than Itachi 2007 with this team. The ULTIMATE revenge kill :/ One not even Metagross can touch. But at the same time...

EDIT 2: Yeah, I started using Raikou and it's done magnificent. It's replaceing Heatran, still open to all suggestions regarding the team. the electric thing is no longer a problem, thank goodness.

Anyways, here's me team:

Metagross @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Explosion
- Pursuit
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Tangrowth @ Leftovers
Trait: Leaf Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 228 Def / 28 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Sleep Powder
- Knock Off
- Leech Seed
- Power Whip

Physical wall, Vire counter. This is loads of fun to use. Knocks off items well and is all-around awesome.

Articuno @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 64 SAtk / 192 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Heal Bell
- Ice Beam
- Roar
- Roost

Special wall, beller, PHazer. Gengar counter. For the record, this thing is /THE/ most underrated pokemon in D/P. This thing just ROCKS.

Raikou @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 64 HP / 252 Spd / 96 SAtk / 96 SDef
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Calm Mind
- Substitute
- Hidden Power [Ice]

One of the first Smogon EV Spreads I actually like and use O_o Anyways, absorbs electric hits and destroys gengar. Main special sweeper has made many opposing teams the victims of "Raikourape" lol

Starmie @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 172 HP / 216 Spd / 120 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Rapid Spin
- Recover

Spinner and special sweeper that can stall a bit as well. Yeah, with Articuno a spinner is necessary.

Salamence @ Choice Band
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Stone Edge
- Flamethrower

CBmence is my physical sweeper and LEAD. lol at all the pokemon that get destroyed by this guy thinking it's specsmence.

ABYAY December 27th, 2007 10:26 PM

Question: Could Steelix prove effective as an electric absorber, replacing TAngrowth as the Vire Counter as well? (okay maybe not to Cross Chop, but it's unlikely to see Vire stay in and fight Steelix... c'mon. Sure that'd probably bring in the fire types, but with Heatran, then you're okay. They go ground, they're still gonna have some slight problems.

That's all I can suggest. Btw, I love that avatar picture; CAMERA FAIL!

Anti December 27th, 2007 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABYAY (Post 3201456)
Question: Could Steelix prove effective as an electric absorber, replacing TAngrowth as the Vire Counter as well? (okay maybe not to Cross Chop, but it's unlikely to see Vire stay in and fight Steelix... c'mon. Sure that'd probably bring in the fire types, but with Heatran, then you're okay. They go ground, they're still gonna have some slight problems.

That's all I can suggest. Btw, I love that avatar picture; CAMERA FAIL!

Fail = Win, ironically.

Gald you mentioned that. But no, grounds don't count since most electrics (such as Zapdos) have HP Ice or Grass to sink me down. Therefore, something that can take special hits well (not like a special wall good, but decent enough to shrug off a few hidden powers). An example would be Raikou, which I am considering...

ABYAY December 27th, 2007 10:39 PM

Well, would Lanturn with its Volt Absorb prove nice; pack some defense EVs and some sp. def as well, and it could be a versatile tank. Surely no single HP grass could take it down. Ice Beam to hit incoming ground maybe.

I don't know, it's 1:40AM, I gotta get up early, and I'm only like... 50% effective for now.

Goldenhammerhead December 27th, 2007 10:53 PM

Im 100% effective but thats about 25% of you guys I guess......

Maybe snorlax,curselax to be exact. Thick fat for ice, nice def to cover cross chop,takes sp hits like a pro, heals it self as well.

Im probably wrong but oh well worth a try.

Anti December 28th, 2007 12:45 PM

Alrighty guys, Smogon's mainsite is up again and I finally scrolled through some options. This is what I came up with to replace Heatran:

Raikou @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 64 HP / 252 Spd / 176 SAtk / 16 SDef
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Calm Mind
- Substitute
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Provides excellent electric resistance and more gengar coverage.

Sadly, my 'ol novelty from ADV doesn't work this gen.

But I love Raikou, and two pokemon with pressure, especially when one has sub and CM and the other has roost, is always a good time. My ground weak from heatran is softened a bit.

Also, specmence stands no chance against this thing, as I can set up a sub before it launches draco, and then it is crippled. So lol, specmence is a set-up fodder in a sense, lol

Also, I'm about to test out grass knot on Gross.

EDIT: Raikou is working out great! I ran into a Pory Z and it was at the mercy of my Raikou (though I switched Cuno in later and it took 42% from Tbolt and outstalled to win.

EDIT 2: I didn't realize how good Raikou still is! Example:

Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
Anti-Pop sent out Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
yellow_fever sent out Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's intimidate cut Salamence's attack!
Salamence's intimidate cut Salamence's attack!
Anti-Pop switched in Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
Salamence used Draco Meteor.
It's not very effective...
Metagross lost 43% of its health.
Salamence's special attack was harshly lowered.
---
yellow_fever: i didn't want to use that move
Metagross used Pursuit.
Salamence lost 38% of its health.
yellow_fever switched in Dragonite (lvl 100 Dragonite ?).
---
Anti-Pop: O_o
Anti-Pop switched in Tangrowth (lvl 100 Tangrowth ?).
Dragonite used Dragon Dance.
Dragonite's attack was raised.
Dragonite's speed was raised.
---
Dragonite used Fire Punch.
It's super effective!
Tangrowth lost 42% of its health.
Tangrowth used Sleep Powder.
Dragonite fell asleep!
Tangrowth's leftovers restored its health a little!
Tangrowth restored 6% of its health.
---
Dragonite is fast asleep!
Tangrowth used Knock Off.
Tangrowth knocked off foe Dragonite's Leftovers!
Dragonite lost 6% of its health.
Tangrowth's leftovers restored its health a little!
Tangrowth restored 6% of its health.
---
Dragonite woke up!
Dragonite used Fire Punch.
It's super effective!
Tangrowth lost 44% of its health.
Tangrowth used Leech Seed.
Dragonite was seeded!
Dragonite's health was sapped by leech seed!
Dragonite lost 12% of its health.
Tangrowth regained health!
Tangrowth restored 10% of its health.
Tangrowth's leftovers restored its health a little!
Tangrowth restored 6% of its health.
---
Dragonite used Fire Punch.
It's super effective!
Tangrowth lost 42% of its health.
Anti-Pop's Tangrowth fainted.
---
Anti-Pop switched in Raikou (lvl 100 Raikou).
Raikou is exerting its pressure!
yellow_fever: aaaaaaaaghhhhhhh
Dragonite used Dragon Dance.
Dragonite's attack was raised.
Dragonite's speed was raised.
Raikou used Substitute.
Raikou lost 25% of its health.
Raikou made a substitute!
Dragonite's health was sapped by leech seed!
Dragonite lost 12% of its health.
Raikou regained health!
Raikou restored 12% of its health.
Raikou's leftovers restored its health a little!
Raikou restored 6% of its health.
---
Dragonite used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Raikou!
Raikou's substitute faded!
Raikou used Hidden Power.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Dragonite lost 69% of its health.
yellow_fever's Dragonite fainted.
Raikou's leftovers restored its health a little!
Raikou restored 6% of its health.
---
yellow_fever switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
Salamence's intimidate cut Raikou's attack!
Raikou used Hidden Power.
It's super effective!
Salamence lost 62% of its health.
yellow_fever's Salamence fainted.
Raikou's leftovers restored its health a little!
Raikou restored 1% of its health.
---
yellow_fever: is that ice
Anti-Pop: Raikou is a force
Anti-Pop: and yeah
yellow_fever: pardon
Anti-Pop: HP Ice
yellow_fever: im new
Anti-Pop: Oh, I am too
Anti-Pop: Somewhat at least, I'm new to this metagame
yellow_fever switched in Froslass (lvl 100 Froslass ?).
yellow_fever: o
Raikou used Substitute.
Raikou lost 25% of its health.
Raikou made a substitute!
Froslass used Destiny Bond.
Froslass is trying to take its foe with it!
Raikou's leftovers restored its health a little!
Raikou restored 6% of its health.
---
Raikou used Calm Mind.
Raikou's special attack was raised.
Raikou's special defence was raised.
Froslass used Destiny Bond.
Froslass is trying to take its foe with it!
Raikou's leftovers restored its health a little!
Raikou restored 6% of its health.
---
Raikou used Calm Mind.
Raikou's special attack was raised.
Raikou's special defence was raised.
Froslass used Ice Beam.
The substitute took damage for Raikou!
Raikou's leftovers restored its health a little!
Raikou restored 6% of its health.
---
Raikou used Calm Mind.
Raikou's special attack was raised.
Raikou's special defence was raised.
Froslass used Destiny Bond.
Froslass is trying to take its foe with it!
Raikou's leftovers restored its health a little!
Raikou restored 6% of its health.
---
Raikou used Calm Mind.
Raikou's special attack was raised.
Raikou's special defence was raised.
Froslass used Ice Beam.
The substitute took damage for Raikou!
Raikou's substitute faded!
---
Raikou used Substitute.
Raikou lost 25% of its health.
Raikou made a substitute!
Froslass used Destiny Bond.
Froslass is trying to take its foe with it!
Raikou's leftovers restored its health a little!
Raikou restored 6% of its health.
---
Raikou used Calm Mind.
Raikou's special attack was raised.
Raikou's special defence was raised.
Froslass used Ice Beam.
The substitute took damage for Raikou!
Raikou's leftovers restored its health a little!
Raikou restored 6% of its health.
---
Raikou used Calm Mind.
Raikou's special attack was raised.
Raikou's special defence was raised.
Froslass used Ice Beam.
A critical hit!
The substitute took damage for Raikou!
Raikou's substitute faded!
Raikou's leftovers restored its health a little!
Raikou restored 6% of its health.
---
Raikou used Substitute.
Raikou lost 25% of its health.
Raikou made a substitute!
Froslass used Ice Beam.
The substitute took damage for Raikou!
Raikou's leftovers restored its health a little!
Raikou restored 6% of its health.
---
Anti-Pop: I suggest trying out Raikou, it rocks
yellow_fever: isn't it an uber
yellow_fever: the three dogs are my favorite pokemon
Anti-Pop: no, just legendary, it gets KILLED in ubers
yellow_fever: o
Raikou used Thunderbolt.
Froslass lost 100% of its health.
yellow_fever's Froslass fainted.
Raikou's leftovers restored its health a little!
Raikou restored 6% of its health.
---
Anti-Pop: Raikou is actually BL this gen because there are so many counters
yellow_fever: o
Anti-Pop: I know, it's shocking to me when it's such a monster
Anti-Pop: Suicune lost power too, but is still OU
yellow_fever: i know
yellow_fever: right
yellow_fever switched in Cloyster (lvl 100 Cloyster ?).
Anti-Pop: Raikou is the coolest dog IMO
Raikou used Thunderbolt.
It's super effective!
Cloyster lost 100% of its health.
yellow_fever's Cloyster fainted.
Raikou's leftovers restored its health a little!
Raikou restored 6% of its health.
---
yellow_fever: prolly
yellow_fever switched in Jolteon (lvl 100 Jolteon ?).
Anti-Pop: Suicune and Entei are cool too, it's a shame Entei sucks in competitive battling
yellow_fever: swept by a jolteon
yellow_fever: agreed
Anti-Pop: Jolteon is a good poke
yellow_fever: but suicune is really good
Anti-Pop: Vappy is the best eeveelution IMO though
Anti-Pop: Suicune is a god in OU play, but it isn't what it used to be
yellow_fever: no way
yellow_fever: umbreon
Raikou used Hidden Power.
Jolteon lost 100% of its health.
yellow_fever's Jolteon fainted.
Raikou's leftovers restored its health a little!
Raikou restored 6% of its health.
---
yellow_fever switched in Umbreon (lvl 100 Umbreon ?).
Anti-Pop: Umbreon is bad this gen
Raikou used Thunderbolt.
Umbreon lost 88% of its health.
Umbreon's Salac Berry raised its speed!
Umbreon used Baton Pass.
But it failed!
Raikou's leftovers restored its health a little!
Raikou restored 6% of its health.
---
Raikou used Thunderbolt.
Umbreon lost 12% of its health.
yellow_fever's Umbreon fainted.
Anti-Pop wins!

evilcheese December 29th, 2007 1:08 PM

shouldnt salamence have jolly and fire blast?

Anti December 29th, 2007 1:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilcheese (Post 3205255)
shouldnt salamence have jolly and fire blast?

No.

Fire Blast misses WAY too much and Flamethrower nails skarm hard anyways. Adamant for power, Jolly CBmence is nowhere near as good as adamant.

Wait, this thread is still alive? O_o

EDIT: Another example of what ScarfGross will do to you:

Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
Anti-Pop sent out Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence ?).
gunnels11 sent out IMMA RAPE JOO (lvl 100 Gyarados ?).
Salamence's intimidate cut IMMA RAPE JOO's attack!
IMMA RAPE JOO's intimidate cut Salamence's attack!
Anti-Pop switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
IMMA RAPE JOO used Substitute.
IMMA RAPE JOO lost 25% of its health.
IMMA RAPE JOO made a substitute!
---
Starmie used Thunderbolt.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for IMMA RAPE JOO!
IMMA RAPE JOO's substitute faded!
IMMA RAPE JOO used Dragon Dance.
IMMA RAPE JOO's attack was raised.
IMMA RAPE JOO's speed was raised.
---
Starmie used Thunderbolt.
It's super effective!
IMMA RAPE JOO lost 75% of its health.
gunnels11's IMMA RAPE JOO fainted.
---
gunnels11 switched in LOLYOU HATE ME! (lvl 100 Togekiss ?).
LOLYOU HATE ME! used Extremespeed.
Starmie lost 77% of its health.
Starmie used Thunderbolt.
It's super effective!
LOLYOU HATE ME! lost 43% of its health.
Starmie's leftovers restored its health a little!
Starmie restored 6% of its health.
---
Anti-Pop switched in Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
LOLYOU HATE ME! used Extremespeed.
LOLYOU HATE ME!'s attack missed!
---
gunnels11 switched in >:D (lvl 100 Gengar ?).
Metagross used Meteor Mash.
>:D lost 100% of its health.
gunnels11's >:D fainted.
---
gunnels11 switched in LOLYOU HATE ME! (lvl 100 Togekiss ?).
Metagross used Meteor Mash.
LOLYOU HATE ME! lost 57% of its health.
gunnels11's LOLYOU HATE ME! fainted.
---
gunnels11 switched in link31 (lvl 100 Lucario ?).
Anti-Pop switched in Articuno (lvl 100 Articuno).
Articuno is exerting its pressure!
link31 used Swords Dance.
link31's attack was sharply raised.
---
Anti-Pop switched in Tangrowth (lvl 100 Tangrowth ?).
link31 used Close Combat.
A critical hit!
Tangrowth lost 100% of its health.
Anti-Pop's Tangrowth fainted.
link31's defence was lowered.
link31's special defence was lowered.
---
Anti-Pop switched in Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
Metagross used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
link31 lost 100% of its health.
gunnels11's link31 fainted.
---
gunnels11 switched in Noobs ban me!!1! (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Metagross used Earthquake.
Noobs ban me!!1! lost 32% of its health.
Noobs ban me!!1! used Thunder Wave.
Metagross is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
Noobs ban me!!1!'s leftovers restored its health a little!
Noobs ban me!!1! restored 6% of its health.
---
Anti-Pop switched in Articuno (lvl 100 Articuno).
Articuno is exerting its pressure!
Noobs ban me!!1! used Ice Beam.
Articuno lost 10% of its health.
Articuno's leftovers restored its health a little!
Articuno restored 6% of its health.
Noobs ban me!!1!'s leftovers restored its health a little!
Noobs ban me!!1! restored 6% of its health.
---
Articuno used Heal Bell.
Noobs ban me!!1! used Ice Beam.
Articuno lost 11% of its health.
Articuno's leftovers restored its health a little!
Articuno restored 6% of its health.
Noobs ban me!!1!'s leftovers restored its health a little!
Noobs ban me!!1! restored 6% of its health.
---
Noobs ban me!!1! used Ice Beam.
Articuno lost 10% of its health.
Articuno used Roar.
gunnels11 switched in Pimp slap'd (lvl 100 Tangrowth ?).
Articuno's leftovers restored its health a little!
Articuno restored 6% of its health.
---
Articuno used Ice Beam.
It's super effective!
Pimp slap'd lost 96% of its health.
Pimp slap'd used Knock Off.
Pimp slap'd knocked off foe Articuno's Leftovers!
Articuno lost 4% of its health.
Pimp slap'd's leftovers restored its health a little!
Pimp slap'd restored 6% of its health.
---
Anti-Pop switched in Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
Pimp slap'd used Sleep Powder.
Metagross fell asleep!
Pimp slap'd's leftovers restored its health a little!
Pimp slap'd restored 6% of its health.
---
Anti-Pop switched in Raikou (lvl 100 Raikou).
Raikou is exerting its pressure!
Pimp slap'd used Knock Off.
Pimp slap'd knocked off foe Raikou's Leftovers!
Raikou lost 7% of its health.
Pimp slap'd's leftovers restored its health a little!
Pimp slap'd restored 6% of its health.
---
Raikou used Hidden Power.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Pimp slap'd lost 22% of its health.
gunnels11's Pimp slap'd fainted.
---
gunnels11 switched in Noobs ban me!!1! (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
gunnels11: Just wanting to know...That was CBgross right?
Anti-Pop switched in Articuno (lvl 100 Articuno).
Articuno is exerting its pressure!
Noobs ban me!!1! used Ice Beam.
Articuno lost 10% of its health.
Noobs ban me!!1!'s leftovers restored its health a little!
Noobs ban me!!1! restored 6% of its health.
---
Anti-Pop: nope, it's scarfed
Anti-Pop: Which is why it outsped Luke and Togekiss
gunnels11: oh mmk
Articuno used Heal Bell.
Noobs ban me!!1! used Thunder Wave.
Articuno is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
Noobs ban me!!1!'s leftovers restored its health a little!
Noobs ban me!!1! restored 6% of its health.
---
Anti-Pop: love the bliss nickname BTW
gunnels11: I didn't put any speed EV's into them, so Thats Why I thought it was banded.
Anti-Pop switched in Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
Noobs ban me!!1! used Ice Beam.
It's not very effective...
Metagross lost 11% of its health.
Noobs ban me!!1!'s leftovers restored its health a little!
Noobs ban me!!1! restored 1% of its health.
---
gunnels11: lol yeah
Metagross used Explosion.
Noobs ban me!!1! lost 100% of its health.
gunnels11's Noobs ban me!!1! fainted.
Anti-Pop wins!
Anti-Pop: gg
gunnels11: gg
gunnels11 has left the room.

Eos Aduro December 29th, 2007 3:47 PM

AH Scarfgross. Has Raikou been countering Vire though? Your team is weak to Vire, especially mixed Vire.

Thunderbolt takes down-Starmie, Articuno, Salamence
ICe Punch takes down-Salamence
Flamethrower (On Mixed Vire)-Articuno, Tangrowth, Metagross
Earthquake-Metagross, Raikou

Not really a good enough counter if it gets a hold of a Motor Boost. You might need something besides Raikuo, like Donphna to replace Tangrowth (I know, Tangrowth is awesome)

Anti December 29th, 2007 3:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3205662)
AH Scarfgross. Has Raikou been countering Vire though? Your team is weak to Vire, especially mixed Vire.

Thunderbolt takes down-Starmie, Articuno, Salamence
ICe Punch takes down-Salamence
Flamethrower (On Mixed Vire)-Articuno, Tangrowth, Metagross
Earthquake-Metagross, Raikou

Not really a good enough counter if it gets a hold of a Motor Boost. You might need something besides Raikuo, like Donphna to replace Tangrowth (I know, Tangrowth is awesome)

Tangrowth takes 30% from Ice Punch, Vire is handled. any power boosting item is kncoked off after I seed it...it's kind of funny to watch it helplessly try to beat it and fail.

BTW, Tbolt from Vire doesn't even scratch Articuno.

Eos Aduro December 29th, 2007 3:51 PM

Indeed, but Thunder Punch I've run on MixedVire, Flamethrower hits Skarm just as hard, and Thunder Punch relys on his higher stat. I actually meant Punch there.

Anti December 29th, 2007 3:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3205680)
Indeed, but Thunder Punch I've run on MixedVire, Flamethrower hits Skarm just as hard, and Thunder Punch relys on his higher stat. I actually meant Punch there.

Still doesn't take down Mence, dragon resists electric. Even with flying dual typing, Mence can come in, intimidate, and OHKO with EQ. I never switch it in though because ice punch WILL nail it and I have tangrowth for that anyways :P

Eos Aduro December 29th, 2007 3:56 PM

I guess. Ok no suggestions then.

Anti December 29th, 2007 4:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3205708)
I guess. Ok no suggestions then.

Actually, what really gives me a tough time is Heracross. Man I hate that thing >.> Metagross basically has to BOOM it or else I'm screwed basically, which is no fun.

Eos Aduro December 29th, 2007 4:06 PM

Hmmm, well if Articuno isnt a Phazer, HP flying could knock its head a bit.

Anti December 29th, 2007 4:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3205747)
Hmmm, well if Articuno isnt a Phazer, HP flying could knock its head a bit.

I wish, but it gets mega-hammered by CC or Stone Edge, it aint purty :( I was actually considering AA on Mence for such annoyance, perhaps that would be of benefit?

Eos Aduro December 29th, 2007 4:21 PM

Hmm, yah, maybe over Stone Edge.


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