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sims796 July 1st, 2008 4:13 PM

Meh, it's more of a fan favorite, as long as you have spinner support.

But there'sbeing creative, and being justplain noobish.

devilicious July 1st, 2008 4:23 PM

Yeah. One thing is using your favourites to their best, another thing is Ice Fang Glaceon.

Dark Azelf July 2nd, 2008 5:14 AM

Fake Tears/Wish/Ice Beam/Hidden power Fighting Glaceon is a nightmare, and especially because the thing is so bulky >_<.


Anyways, i have heard about something called the "Pursuit Glitch", that being if you ko one of your opponents pokemon with Pursuit and you have a Choice Item attached, you are allowed to change moves after when the opponent sends in their next pokemon, is this true ?

Houndoom88 July 2nd, 2008 5:40 AM

Help about a shiny Ponyta
 
Hello!
I recently caught a shiny Ponyta and lv. 17 and I don't know what to do with it; leave it lv. 17, train it, evolve it? If I have to train it, how will I EV train it ( i mean with what stats).
Thank you.

True Justice July 2nd, 2008 6:09 AM

I would check the IVs first. If they are in the single digits, then I wouldn't bother with it. Or if you don't want to train it, you can always keep it as a trophy.

Houndoom88 July 2nd, 2008 6:25 AM

It would be a good idea if I trained it to lv. 100.
But what stats do i have to increase?

True Justice July 2nd, 2008 6:31 AM

Probably Attack and Speed. Rapidash's Attack and Speed are it's highest stats and it has a few good Physical Moves (Flare Blitz and Megahorn) but if you want to talk about what stats it should have, you should request to Mod to move this into S&M.

Max™ July 2nd, 2008 7:04 AM

hey guys, not to make a big dela or anything but whats the difference between plates and items?

Sharp beak and Sky Plate?

Eisaku July 2nd, 2008 7:17 AM

What's wrong with using that? Atleast, I'm just wondering?

devilicious July 2nd, 2008 7:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3721266)
Anyways, i have heard about something called the "Pursuit Glitch", that being if you ko one of your opponents pokemon with Pursuit and you have a Choice Item attached, you are allowed to change moves after when the opponent sends in their next pokemon, is this true ?

It was present in the early Japanese versions, but was corrected in the NTSC-Y and PAL ones.

Matt-O July 2nd, 2008 9:36 AM

Should I put Flamethrower or Lava Plume on my Heatran? I like Flamethrower for more power but Lava Plume has a 30% burn chance.

devilicious July 2nd, 2008 10:20 AM

Mo Man, what set are you running? I'd use Fire Blast / Flamethrower on any set but the Restalk/Bulky one, which then I'd go with Lava Plume.

Matt-O July 2nd, 2008 10:27 AM

The set is:
[email protected] Orb (when I get another Life Orb)
40HP 252Sp.Att 216Spd Timid
Earth Power
Lava Plume/Flamethrower
HP Ice
Taunt

devilicious July 2nd, 2008 10:38 AM

Hm, Life Orb set... I'd probably go with Flamethrower, then. If you're going to get in for the sole purpose of hitting hard, then it's best to hit as hard as you can lol.

Matt-O July 2nd, 2008 10:40 AM

Okay, thanks. You don't happen to have a spare Life Orb do you? I've already got something holding the one that I have.

airconditioning July 2nd, 2008 11:02 AM

I've got a hacked Pearl save, and I'd be happy to trade you anything you need. :)

El Gofre July 2nd, 2008 11:04 AM

Can someone tell me why I've been seeing a rise in the use of porygon2 in DP games? Trace aside I don;t see any advantage.

Matt-O July 2nd, 2008 11:05 AM

Thanks, I just need a Life Orb. Do you want anything for it?

Gulpin July 2nd, 2008 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3722012)
Can someone tell me why I've been seeing a rise in the use of porygon2 in DP games? Trace aside I don;t see any advantage.

I think because of the Trace ability, but I am not 100% sure/

FireApe2135 July 2nd, 2008 11:12 AM

It is the trace ability... that is it ...

devilicious July 2nd, 2008 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chi-zukasi (Post 3722035)
I think because of the Trace ability, but I am not 100% sure/

It has Trace, a simply awesome ability, and is way bulkier than Porygon-Z.
P-Z sucks, really. I find P2 superior even in sweeping with the Charge Beam set.

airconditioning July 2nd, 2008 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mo Man (Post 3722017)
Thanks, I just need a Life Orb. Do you want anything for it?

Not particularly. Just tell me when you're going to be on.

EDIT: Actually, I could use a Combee for my Ranch. If you have one you can spare, that'd be great.

Matt-O July 2nd, 2008 11:31 AM

Okay, I'll be on Wifi in a couple of minutes.

Dark Azelf July 2nd, 2008 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3722012)
Can someone tell me why I've been seeing a rise in the use of porygon2 in DP games? Trace aside I don;t see any advantage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3722045)
It has Trace, a simply awesome ability, and is way bulkier than Porygon-Z.
P-Z sucks, really. I find P2 superior even in sweeping with the Charge Beam set.

Pretty much, it can also be tailored to counter threats such as Heatran, Gyarados, physical salamence and to some extent Garchomp.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Mo Man (Post 3722099)
Okay, I'll be on Wifi in a couple of minutes.

This thread is not for organizing trades, do it via pm, vm etc. Just not here.





@Deviruchi, thanks, i thought that glitch was too good to be true XD.

Houndoom88 July 2nd, 2008 12:19 PM

How do I send a message to them?
I want it to be moved to Strategies & Movesets .

AJ™ July 2nd, 2008 12:22 PM

I just reported to have it moved.
But they're probably going to close this thread, and allow you to make another.

airconditioning July 2nd, 2008 2:20 PM

Does the Synchronize trick work on roaming Pokemon? If it doesn't, Cressy will be a big pain to SR for...

devilicious July 2nd, 2008 2:46 PM

airconditioning, Synchronize works with any wild Pokémon, including Cresselia.

airconditioning July 2nd, 2008 2:54 PM

So, the fact that only one of the eight Cresselias I've recieved so far has been Bold is simply my bad luck? That's comforting.

devilicious July 2nd, 2008 2:59 PM

Yup, seems to be bad luck only. But I know greater pain- I spent weeks SRing for a Moltres on FireRed, where you can't have Synchronize support. ;_;

airconditioning July 2nd, 2008 3:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3722568)
Yup, seems to be bad luck only. But I know greater pain- I spent weeks SRing for a Moltres on FireRed, where you can't have Synchronize support. ;_;

I feel your pain. I've soft-resetted for both Mew and Deoxys on Emerald before. ;_;

Deoxys took less than a week, though. And I got a good Mew on my birthday.

EDIT: Also, when is this poll at the top of the page going to go away?

devilicious July 2nd, 2008 3:23 PM

But Synchronize works on Emerald, dear. :3
The only other thing I've SR'd for besides Moltres was Heatran, and luckily that took like... a couple hours.

And the poll will go away when I finally decide if I should teach Overheat to my Combusken.

sims796 July 2nd, 2008 3:28 PM

Personally, you should. Overheat was able to stop an Absol's Surf. Didn't you see May's battle?

Yeah, now I must know...how good is Arcanine?

devilicious July 2nd, 2008 3:31 PM

When I downloaded that Pokémon AG torrent, I skipped most Contest matches. ):

Anyway, I haven't ever used Arcanine, but a Mixed Set should work on theory!
I'd go with something like;

Arcanine @ Life Orb
228 Atk / 92 SpA / 188 Spe
Naïve
- Flare Blitz
- Overheat
- Hidden Power [Ground] / [Electric]
- Extremespeed

I guess it could work nicely lategame with SR support.
I'd go with HP [Ground] because I hate Heatran more than Gyarados, but that's up to you.

airconditioning July 2nd, 2008 3:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3722615)
But Synchronize works on Emerald, dear. :3

It does, but not on Legendaries. I've tested this.

devilicious July 2nd, 2008 3:48 PM

Oh, that's right. I remember reading something about that. :B
Well, it's not like I own Emerald. I've just borrowed my friend's so I could use some Tutors.

Anyway, I heard that there's a special Pokémon Ranch Flygon? Is this true?

airconditioning July 2nd, 2008 4:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3722657)
Anyway, I heard that there's a special Pokémon Ranch Flygon? Is this true?

Nope.

http://serebii.net/ranch/trade.shtml

These are all the Pokemon you can get from Hayley.

luke July 2nd, 2008 4:09 PM

I can't get the poll to go away. So we'll treat it like a painting or something that's really ugly but was really expensive, so we keep it around anyway to brag about how expensive it is.

sims796 July 2nd, 2008 4:09 PM

Did you recieve the Tangela yet? How is it? Is it any good?

airconditioning July 2nd, 2008 4:23 PM

Ooh, I think I might have gotten a good Cressy.

Cresselia, Bold
22-23/x/26-27/28-29/28-29/x

Not perfect, but looks pretty decent, especially since I only started SRing a few hours ago. Is it good enough for a RestTalk Cresselia?

sims796 July 2nd, 2008 4:45 PM

That looks very good.

MOAR HP.

airconditioning July 2nd, 2008 4:58 PM

Yeah, true. I could open up Pokesav and bump that number up a bit, but I'm just not the type. :/

sims796 July 2nd, 2008 5:00 PM

You're in quite a jam. soft reseting, as you know, ain't like breeding. If you give that up, you may not get another like that for a while.

airconditioning July 2nd, 2008 5:13 PM

I think I'll keep it. I mean, what are the odds that those ten points of HP are REEEAAALLLY going to matter? Surviving by only a few HP doesn't happen too often. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Gamerman/Image%20Macros/yelwacko.gif

sims796 July 2nd, 2008 5:22 PM

That's what JOO think. Personally, for walls, I shoot for at least 27 HP. For fickle sweepers with base 100 sumthin' speed, those 31 IVs are non negotiable.

Those few HPs can hurt at times. Not like defense, as moves can bypass HP, and result in toxic killing youa turn earlier than usual.

Food for thought.

Spoiler:
*The Moar You Know...*

Matt-O July 2nd, 2008 5:24 PM

Dude, those IVs are good. You would have to be an absolute perfectionist to get rid of that. Even without completely flawless IVs, well Ev'd Pkmn can do awesome in the hands of a good battler.

airconditioning July 2nd, 2008 5:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mo Man (Post 3722881)
well Ev'd Pkmn can do awesome in the hands of a good battler.

The way you say that makes me want to soft-reset...

Ah well, I already hit the buttons, so it's back to SRing for me. :/

Matt-O July 2nd, 2008 5:35 PM

Way to have self esteem ac. I'm not even that great at battling and my slightly less than perfect Pkmn do fine.

airconditioning July 2nd, 2008 5:42 PM

That's not what I meant. You just sounded like one of Serebii's Ash-Ketchum-wannabe scrubs. SO LONG AS I EV TRAIN MY MODEST HERACROSS WITH 0 ATK IVS I CAN BE THE BEST BATTLER LIKE NO ONE EVER WAS

But hey, while we're on the subject, is CM Cresselia any good? Because I just got this Cresselia:

Cresselia, Timid
28-29/31/30-31/0-1/24-25/30-31

I would keep this in a heartbeat if those Atk and SAtk IVs were switched. :/

EDIT: Whoops, flawless Defense. Didn't notice the 'Capable of Taking Hits'. :D

Gulpin July 2nd, 2008 5:43 PM

I have this team in the makings:
Crobat, Cloyster, Poliwrath, Jumpluff, Camerupt, Vileplume
Major weakness to Psychic, and Waters w/Ice moves (starmie)
What pokemon should I replace, and what should I replace it with? I came up wich these, but I'm unsure:
Parasect (UU) , Cacturne (UU), and Shiftry(UU)

devilicious July 2nd, 2008 5:44 PM

Oh wow. Now that's bad luck, wtf.
CB Cresselia go!

Matt-O July 2nd, 2008 5:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3722919)
That's not what I meant. You just sounded like one of Serebii's Ash-Ketchum-wannabe scrubs. SO LONG AS I EV TRAIN MY MODEST HERACROSS WITH 0 ATK IVS I CAN BE THE BEST BATTLER LIKE NO ONE EVER WAS

You already said that you had the right nature. Just because I'm not a perfectionist doesn't mean that I think Pikachu can kill Rhydon by zapping the horn.

airconditioning July 2nd, 2008 5:54 PM

Again, not what I meant. Most of the kids at Serebii think that with EV training, anything is possible. What you said made you sound like that. When I realized that only someone who sounded like a Serebii kiddie thought my Cresselia was good, I simply hit reset.

Either way, back to resetting.

Matt-O July 2nd, 2008 6:00 PM

Again, I know that there is a limit on how good a Pkmn can be based on its IVs. But mid to high 20s in all of the major stats is preety good in my opinion.

And for the record, I do use Serebii as a resource for seeing what a particular Pkmns stats are and for finding move parents.

airconditioning July 2nd, 2008 6:06 PM

Not what I meant (again). I use Serebii's Pokedex as well. I'm referring to the POKEMAHN MASTAHS that populate the Serebii forums.

Matt-O July 2nd, 2008 6:11 PM

Well I don't know what they're like, but you do realize that we have the occasional -what you call them- POKEMAHN MASTAH around here too. I was just saying that there is some space between godly and crap as far as IVs are concerned.

Gulpin July 2nd, 2008 6:14 PM

I have this team in the makings:
Crobat, Cloyster, Poliwrath, Jumpluff, Camerupt, Vileplume
Major weakness to Psychic, and Waters w/Ice moves (starmie)
What pokemon should I replace, and what should I replace it with? I came up wich these, but I'm unsure:
Parasect (UU) , Cacturne (UU), and Shiftry(UU)

Matt-O July 2nd, 2008 6:24 PM

Is this intended to be a UU team?

Gulpin July 2nd, 2008 6:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3722012)
Can someone tell me why I've been seeing a rise in the use of porygon2 in DP games? Trace aside I don;t see any advantage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mo Man (Post 3723041)
Is this intended to be a UU team?

Yes, with a few BL. (I think that crobat is the only BL)

Anti July 2nd, 2008 7:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chi-zukasi (Post 3723050)
Yes, with a few BL. (I think that crobat is the only BL)

It's either UU or OU. If you put BL pokemon in, even one, it's and OU team, so keep that in mind when you select spots for your team. Crobat is banned from UUs (which is why it's BL), so it would make your team OU putting it in.

devilicious July 2nd, 2008 7:20 PM

Yup. Just like Anti said, a single BL Pokémon makes a team OU.

BL isn't an actual tier- BL Pokémon are just Pokémon banned from UU.

airconditioning July 2nd, 2008 7:21 PM

Unless you play on 4chan. For some reason, the majority of battlers there play BL/UU. :/

devilicious July 2nd, 2008 7:52 PM

The people from /v/ usually just use their favourites. That's why it's fun to play with them.

Lately, I've only been doing roulette battles. They own. ♥

The Hero Without a Name July 2nd, 2008 8:24 PM

I got a breeding question...

So I got a female Buneary with 31 attack IV's. I'm gonna breed it with my Medicham (with all 3 elemental punches), who has 31 speed IV's. If they have a baby, and it inherits both maxed IV's, what characteristic will it show?

airconditioning July 2nd, 2008 8:30 PM

I have no idea, and I doubt anyone else does, either. Keep an eye out for both characteristics ('Likes to Thrash About' and 'Alert to Sounds').

The Hero Without a Name July 2nd, 2008 8:32 PM

Oh...

What's PokeSaving btw?

airconditioning July 2nd, 2008 8:56 PM

Pokesav is a program that allows you to edit every possible facet of a Pokemon save file- including the Pokemon itself. Pokesaving a Pokemon refers to creating/ hacking a Pokemon in Pokesav.

The Hero Without a Name July 2nd, 2008 9:00 PM

Ohh... How do people get it?

Houndoom88 July 2nd, 2008 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabian the Fastman (Post 3723305)
Ohh... How do people get it?

It is a program that you can easily download but you need a ds flashcard.
And with what EV's I have to train my shiny Ponyta?

Kirioroshi July 3rd, 2008 1:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabian the Fastman (Post 3723261)
I got a breeding question...

So I got a female Buneary with 31 attack IV's. I'm gonna breed it with my Medicham (with all 3 elemental punches), who has 31 speed IV's. If they have a baby, and it inherits both maxed IV's, what characteristic will it show?

if they inherit max atk and spd it will show, 'likes to thrash about' or 'alert to sounds.'

Houndoom88 July 3rd, 2008 1:55 AM

What physical attacks will my shiny rapidash learn?
Is Megahorn, Flare Blitz, Hypnosis, Will-o-wisp ok?

devilicious July 3rd, 2008 1:57 AM

What's the Rapidash's nature? I wouldn't recommend planning a moveset before taking it in consideration.

Houndoom88 July 3rd, 2008 2:09 AM

Quiet nature.
What do you think about it?

Ársa July 3rd, 2008 2:48 AM

No, definately not Quiet. Jolly would be better suited.

[email protected] Lens/Life Orb
Jolly
252 Atk, 192 Spd, 64 HP
Flash Fire

Flare Blitz
Earthquake / Will-o-Wisp
Megahorn / Will-o-Wisp
Hypnosis / Will-o-Wisp

~T_S

Houndoom88 July 3rd, 2008 2:53 AM

But my shiny Ponyta is Quiet Nature. It raises Sp. attack and lowers Speed. So i have to EV train the Sp. Attack and speed?

Archer July 3rd, 2008 4:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabian the Fastman (Post 3723261)
I got a breeding question...

So I got a female Buneary with 31 attack IV's. I'm gonna breed it with my Medicham (with all 3 elemental punches), who has 31 speed IV's. If they have a baby, and it inherits both maxed IV's, what characteristic will it show?

I was talking to someone about this on Smogon. Where there is a tie for two or more IVs, the characteristic is completely random. This becomes a pain when you are breeding a wall, usually with at least 3 flawless IVs.

Gulpin July 3rd, 2008 6:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti Pop Culture Warrior (Post 3723169)
It's either UU or OU. If you put BL pokemon in, even one, it's and OU team, so keep that in mind when you select spots for your team. Crobat is banned from UUs (which is why it's BL), so it would make your team OU putting it in.

I'll keep that in mind next time I decide to make a team, but if I use the right strategy with the team I posted above, it might barley survive in OU (I hope, I'm new to this)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3723178)
Yup. Just like Anti said, a single BL Pokémon makes a team OU.

BL isn't an actual tier- BL Pokémon are just Pokémon banned from UU.

So that basically means that I would have to replace Crobat if I was in an UU battle, but I wouldn't have to replace Crobat if I had an OU battle with the rest of the team?

And, my original question:
Witch pokemon should I replace and what should I replace it with, as I have a weakness to Psychic. (considering that this could be an OU team)

devilicious July 3rd, 2008 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chi-zukasi (Post 3724163)
So that basically means that I would have to replace Crobat if I was in an UU battle, but I wouldn't have to replace Crobat if I had an OU battle with the rest of the team?

Exactly. I'm glad you got the point easily. :3

Quote:

Originally Posted by chi-zukasi (Post 3724163)
And, my original question:
Witch pokemon should I replace and what should I replace it with, as I have a weakness to Psychic. (considering that this could be an OU team)

Grumpig is a great UU wall / CM sweeper, and resists Psychic. Or you could just use any Dark-type for immunity.

Romo_Owens July 3rd, 2008 11:49 AM

What's wrong with Milotic?
 
Hey everyone
I was just wondering, what's wrong with Milotic. I go on Serebii a lot and it brings up the terms "Bulky Water Pokemon" a lot but when they do it's always Swampert, Suicune, and Slowbro. If they mention Milotic, it's always "and to a lesser extent, Milotic". And to top it off, Milotic dwells in the borderline tier.
I need a special wall on my team, and I don't like Blissey or Snorlax because they're too easy to KO (come on, say what you want but physical fighting attacks like close combat are just too rampant) so I decided to go with milotic. The thing has 125 base Special attack managable 95 base hp, decent base 79 defense backed up by Marvle scale activated when Milotic is hit with a status attack. It also has only 2 weaknesses which only comes with one consistant counter (Electivire), a reliable recovery move (with 10 PP), access to hypnosis and a good movepool backed by a 100 base special attack. Frankly, I don't see why Milotic isn't OU and why it's regarded as worse than Swampert and Slowbro.

Gulpin July 3rd, 2008 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3724957)
Exactly. I'm glad you got the point easily. :3



Grumpig is a great UU wall / CM sweeper, and resists Psychic. Or you could just use any Dark-type for immunity.

Would Cacturne/Shifrty work? They both are able to beat water types w/Ice moves (starmie), and Psychic types. If so, which one should I use, and who should I replace. And do you think that the team has the capability to take on an OU team?

Gulpin July 3rd, 2008 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romo_Owens (Post 3724969)
Hey everyone
I was just wondering, what's wrong with Milotic. I go on Serebii a lot and it brings up the terms "Bulky Water Pokemon" a lot but when they do it's always Swampert, Suicune, and Slowbro. If they mention Milotic, it's always "and to a lesser extent, Milotic". And to top it off, Milotic dwells in the borderline tier.
I need a special wall on my team, and I don't like Blissey or Snorlax because they're too easy to KO (come on, say what you want but physical fighting attacks like close combat are just too rampant) so I decided to go with milotic. The thing has 125 base Special attack managable 95 base hp, decent base 79 defense backed up by Marvle scale activated when Milotic is hit with a status attack. It also has only 2 weaknesses which only comes with one consistant counter (Electivire), a reliable recovery move (with 10 PP), access to hypnosis and a good movepool backed by a 100 base special attack. Frankly, I don't see why Milotic isn't OU and why it's regarded as worse than Swampert and Slowbro.

First, this is the wrong section, this should be in the strategies and movesets. And secondly, BL mean border-line, which means that it is the same/better/just as good as many OU Pokemon but it isn't used as much. That is why BL is known as the 'fake' tier.

devilicious July 3rd, 2008 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chi-zukasi (Post 3724981)
Would Cacturne/Shifrty work? They both are able to beat water types w/Ice moves (starmie), and Psychic types. If so, which one should I use, and who should I replace. And do you think that the team has the capability to take on an OU team?

First of all, I'll start with your last question.
Yes. Any [constructed] team can beat any other team, if it's in the hands of an experienced player. In the end, it all comes down to the players. However, I wouldn't count on it too much. If you want to play against OU teams, use an OU team.

Now, both Cacturne and Shiftry are good sweepers- I prefer Cacturne to go physical, and Shiftry to go special. I have used both and can tell you they work great if played right. [But remember, if you're going to play UU, you're not really going to meet Starmie anytime soon.]

Gulpin July 3rd, 2008 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3724996)
First of all, I'll start with your last question.
Yes. Any [constructed] team can beat any other team, if it's in the hands of an experienced player. In the end, it all comes down to the players. However, I wouldn't count on it too much. If you want to play against OU teams, use an OU team.

Now, both Cacturne and Shiftry are good sweepers- I prefer Cacturne to go physical, and Shiftry to go special. I have used both and can tell you they work great if played right. [But remember, if you're going to play UU, you're not really going to meet Starmie anytime soon.]

This is my second team, so I'm far from experienced...
I think that I should probably go physical, but I like Shiftry as the Pokemon better. And which pokemon should I replace for Shifty/Cacturne?

Matt-O July 3rd, 2008 12:31 PM

It's not that Milotic is bad at what it does it's just that other Pkmn do the job better.

Circuit July 3rd, 2008 12:38 PM

And is quite hard to get.

El Gofre July 3rd, 2008 1:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mo Man (Post 3725030)
It's not that Milotic is bad at what it does it's just that other Pkmn do the job better.

That's the main reason. Suicune in particular completely outclasses it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokefan4 (Post 3725049)
And is quite hard to get.

No it isnt, wifi means it is extremely easy to get hold of either an already EVed milotic or one to breed from. Rarity is never a factor in determining competetive tiers.

Circuit July 3rd, 2008 1:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3725154)
That's the main reason. Suicune in particular completely outclasses it.



No it isnt, wifi means it is extremely easy to get hold of either an already EVed milotic or one to breed from. Rarity is never a factor in determining competetive tiers.

No, in getting it yourself, to max out a Feebas beauty is quite hard.

devilicious July 3rd, 2008 1:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokefan4 (Post 3725226)
No, in getting it yourself, to max out a Feebas beauty is quite hard.

What. No it isn't. Just abuse the Beauty Poffins.
It's actually ridiculously easy.

Gulpin July 3rd, 2008 2:04 PM

I think that this post got lost and overlooked with the merged thread, but:
Would Cacturne/Shifrty work? They both are able to beat water types w/Ice moves (starmie), and Psychic types. If so, which one should I use, and who should I replace. And do you think that the team has the capability to take on an OU team?
(this conversation was with Deviruchi)

Glaceon_ July 3rd, 2008 3:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3725257)
What. No it isn't. Just abuse the Beauty Poffins.
It's actually ridiculously easy.

To make it more accurate, you'd have to abuse Pamtre Berries to make Berries suitable for a suitable Feebas. I did it for my Vaporeon, since I sent her through the Beauty Contests. But so long as you've access to the Berries required, and are decent at making Poffins, its pretty easy to get a Milotic. Not ridiculously, though. I'd say an average on ease.

Super Puppy July 3rd, 2008 4:00 PM

I wouldn't suggest going with Milotic (or other Waters) as a Special Wall; as Thunderbolt is one of the most common special moves out there and nearly every competitive team has a Pokemon with it. That's actually quite unfortunate, as there are many Water-rypes with fantastic SDef.

devilicious July 3rd, 2008 4:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super Puppy (Post 3725500)
I wouldn't suggest going with Milotic (or other Waters) as a Special Wall; as Thunderbolt is one of the most common special moves out there and nearly every competitive team has a Pokemon with it. That's actually quite unfortunate, as there are many Water-rypes with fantastic SDef.

Just run Mirror Coat. Hah.
Wacan + Mirror Coat Mantine is pure love. ♥

sims796 July 3rd, 2008 4:10 PM

The only thing better is surviving a Calm Mind Blissey's T-Bolt (at a crit) and Mirror Coating it to death.

Hax be praised.

I got this Riolu


Adamant
Steadfast
ATK: 25
Speed: 27
Sp.Def:30 (WTF)

Wonderful, right?

Archer July 3rd, 2008 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3725515)
The only thing better is surviving a Calm Mind Blissey's T-Bolt (at a crit) and Mirror Coating it to death.

Hax be praised.

I got this Riolu


Adamant
Steadfast
ATK: 25
Speed: 27
Sp.Def:30 (WTF)

Wonderful, right?

Yucky.
Aim for 30-31 in Attack and Speed.

A 31 IV in speed keeps you above Timid Heatran...

sims796 July 4th, 2008 6:09 AM

Well of course I'd aim for that, it's whether I get it or not. I can't be too picky now, I only have a small amount of time to battle.

Regardless, I'll rebreed, but if I don't get anything better soon, I'll use that. Attack doesn't have to be max, at most, it only results in a 3-4 point different in damage. As for speed, that is also pretty iffy. It does have a priority move to make up for it, and I already have three Heatran counters.

Two if it has HP Electric for whatever reason.

devilicious July 4th, 2008 7:28 AM

Yeah, but what if you face another Lucario?

I'm with Archer- I believe max speed and attack are a must.

sims796 July 4th, 2008 7:31 AM

Then Tangrowth can handle it.

As long as it doesn't have Blaze Kick :P

I'll rebreed, but I feel absolute max attack isn't a necessity. I'll try for speed, but as I said, I can't afford to waste my entire wifi summer on it--I only have 3 weeks of battling. My summers are short :(

However, I do think I need speed. I try harder for it.

The Hero Without a Name July 4th, 2008 8:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 3723992)
I was talking to someone about this on Smogon. Where there is a tie for two or more IVs, the characteristic is completely random. This becomes a pain when you are breeding a wall, usually with at least 3 flawless IVs.

Holy crap... I was considering raising a Togekiss with a Timid/Modest nature and 31 SPATK and SPD IV's. But getting THAT, along with Serene Grace, is really gonna make me rip my hair out.

It almost seems bad enough trying to get that Buneary with perfect ATK/SPD IV's and passing them on to a Sneasel.

devilicious July 4th, 2008 8:21 AM

It really isn't that hard. You just need good parents and some patience.

sims796 July 4th, 2008 8:27 AM

True enough. At most, I would like up to max speed. 30 is the least.

As for attack, I don't mind 25 or higher. Only 25 or higher. No less. Anything less will cost me an OKHO, if you get my drift.


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