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devilicious July 4th, 2008 8:39 AM

Yeah, I think that for sweepers, 31 speed is a definite must, while I always get 31 HP and the desired defense for walls and tanks.

sims796 July 4th, 2008 10:31 AM

Ha! Look at this

Riolu
Adamant
Steadfast (don't care)
HP:19
ATK:27
DEF:29 (WTF)
Sp.Atk:20 (srsly)
Sp.Def:12(aw)
Speed:31

On my second try! A shame, I got used to the girl. Aw well. Thanks to all whoconvinced me to hold off.

But no more. I still gotta breed Tangela.

The Hero Without a Name July 4th, 2008 6:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 3723992)
I was talking to someone about this on Smogon. Where there is a tie for two or more IVs, the characteristic is completely random. This becomes a pain when you are breeding a wall, usually with at least 3 flawless IVs.

Oh yeah, so if it's completely random, could, say, "Proud of its power" show up on a 31 ATK/SPD IV one?

airconditioning July 4th, 2008 6:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabian the Fastman (Post 3728523)
Oh yeah, so if it's completely random, could, say, "Proud of its power" show up on a 31 ATK/SPD IV one?

No, that's impossible. 'Proud of its Power' would only show up for a 30 in Atk. 'Likes to Thrash About' would show up for a 31 Atk IV. For more info, see Serebii's Characteristic page.

Wait a minute, you said this was for Togekiss? Why are you trying to get flawless Atk IVs on a Pokemon that generally uses Special Attacks?

And Sims, you really should invest some time into catching good-IVed Dittos. They really help speed up the breeding, especially since you can use them for all of your future breeding projects.

The Hero Without a Name July 4th, 2008 7:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3728540)
No, that's impossible. 'Proud of its Power' would only show up for a 30 in Atk. 'Likes to Thrash About' would show up for a 31 Atk IV. For more info, see Serebii's Characteristic page.

Wait a minute, you said this was for Togekiss? Why are you trying to get flawless Atk IVs on a Pokemon that generally uses Special Attacks?

And Sims, you really should invest some time into catching good-IVed Dittos. They really help speed up the breeding, especially since you can use them for all of your future breeding projects.

Whoops. The ATK is for Weavile. The reason it'd be a pain to try and get perfect SPATK and SPD IV's on Togekiss is because of the chance that offspring might not have Serene Grace... I already blew up a week ago when I EV trained and used up a Shiny stone to get a Togekiss with a Timid nature and 31 SPATK IV's... and just after i'd finished, I found out it had HUSTLE.

airconditioning July 5th, 2008 9:18 AM

Aw, that's nothing. I spent weeks trying to breed a Rhyperior (4 IVs) with Solid Rock. Not to mention the time I put into breeding my Swampert (who needed 5 IVs).

The Hero Without a Name July 5th, 2008 11:06 AM

Wow...

Spending a couple of days getting a Timid, mischievous Togekiss with Serene Grace doesn't seem too bad compared to that.

MayorPork July 5th, 2008 1:42 PM

I don't think this post deserves its own thread since flareon is a UU anyway, but would this be a good moveset for him?

[email protected] Salac berry
EV's: 252/Atk 252/Spd 4/??
Fire fang
Endure
Flail
Quick attack

Ugh, why doesn't flareon learn flare blitz...

. July 5th, 2008 1:50 PM

How much would the usual Crocune (Bold, 252 HP/DEF) take from the following Earthquakes.

252 Att/Spe Jolly Mamo and Garchomp

252 Att/Spe Adamant CB Dugtrio.

sims796 July 5th, 2008 1:56 PM

True enough, air.

I'll hit you up over VM laterfor a cloning request.

Hah, I just got this Tangela:

Now behold

Tangela
HP:27
ATK:29
DEF:30
SP.ATK:14
SP.DEF:29
SPE:2

Her natural Base HP is over9000 100, so I can definately get away with such HP EVs. Unlike airconditioning (the hell is up with that name), whose Cressy's HP was under 25, which is unacceptable. Sp.Atk is sucky, but who cares.

She has great Sp.Def, for whatever reason. slow as dirt, but who cares. Most importantly, it has the inferior Leaf Guard ability, but that matters not. s said, beggars can't be choosers. I'll invest time into getting good Ditto, but in the meantime, I must stick with this.

El Gofre July 5th, 2008 4:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MayorPork (Post 3730584)
I don't think this post deserves its own thread since flareon is a UU anyway, but would this be a good moveset for him?

[email protected] Salac berry
EV's: 252/Atk 252/Spd 4/??
Fire fang
Endure
Flail
Quick attack

Ugh, why doesn't flareon learn flare blitz...

That set isnt great tbh, rock types and priority moves go OLOL! check out smogon for the standard sets.

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3730600)
How much would the usual Crocune (Bold, 252 HP/DEF) take from the following Earthquakes.

252 Att/Spe Jolly Mamo and Garchomp

252 Att/Spe Adamant CB Dugtrio.

Garchomp/Mamoswine-
- 32.55-38.42 unboosted
- 42.23-49.85% with LO

Dugtrio-
- 35.48-41.64%

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3730614)
True enough, air.

I'll hit you up over VM laterfor a cloning request.

Hah, I just got this Tangela:

Now behold

Tangela
HP:27
ATK:29
DEF:30
SP.ATK:14
SP.DEF:29
SPE:2

Her natural Base HP is over9000 100, so I can definately get away with such HP EVs. Unlike airconditioning (the hell is up with that name), whose Cressy's HP was under 25, which is unacceptable. Sp.Atk is sucky, but who cares.

She has great Sp.Def, for whatever reason. slow as dirt, but who cares. Most importantly, it has the inferior Leaf Guard ability, but that matters not. s said, beggars can't be choosers. I'll invest time into getting good Ditto, but in the meantime, I must stick with this.

On the contrary, i find a wall that is effectively immune to status a better one than one that just outspeeds stuff. Great IVs where it matters though.

sims796 July 5th, 2008 4:28 PM

True enough, gofre. I never said I hated Leaf Guard (that name sounds so great), but Chlorophyll may be useful. For instance, in the RARE moments I get bathed in strong sunlight, I can turn the tables with an unexpected sweep. But hey, Plume can do that, and sunlight is so rare, the ability doesn't matter.

A shame on the sp.atk, though. Then I would be free to swap back & forth between Energy Ball & Power Whip (this is whifi, so can just delete a move & relearn it whenever.

airconditioning July 5th, 2008 5:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3730614)
airconditioning (the hell is up with that name)

What the hell is up with YOUR username.

Oh yeah, I went there.

Quote:

whose Cressy's HP was under 25, which is unacceptable.
Which is why I didn't keep that Cressy. I'm still resetting for one. :/

But yeah, that Tangela looks fine. Pretty great, even. If you're really worried about that SAtk, then use it as a parent, but personally, I would keep it (I only know enough about Tangrowth to know it gets POWER WHIP).

sims796 July 5th, 2008 5:18 PM

No, that's a minor, minor, very minor inconvinence. All that means is that I can't fire Hypur [email protected], but other than that, who gives a damn.

I had bred several boxes worth of Tangela, but the second one bred was the best :P

BREAKINGBEN July 5th, 2008 5:20 PM

'Kay... quick question here.

I'm (still) new in this whole EV business, and I want to know if I'm keeping tally right. Every time I KO a Starly (EV training 'Dile for Speed, yes the same one you traded me AC. Don't judge! I'm lazy) I make a tally under a column I labeled Speed (wouldn't make sense if it was "Carrot" now would it). Is that right? Also, when a site says to train a Pokemon for X amount of EVs for a stat, is that how many Pokemon I should KO? (Right now I'm at 100 for Totodile, with 128 to go...) Also also, can you EV two stats at the same time? I KO'd a Bidoof for HP when I was KO'ing Starlys.

airconditioning July 5th, 2008 5:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BREAKINGBEN (Post 3731011)
I make a tally under a column I labeled Speed (wouldn't make sense if it was "Carrot" now would it). Is that right? Also, when a site says to train a Pokemon for X amount of EVs for a stat, is that how many Pokemon I should KO?

Not exactly. Remember, different Pokemon give different amounts of EVs. For example, Golbat gives 2 Spe EVs, Shinx gives 1 Atk EV, and Gengar gives 3 SAtk EVs. This number is altered by your given item (Macho Brace, or the Power Items) and by Pokerus (if you have it.).

Since you're training against Starly, you gain 1 Spe EV per Starly. This number is altered depending on your item and Pokerus, of course, so tell me if you're training with either of those conditions.

When a site says to train for X amount of EVs, it means X amount of EVs. For example, let's say that a build demanded 240 SAtk EVs. My favorite place to train SAtk is on Golducks, who give 2 SAtk EVs. At a rate of 2 SAtk EVs per battle (assuming no other factors), I would need to kill 120 Golducks to finish. Of course, since I'm not a caveman, I train with Pokerus and the Power Lens, giving 12 EVs per battle, at which rate 20 Golducks will need to be killed.

Quote:

Also also, can you EV two stats at the same time? I KO'd a Bidoof for HP when I was KO'ing Starlys.
You can do that. Just be careful- you may wind up losing track if you train for two stats at once.

BREAKINGBEN July 5th, 2008 5:57 PM

I know Starlys give 1 EV point (or... whatever) so I've been tallying one per KO.

No items, no PKRS. Just a Totodile knocking down birds :).

I went with the DDance set on smogon (since I have DDance and didn't want to waste it) and it said 28 HP (I've done 1... the Bidoof)/252 Atk (I've done 70... Vitamins. Wasn't rich enough to get 100 :()/228 Spe (I have 93 left). So with what you're saying, I think I did this right. In the end I should have +7 HP/+63 Atk/ and +57 Spe, right?

EDIT: Oh, and I'd have to KO 28 Bidoofs, 252... somethings, and 228 Starlys.

airconditioning July 5th, 2008 6:18 PM

Yeah, that seems about right. But seriously, find a better place to train. That place sounds like it would take forever to EV train at.

BREAKINGBEN July 5th, 2008 6:23 PM

D: it is. I'll try to find a better place, but the Starlys come at a good rate (sometimes). I'll probably come back for the HP training since the Bidoofs are everywhere!!!

But yeah, thanks again! ^^

El Gofre July 6th, 2008 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3730917)
True enough, gofre. I never said I hated Leaf Guard (that name sounds so great), but Chlorophyll may be useful. For instance, in the RARE moments I get bathed in strong sunlight, I can turn the tables with an unexpected sweep. But hey, Plume can do that, and sunlight is so rare, the ability doesn't matter.

I never said you said you hated, but you did call it inferior ;)
And somehow I dont see a poke with 0 SpAtt investment and self-confessed bad IVs performing an unexpected sweep :P let tangroth continue to do what it does best, which is walling.

Red X July 6th, 2008 3:30 AM

If i breed a Gligar with 31 IV's in HP and ATK with a Gligar with 31 IV's in DEF will i get a Gligar that has 31 IV's in HP, ATK and DEF?

Archer July 6th, 2008 3:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red X (Post 3731868)
If i breed a Gligar with 31 IV's in HP and ATK with a Gligar with 31 IV's in DEF will i get a Gligar that has 31 IV's in HP, ATK and DEF?

You can, but it's a slim chance.

All 6 IVs are inherited from the parents. Then, upon hatching, 3 are randomly overwritten.

Good luck...

airconditioning July 6th, 2008 6:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 3731915)
All 6 IVs are inherited from the parents. Then, upon hatching, 3 are randomly overwritten.

What? No. All six IVs are randomly determined, not inherited. After that, three random IVs are randomly chosen, and overwritten with IVs from one of the parents.

Yes, you can get a Gligar with 31 Atk, HP, and Def, but it's gonna take a while, I'll tell you that right now. But if you keep at it, and keep breeding, you'll eventually get a Gligar with those inherited IVs.

sims796 July 6th, 2008 7:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3731667)
I never said you said you hated, but you did call it inferior ;)
And somehow I dont see a poke with 0 SpAtt investment and self-confessed bad IVs performing an unexpected sweep :P let tangroth continue to do what it does best, which is walling.

Whatever works. Vileplume isn't made for sweeping, yet in the sunlight, I've takeen dowm my fair share of pokes with it. Along with being weak to fire, I have Aromatherapy for status, and with the few times Sunlight actually shows up, KO'ing a few pokes that had not expected it would be better, as no one would waste time statusing it in the sunlight with a now quadruple weakness.

But I have it, I might as well enjoy it.

I also sorta don't see what 0 Sp.Atk has anything to do with sweeping. He does have near max attack IV...

Take that. You just got pwn >:[

El Gofre July 6th, 2008 8:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3732262)
Whatever works. Vileplume isn't made for sweeping, yet in the sunlight, I've takeen dowm my fair share of pokes with it. Along with being weak to fire, I have Aromatherapy for status, and with the few times Sunlight actually shows up, KO'ing a few pokes that had not expected it would be better, as no one would waste time statusing it in the sunlight with a now quadruple weakness.

But I have it, I might as well enjoy it.

I also sorta don't see what 0 Sp.Atk has anything to do with sweeping. He does have near max attack IV...

Take that. You just got pwn >:[

I think not good sir ;)

First off, I was never made aware that you have aromatherapy support, therefore my decision was correct with the information i had to hand

Secondly, While a maxed IV is all well and dandy, A neutral nature and No EVs is still sufficiently lacking for anything capable of being described as a sweep. Yes he can catch things by suprise, but the odds of him running teams through are slim at best.

We'll leave at that we're both right :)

sims796 July 6th, 2008 8:06 AM

I think I just got counterpwned.

We can just say, we're both right, & wrong. I won't be seeing sunlight enough to care.

Rogue_Ninja July 6th, 2008 12:39 PM

EV Training Clarification!!
 
So before i invest anymore time into ev training i wanna make sure im doing the right thing. So far im training a pichu so im ev training for speed so if i take on 17 starly's that would be 17 ev points into speed correct?

Forci Stikane July 6th, 2008 12:43 PM

Yes, one point for each one.

Mukkamoto July 6th, 2008 12:45 PM

......and there are ways to speed that up
1) by gaining PKRS and doubling the amount EV's you recieve from the pokemons
2) by feeding your pokemon vitamins/drugs [10 bottles = 100 EV''s which is the max you can feed it]

Rogue_Ninja July 6th, 2008 12:45 PM

Awesome thanks. Just wanna make sure im heading in the right direction.

The Hero Without a Name July 6th, 2008 2:02 PM

Okay, so I evolved one of those baby Sneasels from the Lopunny and Sneasel. Here are the IV's for my new lv68 Weavile...
HP: 27
ATK: 24
DEF: 20-21
SPATK: 9
SPDEF: 10
SPD: 31

They decent?

sims796 July 6th, 2008 2:46 PM

MOAR ATTACK!!!

24 is unacceptable.

airconditioning July 6th, 2008 3:31 PM

Make it a parent. That Speed is nice. But shoot for 31 in Atk.

EDIT: Speaking of breeding, Sims, I still owe you those Dittos. :/

sims796 July 6th, 2008 3:44 PM

Thanks, air. Not right now, though, I need to lie down for a while. Ever heard of itis? Well, yeah.

At the very least, get 27 or over in Attack.

. July 6th, 2008 8:22 PM

Is it true a CBDeoxys-a w/ Max Attack and Adamant nature can only 3HKO Ninjask?

airconditioning July 6th, 2008 8:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3734239)
Is it true a CBDeoxys-a w/ Max Attack and Adamant nature can only 3HKO Ninjask?

With Superpower? I'd imagine, given that Ninjask 4x resists it, and Deoxys' Atk lowers one stage after every use.

The Hero Without a Name July 7th, 2008 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3733407)
MOAR ATTACK!!!

24 is unacceptable.

Eh. Okay.

Frick... there goes my razor claw TT

Pikasaur July 8th, 2008 9:06 AM

What moves should I change on my Charizard in Yellow?

Charizard
Level 54
Attacks:
Seismic Toss
Rage
Flamethrower
Slash

I think I could find better moves but I'm not sure.

airconditioning July 8th, 2008 9:21 AM

Seismic Toss and Rage aren't going to get you anywhere. Give him some Earthquake. Also, Body Slam > Slash.

As for the last slot, I have no idea what Charizard learns. :/

Rogue_Ninja July 8th, 2008 2:07 PM

Ok so im just about to finish 1/2 my ev training. Ev trained in speed.

Breloom/Brave/Alert to sounds lvl 29

moves-poison powder/headbutt/force palm/leech seed

95/51/47/45/63

Any suggestions for me?

Rogue_Ninja July 8th, 2008 2:14 PM

Also i used 8 proteins any idea how many ev points that is?

*sorry for the double post but the forums wasnt registering the first post and bumping the thread up*

airconditioning July 9th, 2008 6:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogue_Ninja (Post 3739066)
*sorry for the double post but the forums wasnt registering the first post and bumping the thread up*

It did register, trust me. You just have to be a bit patient and wait for the forum to update.

Anyway, I can tell you right now that's a bad nature for Breloom- Brave lowers his Speed, which he needs. As for his stats, it's impossible to tell what's what unless we know the IVs, too, and the exact amount of EVs he has.

Also, vitamins add 10 EVs to their given stat (but of course, stop at 100).

123456789 July 9th, 2008 4:10 PM

any good BL mixed sweepers besides blaziken????????????

The Hero Without a Name July 9th, 2008 7:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 123456789 (Post 3742404)
any good BL mixed sweepers besides blaziken????????????

It's possible to use Arcanine.

devilicious July 9th, 2008 7:26 PM

Not BL, but Crawdaunt, Sharpedo and Golduck work well as Mixed Sweepers. Also Nidoking.

The Hero Without a Name July 11th, 2008 8:43 AM

Another question!

So you guys know how when you breed, the child inherites 2 IV's from the father and 1 from the mother?

If you breed a genderless pokemon, though, who's the mother/father?

airconditioning July 11th, 2008 8:48 AM

No, when you breed, three IVs are chosen at random from a pool of twelve (the mother's IVs, and the father's IVs). It's possible to inherit all three IVs from one side of the family.

Supreme Dirt July 11th, 2008 10:02 AM

Alrighty, a simple 2 questions, from my curiosity.

Pokemon X has 99 SpAtk EVs
SD uses a Calcium.
Do EVs = 100 or 109?

Pokemon X has 509 EVs
Pokemon X is holding Power Weight.
Pokemon X defeats a geodude.
Does it get the EVs from Geodude or Power Weight?

devilicious July 11th, 2008 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Dirt (Post 3747503)
Alrighty, a simple 2 questions, from my curiosity.

Pokemon X has 99 SpAtk EVs
SD uses a Calcium.
Do EVs = 100 or 109?

Pokémon X gets no EVs. Calcium has no effect.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Dirt (Post 3747503)
Pokemon X has 509 EVs
Pokemon X is holding Power Weight.
Pokemon X defeats a geodude.
Does it get the EVs from Geodude or Power Weight?

Pokémon X gains 1 Defense EV.

Supreme Dirt July 11th, 2008 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3747559)
Pokémon X gets no EVs. Calcium has no effect.



Pokémon X gains 1 Defense EV.

Alrighty. So an EV item will only increase if EVs < 91.
And Pokemon EVs take precedence over item EVs.
Thanks.

airconditioning July 11th, 2008 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3747559)
Pokémon X gets no EVs. Calcium has no effect.

No, it would be 109. Calcium would have an effect.

kman300 July 13th, 2008 12:51 AM

100 first ones and then the rest later? I wasn't to sure about that either.

devilicious July 13th, 2008 8:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3747908)
No, it would be 109. Calcium would have an effect.

Really? I don't think it was like this last generation. Oh well.

Matt-O July 14th, 2008 1:47 PM

I have a question about the IV traits (hates to lose, loves to eat, etc.). If a Pkmn has 2 31 IVs, will that trait be whatever is listed first when looking at its stats? I mean if I had something with 31 in Att and HP, would it say often dozes off or could it say whatever 31 Att is?

devilicious July 14th, 2008 1:50 PM

No. It's completely random.

I miss the Emerald IV guy. ;;

Matt-O July 14th, 2008 1:52 PM

Okay thanks. Hopefully that will make breeding quicker.

MayorPork July 15th, 2008 10:04 AM

serebii IV calculator.

Ok so I came up with a new strategy, but as a beginner, I don't know whether it's good or not. I'll just write an abbreviated version I guess.

Mew or gorebyss
barrier
amnesia
Baton pass
Filler(psychic? surf? for taunt)

Ninjask
swords dance
Substitute
baton pass
Filler(x-scissor?)

[email protected] White herb
4 attack moves


I put Mew/Gorebyss first because ninjask needs the defense. I'm not sure if white herb works for haze, so if it doesnt, leftovers.

Matt-O July 15th, 2008 10:17 AM

I suppose it could work but it wouldn't take long for most people to see what you're doing and lots of teams have some sort of hazer or Phazer. Plus Stealth Rocks and and Spikes/TS could really screw you over.

MayorPork July 15th, 2008 10:19 AM

I understand. But does white herb work for haze? because I'm trying to get one with pickup.

Matt-O July 15th, 2008 10:41 AM

I don't think so. It might, but I somehow doubt it.

sims796 July 15th, 2008 11:12 AM

No, it wouldn't. Wouldn't work, I mean.

For one thing, critical hits, which happens far too often, cuts straight through your defense boost. White Herb only works once, then your pissed out of an item. Most importantly, PHazers, which are pokes with Roar/Whirlwind, will blow those stats away.

That Ninjask set is the standard. Yes, it has X-Scizzor. But as I said, very common.

Matt-O July 15th, 2008 6:28 PM

How important is speed to Calm Tentacruel? I bred one that has good HP, Def, Sp.Def, and Sp.Att IVs but 3 Speed. Should I aim for higher or does he not really need to be quick?

kissing. raindrops July 16th, 2008 11:41 PM

uhhm, hi everyone, sorry if this questions kinda dumb or if it'ss not in the right thread, but;;
someone PLEASE explain to me what IVS are?!
like.. i kinda know what EFFORT VALUESS are (aren't they just things every pokemon gives off and if you reach ten for a stat, then that stat gains by one when you level up?) .... just not ivs..
and how are you like, supposed to find the "base stats" of a pokemon?=S ... also for like.. competitive battling.. i'll see like a moveset, and then it'll be like, 100 speed, 8 hp? like what is that implying?=S
someone please answer cause i'm soo confused=(

Outlawed July 17th, 2008 1:38 AM

Bulky Mence
 
Yo, I've been playing around the EV's with my Salamence, and I need it to be able to take on a ScarfChomp after just one DD
Would this work?

Salamence @ Life Orb
160 Hp / 186 Atk / 164 Speed
Jolly
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Flamethrower/Fire Blast

Not your average, Roosting Bulk Mence, cause it aint that Bulky. What this does, is outspeed ScarfChomp after just 1 Dragon Dance. Also, it can outspeed Adamant Mence, and Adamant Garchomp and even Jolly Dragonite and get a DD in first. It's fails to OHKO Defenseive Blissey with just one Dragon Claw after the DD and it's 371 HP is BIG allowing it to live through the Ice Beam of standard 40 Sp.Atk Blissey which means I can DD while Blissey Ice Beams me. Flamethrower with a negative fails to OHKO Skarmory that has full HP. Fire Blast would do the job SOMETIMES and may not OHKO it. Whirlwind would stop my attempts to take it unless I invest in some sp.atk. But again, Skarmory is dealt with on the team this mence is on and has counters.
So basically what this does is outspeed ScarcChomp after 1 DD, and it tricks Blissey by living through Ice Beam and dealing a 2HKO or pumping attack and speed higher.

devilicious July 17th, 2008 1:51 AM

IVs are Individual Values. Every Pokémon has an IV addressed to one of its stats [HP, Atk, Def, Sp. Atk, Sp. Def, Speed] and that IV ranges from 0 to 31, and each IV point increases a Pokémon's stat by one.

So, for example, let's say you have two untrained Scythers, both lvl 100 with the same nature. But one has 31 Atk IVs and the other has 2. Scyther¹ would have 28 more points of Attack than Scyther², even though they're apparently the same.

You can't change a Pokémon's IVs- they're fixed numbers. And you can't check them ingame either. You need to use an IV calculator online.

So, you ask, "how do I get good IV'd Pokémon"? And the answer is: "Breeding".
When you breed, some of the parents IVs are transfered to the outspring. So all you need is patience until you get some good IVs, then switch the parent for something newborn with better IVs, and keep doing it until you're satisfied.
[Yes, competitive Pokémon is all about incest!]

And you have a wrong concept of EVs.
You're right that every Pokémon gives them. But they add a stat gain when you reach four, not ten. There are plenty of EV Training guides out there, so just do a little research.

About Base Stats, you can check them at any Pokédex like the one on Serebii or the Smogon Analyses Index.

And those numbers you see on movesets are nothing more nothing less than the EVs.
100 Speed / 8 HP means they want that Pokémon to kill 100 Zubats and 8 Bidoofs. Or 50 Zubats and 4 Bidoofs if you're holding Macho Brace or infected by Pokérus. Or 25 Zubats and 2 Bidoofs if you're with both. You get the point.

LishaKara July 17th, 2008 2:33 AM

Hey, I assumed a question like this would go in here-- I just got Pearl today, and I want a Chimchar, but what's the overall best nature I want to get? In other words, what's the stat I should concentrate on to make it shine and which stat can I be more disregarding to? I know that the message (i.e. "likes to run") is an indicator of good IVs, so I could check that later, but I can't find a particular guide to raising its evo line. (I dunno why, I'm a sucker for super-raising my first starters and I wanna do this right XD)

airconditioning July 17th, 2008 5:12 AM

Well, it's for ingame, so anything will work.

kissing. raindrops July 17th, 2008 9:19 AM

Ohh.. I kinda get it now, thank you.. so iv and ev training are actually different, like iv is basically breeding to get the base stats you want (isn't that all effected by nature, so in sense, your breeding for the right nature?) and ev training is fighting specific pokemon that give off the stat points you want. so that means if i fight like 16 bidoof with the macho brace on then when my pokemon levels up it will have +4 hp?! because if thats true then thats a lot..
and so basically if i want my larvitar to be a very fast sweeper of some sort when im into competitive, does that mean all i have to do is fight zubat (or w.e else gives off speed) a LOT and my larvitars speed will increase by like super numbers?
kay, and is the only way to tell its base stats by going onto a website? or is there some way i can figure them out just by looking at their current stats and compare it to their level?

devilicious July 17th, 2008 9:27 AM

You can't EV train forever. A Pokémon can only have a max of 510 EV points overall, but only 255 of those points may go to a single stat. Also, they won't be added immediatly after you level up- but you'll notice the stat growth will be much bigger by the time your Pokémon reaches lvl 100.

However, 255 is not divisable by 4, so 252 is the number that gives a stat the most points. 252 Atk EVs, for example, give your Pokémon +63 Attack points. Even if it doesn't seem like a 'super number', it is indeed quite a lot!

So, for a fast sweeper, you usually go 252 Atk or Sp. Atk and 252 Speed. You'll notice that 252 + 252 = 504, when the maximum is 510. That means you can put those leftover 6 EVs on HP, for a point more that may or may not help at all, but better than just wasting it.

Also, you're getting confused again. You don't breed to get Base Stats- base stats are the base of that Pokémon's stat. The base stat won't change no matter what. What changes is the final stat- at lvl 100.

Matt-O July 17th, 2008 9:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt-O (Post 3761415)
How important is speed to Calm Tentacruel? I bred one that has good HP, Def, Sp.Def, and Sp.Att IVs but 3 Speed. Should I aim for higher or does he not really need to be quick?

Someone please answer the question.

Dark Azelf July 17th, 2008 9:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt-O (Post 3766879)
Someone please answer the question.

Doesnt need speed tbh.

On my tenta i use a significant investment in defense, to cushion Close Combats from Infernape

ala : -

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Calm nature
Trait : Liquid Ooze
204 HP / 108 DEF / 24 sp.att / 172 sp.def
- Toxic Spikes / Hidden power Electric.
- Surf
- ice beam / Sludge Bomb
- Rapid Spin / Knock off

Alternately, you can just use the standard spread of 204 HP / 96 SP.ATT / 172 SP.DEF / 36 SPEED, this is only to get to 245 speed, but seeing as yours has ass speed, dont invest speed evs.

. July 17th, 2008 10:02 AM

sims made sparked my interest in finding a reliable EV investment for the following Gardevoir set (Trace):

Gardevoir @ Leftovers
Calm
Will O Wisp
Calm Mind
Wish/Focus Blast
Psychic

Used to cushion blows (slightly) from the physical side and (nicely) from the special side. I was thinking of 252 HP/216 Def/42 SpD

airconditioning July 17th, 2008 10:13 AM

You're close, but still a little off. Also, stop using that horrible font. It makes every one of your posts look retarded.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiery`Arcanine (Post 3766813)
Ohh.. I kinda get it now, thank you.. so iv and ev training are actually different, like iv is basically breeding to get the base stats you want (isn't that all effected by nature, so in sense, your breeding for the right nature?) and ev training is fighting specific pokemon that give off the stat points you want. so that means if i fight like 16 bidoof with the macho brace on then when my pokemon levels up it will have +4 hp?! because if thats true then thats a lot..

Not exactly. For starters, you can't 'train' IVs. They're determined randomly (for the most part) at birth. It takes a lot of luck and determination to get a good-IV'd Pokemon.

Base Stats are something that are set in stone for all Pokemon, before they're even born. For example, a Lucario will always have 90 base Speed, a Tyranitar will always have 130 base Atk, and Arceus will always have 120 base everything. Keep in mind that these base stats are really more like guidelines- with Natures, IVs, and EVs, there is a large range of possible stats that can finally result.

Natures are completely seperate from IVs. Natures modify a stat on a whole (for example, Jolly increases Speed by 10%, Modest increases Special Attack by 10%, and Bold increases Defense by 10%). IVs are values that increase a stat (for every IV point, a stat will be increases by 1 point (before Natures are calculated)). Note that the bonus in IVs is given ON THE WAY to level 100. That means a 30 in Atk will have a bonus of 30 points at level 100, but only a 15 point bonus at level 50, and only a 6 point bonus at level 20 (assuming Neutral nature). EVs are calculated the same way- 16 Bidoofs will give a +4 bonus to HP, but only at level 100- it would be a +2 bonus at level 50, and a +1 bonus at level 25.

Also note that as Deviruchi said, there's a limit to how many EVs you can plug into a stat (and in total).

For more information, read the Compiled Guides (which I should have just linked to in the first place).

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and so basically if i want my larvitar to be a very fast sweeper of some sort when im into competitive, does that mean all i have to do is fight zubat (or w.e else gives off speed) a LOT and my larvitars speed will increase by like super numbers?
Yes. That doesn't mean it'll save Larvitar from being slow as hell, though. :/

Quote:

kay, and is the only way to tell its base stats by going onto a website? or is there some way i can figure them out just by looking at their current stats and compare it to their level?
There are WAY too many factors affecting a stat for that to be possible. Just look at Serebii's Pokedex for all the information you could need.

kissing. raindrops July 17th, 2008 10:46 AM

I see.. well i get everything except I'm still kinda confused about IV's -.-
so let me get this straight. every pokemon is born with a pre determined set if IVs; a certain number of IV's for each stat. What I'm still confused about is what the difference is between IV's and base stats.. I know that base stats are the stats that a Pokemon already has before you train it. But what's all this IV's are one point which increases ____stat by one thing about? Plus, how do I know what is a good number range for a certain IV?

and another question.. One vitamin drink is supposed to give the Pokemon +10 in the specific stat.. but usually that Pokemon only gains +1 on the stat... so like if it was 39, it would only go up to 40.. rarely it goes up to 41.. shouldn't the stat be increasing by 2's if your giving your Pokemon a vitamin since 4 EV's = 1 stat up?

devilicious July 17th, 2008 10:52 AM

Base Stats aren't 'the stats a Pokémon has before you train it'. Those are its actual stats. Base Stats are just numerical values the game uses to generate how big or short that stat is. Like, Alakazam has low attack no matter what you do because its Base Attack Stat is low. And Base Stats are common to all Pokémon of that species.

IVs are a number that is pretermined for each stat on every Pokémon. Even if your Alakazam has low base attack, you may notice it may have more Attack than your friend's Alakazam, even if they have the same nature and are at the same level, untrained. Why? Because your has a higher IV.

Also, the vitamins don't add the +2 points immediatly because EVs don't take effect immediatly. You'll only get -true- results on lvl 100.

kissing. raindrops July 17th, 2008 11:03 AM

Wow, this makes so much more sense, thank you Deviruchi. And thank you airconditioning for that link, I just read through all that and it was super helpful. Now I get what IV's and EV's are.

Outlawed July 17th, 2008 11:09 AM

I need a reliable, different DD Mence Set. I want it to outspeed Scarfchomp after 1 DD, hence a jolly nature with 168 speed ev's. Need help on moveset and other ev's.

sims796 July 17th, 2008 11:44 AM

I was looking at one of mah favorite water type, Dewgong. How's this

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Calm
Ice Beam
Surf
Rest
Rain Dance/Signal Beam
EV:252 HP, 216 Sp.Def, 40 Sp.Atk

Trying to abuse Hydration.

devilicious July 17th, 2008 12:04 PM

I wouldn't put much faith in Dewgong's Sp. Atk. 70 base is too below average to be efficient, and I'd rather use Phione for an attacking Hydration set due to Grass Knot offering superior coverage on UU than Ice Beam.

I'd go with
Dewgong @ Damp Rock
252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm
- Rain Dance
- Encore
- Surf
- Rest

At least now you're different from Phione. Encore is such an awesome move, and still utilizes Hydration very well.

ABYAY July 17th, 2008 12:15 PM

Outlawed, Outspeeding ScarfChomp after a DD with Salamence is impossible unless it runs Adamant. In that case, you need 304 speed, so that's Jolly nature on Salamence with...164 speed EVs. You'll lose a lot of power with this, but if it's what you're seeking, go for it. However, if it's a ScarfChomp running a Jolly nature, there's nothing you can do to outspeed it. Fortunately at that point, it lacks a lot of power.

sims796 July 17th, 2008 12:41 PM

Now, I have another Rain Dance set, so I can sacrifice Rain Dance for something else, right?

kissing. raindrops July 18th, 2008 10:41 AM

I have another question.. I have already EV trained my level 16 Larvitar for speed.. and it has 252 Speed EVs. Now I'm going for the attack and I'm going to get 252 EVs of attack, then 6 of whatever else I feel like.

But after all that EV training, what will happen to the EVs that I gain from battles afterwards? Does my Larvitar just not gain anymore EVs and stick with the ones that it first gained or what? Thanks in advance.

sims796 July 18th, 2008 10:46 AM

Yes. After you hit the 510mmark, you will no longer gain EVs. Feel free to give it a Lucky Egg & level up like crazy. I like to use my fully EVtrained pokes to make me some munniez.

kissing. raindrops July 18th, 2008 10:49 AM

That's a relief:nervous:.. It's my first time training for EVs, and it's hard to keep track of all those numbers.. 0_0

And my Larvitar's traded from my sister's game, so I get the trade boost=P.

sims796 July 18th, 2008 10:51 AM

Make sure to write down the EV's you gain. I use a stem & leaf chart.

moments. July 18th, 2008 3:55 PM

Not sure if this belongs here but can you do UU battles on Shoddy?
I have tried to figure it out but I cannot find it...
Do I need to arrange a UU battle to do it?

kissing. raindrops July 18th, 2008 10:27 PM

Yes I did remember to keep track of the numbers -- with my counter app! and I FINALLY DID IT =D one 252 SPEED, 252 ATTACK, 6 HP ed LARVITAR IS BORN :rambo:!

I am so so happy.. =] First EVed pokemon EVER.. took me the whole day though. Phew.

SmashGood July 19th, 2008 1:26 AM

Had a question about Endure. Would it be viable for double battles? I do not know the mechanics behind it to where if it would only protect you from one blast from the foe, and then get struck down by a second blast, possibly by the foe's partner, in the same turn? Or would it just keep the Poke at 1HP that whole turn?

EDIT:
Awesome, thank you Kuggles and Aquilae.

moments. July 19th, 2008 1:44 AM

That is actually quite a good question SmashGood.
I would assume that it could be taken down by the next foes attack. After all the Pokemon Endures the "hit" not hits.
Never tried but I would guess that..

Aquilae July 19th, 2008 3:33 AM

It would only protect you from one hit, just like Focus Sash.

sims796 July 19th, 2008 3:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiery`Arcanine (Post 3771940)
Yes I did remember to keep track of the numbers -- with my counter app! and I FINALLY DID IT =D one 252 SPEED, 252 ATTACK, 6 HP ed LARVITAR IS BORN :rambo:!

I am so so happy.. =] First EVed pokemon EVER.. took me the whole day though. Phew.

It's actually much easier than you think. When I give a damn, it only takes me an hour or two of pure boredom. First off, do you have the Power items (Power anklet, Power Bracer, etc)? do you have spreadable Pokerus? Good. If you have those two, than it's all about knowing what trainer to battle. For instance, with the right Power item & Pokerus, the Fisherman Andrew, whose on Route 222, at the far left, next to Sunnyshore city, has two Gyarados, meaning 24 EVs in attack altogether. Cowgirl Shelly, who is RIGHT BELOW Solcaceon town, has five ultra strong Bidoof, at level 14-16. Meaning 5 EVs altogether, and with Pokerus & the power item, 50. Just know where to go.

Lalapizzame July 19th, 2008 9:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuggles (Post 3771009)
Not sure if this belongs here but can you do UU battles on Shoddy?
I have tried to figure it out but I cannot find it...
Do I need to arrange a UU battle to do it?

The Shoddy server of Smogon has a UU ladder, maybe you could try there. :)

moments. July 20th, 2008 12:33 AM

I have looked there and never found anyone online..
What's more is I don't know how to join that ladder...
But using UU is fun in OU battles because no-one expects it.. =P

Matt-O July 20th, 2008 12:16 PM

I'm breeding some Duskulls that I'm eventually going to use as a Physical wall/spin blocker. The best one had awesome (for me) HP, Att, and Def, but its Sp.Def is 8. Should I go for higher or will that be okay?

SmashGood July 20th, 2008 10:45 PM

Of course higher SDef would help, but I really do not think it will effect him to much. Especially being your Physical Wall. Then again, this is coming from a trainer who does not see it as worthy spent time to IV breed for ages. My method, I get 6 babies with the right nature and egg moves, then pick one with the IVs I like the most from the lot.

But if you are wondering if the 31 IVs would save you from a certain attack, I cannot help you there as I have no clue.


I also have a question of my own. Does anyone know of a website or tool that would help list to all the Little Cup legal attendees?

moments. July 20th, 2008 10:47 PM

Definately go for a higher Sp Def..
You want high in HP / Def / SpDef and maybe Attack...

Supreme Dirt July 21st, 2008 7:16 AM

Alrighty, I've now got 3 symbols in my Emerald version, making it so much easier to get battle points to get the Move Tutor moves.

My question : What moves are competitively viable on what Pokemon?
I was thinking Ice Punch on Dragonite and Totodile, and Elemental Punches on various other Pokemon.

Ideas?

airconditioning July 21st, 2008 7:38 AM

It varies from Pokemon to Pokemon. Dragonite prefers Fire Punch over Ice Punch, otherwise Steels murder him. And he can learn Fire Punch normally. Gatr loves Ice Punch, though.

There's not many other Pokemon that need those moves. Blissey loves her Seismic Toss, though.

sims796 July 21st, 2008 12:59 PM

After getting through an IV check, I got this from one of my Eevee.

Eevee
Impish

HP:26
ATK:26
DEF:31
SP.ATK:x
SP.DEF:14
SPE:25

I'm planning on making it a Leafeon. I don't have time at all to breed, so if I had to settle, is this good? For another cheap shot at airconditioning, he had to rebreed because he got a wall with 23 HP, which is poor. I'd like to at least shoot for >25 in HP. As I said, I don't have time to really breed, so would this be good?

BTW, he will NOT be an SDpasser. So speed isn't most important. I wanted it to be in the twenties, however.

Ayano Katagiri July 21st, 2008 8:58 PM

Looking to fill the last move on my Lucario, what has better coverage: Shadow Ball or Dark Pulse?

The other three moves on it are Aura Sphere, HP Ice and Dragon Pulse.


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