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shanecdavis October 19th, 2008 8:59 PM

Answers in bold:
Quote:

Originally Posted by groudonlover (Post 4050578)
Ok... Some Questions about EV-Training:
1. A Pokemon Like Graveler gives 2 EV's, do i just have to Defeat 2 of them to get an EV then, or do i need the usual 4, but get 2 points?
EVERY TIME you battle a Graveler, ALL Pokemon involved in the battle (including those that didn't but were holding the Exp Share) will receive 2 Def EVs. The only exception is if said Pokemon had already accumulated 254 or 255 Def EV points, then it would only get one.
2. If i defeat an Aron, then go up some levels on Zubats, then defeat 3 more Arons, would i get the Aron-ev still?
Yes. Again, every time you battle a Pokemon, you are immediately awarded the specific EV value of that Pokemon.
3. If my Pokemon go up a level after the 3rd Pokeon i defeat, and then i defeat one more, would i still get that EV on the next level?
It doesn't matter what level you are or if you level up in between battles, you will still get the proper EV points until you reach the 255 limit.
4. If a Ditto Transforms, would i get Ditto's EV's or the Pokemon it Transform-ed into's EV's?
Transform has NO EFFECT on the EVs that you receive from Ditto. It will be same regardless.

Great questions. Keep it up.

Angelic Diablo October 19th, 2008 10:07 PM

Meh chainchomp fails once it's figured out, SD Yache is so much more potent.

[email protected] Berry
Jolly Nature
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
-Swords Dance
-Dragon Claw/Outrage
-Earthquake
-Substitute/Fire Fang

This thing kills, Chainchomp relies on the surprise factor, then basically fails.

World King October 19th, 2008 10:14 PM

Now THAT's one of the reasons I hated those Chomps. Thank you, Smogon!

F-F-Franklin October 20th, 2008 7:42 AM

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Originally Posted by shanecdavis (Post 4051851)
Answers in bold:

Great questions. Keep it up.

Yup, basically what he said. Ditto will always give HP evs.

groudonlover October 20th, 2008 11:33 AM

But i still don't get the answer on Q1...
Can i battle 2 graveler's to get a Def-point, or do i still need to battle 4, but get 2 Def instead of 1?
And if you can, can you then battle 2x Geodude and 1x Graveler to get that EV?

DarkTyphlosion157 October 20th, 2008 11:36 AM

Once again, I beg the question. When one set has no single counter, why use any other set if its purely for competitive?

Does Blissey counter Shaymin-S?

Aurafire October 20th, 2008 12:01 PM

It depends on the situation. Blissey can't come in on a subbed Skymin's Seed Flare and expect to last for a very long time, especially with the Sp Defense reduction. Even if it fires back with Ice Beam or Seismic Toss, Skymin still get's another Seed Flare in after the sub is broken. Now you have Blissey below 50% with it's special defense in the dumps and Skymin has another Seed Flare loaded and ready to go.

Blissey can usually survive one Seed Flare and pose an immediate thread with Thunder Wave or Ice Beam. Scarftran is a better counter overall with it's double resistance to it's main stab.

Postman October 20th, 2008 12:03 PM

Most Skymin are subseed which completely counters Blissey's chances of countering Skymin.

Dark Azelf October 20th, 2008 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanye West (Post 4053290)
Most Skymin are subseed which completely counters Blissey.

Pretty much and if blissey doesnt get haxed to death.


With choice sets and sub + 3 attack sets Blissey is fine. Unless you get haxed uberly.


As for Garchomp its all a matter of need

SD Yache Chomp and CB Chomp may have no efficient counter but the team may require a revenge killer in which case Scarf Chomp becomes the option for you. So its pretty much what "niche" you want filled on your team. Just because one/two sets has no counters it doesnt mean his other sets are "lol im not considering this".

Ninja Caterpie October 20th, 2008 2:08 PM

The Graveler will give 2 Def EVs. You need 4 Def. EVs to get one higher defence. Kill two Gravelers and you get 4 Def EVs. That means you get one extra Def point. Understand?

For the next question:
Geodude = 1
Geodude = 1
Graveler = 2
Total = 4
Then you get an extra point.

It works that way. At level 100, all of your EVs will be totalled, divided by four and that amount will be added to their respective stats.

Go to Serebii.net and find the EV guide in the Game Mechanics section. It'll help a lot.

The Hero Without a Name October 20th, 2008 2:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurafire (Post 4053282)
Blissey can usually survive one Seed Flare and pose an immediate thread with Thunder Wave or Ice Beam. Scarftran is a better counter overall with it's double resistance to it's main stab.

But isn't Scarftran pretty screwed if it switches into an Earth Power...?

Aurafire October 20th, 2008 2:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabian the Fastman (Post 4053808)
But isn't Scarftran pretty screwed if it switches into an Earth Power...?

Sure...there's risk when switching anything in. Obviously if you predict an earth power coming you don't send him in.

The Hero Without a Name October 20th, 2008 3:02 PM

But a counter's a Poke that can come in with little risk and force the Pokemon inside out.

If there's a real risk that it'll get OHKO'd, then Scarftran isn't really a counter; he's more of a revenge killer.

Azonic October 20th, 2008 3:13 PM

Fabian said it. Counters =/= Prediction. Counters are Pokemon that can switch in safely into another Pokemon with little to no risk. This is why Garchomp had no counters. I mean, if Counters relate to Prediction, then Garchomp would have tons of counters. If you predict an Earthquake, and a Flying Pokemon can switch in (counter?).

Prediction is still a key element in competitive battling. But what matters here is the fact that Skymin has counters or not. So take prediction out of this subject.

Skymin still has no counters.

Lalapizzame October 20th, 2008 4:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by groudonlover (Post 4050578)
Ok... Some Questions about EV-Training:
1. A Pokemon Like Graveler gives 2 EV's, do i just have to Defeat 2 of them to get an EV then, or do i need the usual 4, but get 2 points?
2. If i defeat an Aron, then go up some levels on Zubats, then defeat 3 more Arons, would i get the Aron-ev still?
3. If my Pokemon go up a level after the 3rd Pokeon i defeat, and then i defeat one more, would i still get that EV on the next level?
4. If a Ditto Transforms, would i get Ditto's EV's or the Pokemon it Transform-ed into's EV's?

1. If you were to defeat one Graveler, you would get 2 EV points.
2. As for Aron and Zubat, you harvest both of their EVs.
3. You get all 4 of the Poke's EVs, if what I'm thinking of is what you're indeed asking.
4. I'm pretty confident you would get Ditto's EVs, but not sure about this, sorry.

Mages4ever October 20th, 2008 4:50 PM

If you still don't get 1 then...

Let's say you need 1 extra defence EV point, so if you killed 2 Gravallers then you would get....

Gravaler 2
+ Gravaler 2
____________
EVs 4

1 extra point.

Detox October 20th, 2008 6:13 PM

Hold up..i has a good question....cant a weavile with a focus sash switch in on a garchomps attack and safley ko it with ice punch next turn? isnt that techniqley a counter?

Postman October 20th, 2008 6:19 PM

You can't rely on focus sash Weavile because of Stealth Rocks, Toxic Spikes, Spikes, and Sandstorm.
Also if Garchomp is holding Yache Berry, which it usually is, It won't be getting more then 60% off of Garchomp.

And if Garchomp decides to switch, your left at 1% HP meaning anything will kill you and Garchomp is still a problem, and I do know that forcing a Pokemon to switch is also counted as a counter but in this case I do not see it fit.

Detox October 20th, 2008 6:21 PM

Oh yes...i forgot about those factors....

Postman October 20th, 2008 6:22 PM

Not sure if you saw this, since I just edited it in.

Quote:

And if Garchomp decides to switch, your left at 1% HP meaning anything will kill you and Garchomp is still a problem, and I do know that forcing a Pokemon to switch is also counted as a counter but in this case I do not see it fit.

Detox October 20th, 2008 6:25 PM

What about...rival garchomps? ...... okay,that sounded stupid....

Postman October 20th, 2008 6:26 PM

Garchomp is weak to Garchomp >_<
Which doesn't really make it a counter =P

Detox October 20th, 2008 6:29 PM

What about um...regirock? it has a pretty good def stat...

Aurafire October 20th, 2008 6:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomSyndrome (Post 4054417)
What about um...regirock? it has a pretty good def stat...

It gets destroyed by earthquake, especially on a SD set. It can't threaten with anything besides Ice Punch, and standard Yachechomp will 2HKO.

luke October 20th, 2008 6:47 PM

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